probablewitch Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Hi everyone! Not sure if anyone might be able to help me with this. It's not game-breaking - more a matter of curiosity at this point. Thanks in advance! I'm hoping someone can help me with a problem I've been having. My current installation of Oblivion seems to be fairly stable with only occasional CTDs, but I've noticed a repeat offender when I go back and check the Message Logger logs. This has happened under numerous load orders with various mods, but I haven't managed to narrow down a culprit. Despite the fact that it's LOD related (apparently?), this also happens transitioning into interior cells with the same CTD issue. Why is the game looking for LOD as I'm stepping into The Copious Coinpurse? No idea. All I know is that it resolves if I delete the LOD folder and resumes whenever it's rebuilt. TL;DR of it all is that 9/10 CTDs I'm getting are immediately preceded by this same sort of message: worldspace 'Tamriel'2021/10/29 23:02:26 [004F3313] [ DEBUG ] Expression Error: SYNTAX (on a few occasions it's also said "worldspace 'Tamriel2'" - which is even stranger) I've searched through TES4Edit (and Google) and 004F3313 doesn't seem to match any IDs I can find. Is there somewhere else I should be looking? What is a SYNTAX error, and how would I go about fixing it? Here is my (admittedly hefty) current load order: 0 0 Oblivion.esm 1 1 Marriage.esm 2 2 Better Cities Resources.esm 3 3 TR_OoT_Main.esm 4 4 SettlementsOfCyrodiil.esm 5 5 All Natural Base.esm 6 6 bookplacing.esm 7 7 CustomSpellIcons.esm 8 8 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp 9 9 UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp 10 a DLCShiveringIsles.esp 11 b Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp 12 c Better Cities .esp 13 d DLCHorseArmor.esp 14 e DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp 15 f DLCOrrery.esp 16 10 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp 17 11 DLCVileLair.esp 18 12 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp 19 13 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp 20 14 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp 21 15 DLCSpellTomes.esp DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp 22 16 DLCThievesDen.esp 23 17 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp 24 18 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp 25 19 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp 26 1a DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp 27 1b DLCFrostcrag.esp 28 1c DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp 29 1d Knights.esp 30 1e Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp 31 1f All Natural - Real Lights.esp 32 20 MECHANICS.esp 33 21 Topal Island & Safe Water.esp 34 22 HoarfrostCastle.esp 35 23 Darkbrotherhood.esp 36 24 Storms & Sound.esp 37 25 DLCFrostcragReborn.esp 38 26 Oblivion_Character_Overhaul.esp 39 27 P1DseeYouSleep.esp 40 28 Update My Statue.esp 41 29 P1DseeYouSleep - DLCVileLair.esp 42 2a AESTHETICS.esp 43 2b MTCExpandedVillages.esp 44 2c Lilyvale.esp 45 2d All Natural.esp 46 2e NPC Overhaul.esp 47 2f NPC Overhaul - KotN.esp 48 30 Kvatch Rebuilt.esp 49 31 The Lost Spires.esp 50 32 Region Revive - Lake Rumare.esp 51 33 AFK_Weye.esp 52 34 AFKWeye_MTC_RRLRumarePatch.esp 53 35 Oblivion Content Restoration Project.esp 54 36 All Natural - SI.esp 55 37 EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp 56 38 Oranstad.esp 57 39 Suliin V1.2.esp 58 3a MTCThievesGrottoV4.1.esp 59 3b Shadowcrest_Vineyard.esp 60 3c Highwood.esp 61 3d Roads of Cyrodiil.esp 62 3e Faregyl.esp 63 3f BeldaElysium.esp 64 40 runestone.esp 65 41 Better Benirus Manor.esp 66 42 BeldaElysiumRevisited.esp 67 43 Travelers of Cyrodiil.esp 68 44 RoadLights.esp 69 45 WhiteRoseFarm.esp 70 46 SilverfishFalls.esp 71 47 ClearwaterFarms.esp 72 48 BrinaCrossVillage.esp 73 49 JDNT_Brina Cross.esp 74 4a BrinaCrossVillages.esp 75 4b BravilSeaDomes.esp 76 4c LegionOutposts.esp 77 4d Alnwick.esp 78 4e Ancient Dwemer Ruins.esp 79 4f Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary.esp 80 50 SOC-RegionalFarms.esp 81 51 WhiteRoseEstate.esp 82 52 Immersive Interiors.esp 83 53 Immersive Interiors - Imperial City.esp 84 54 Milewood.esp 85 55 0WeynonPrioryAlive.esp BDBS - See You Sleep Patch.esp 86 56 Better Benirus Manor - RL Patch.esp Better Benirus Manor - SYS Patch.esp 87 57 Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp 88 58 BDBS - Whispered Warning Patch.esp 89 59 24HrArenaAliveLow.esp 90 5a MagesCross.esp HoarfrostCastle-RunestoneVillage Patch.esp 91 5b Falling Leaves.esp 92 5c Vergayun.esp 93 5d Feldscar.esp 94 5e Amen'thalas.esp 95 5f Better Cities Chorrol - Immersive Interiors.esp 96 60 tbskGuardsFeatures.esp 97 61 Immersive Interiors - Bravil.esp 98 62 Devastation of Kvatch Redux.esp 99 63 Hunter Mod.esp100 64 Gottshaw Village.esp101 65 Urasek.esp102 66 xulImperialCitySewerExits.esp103 67 OldCrowInn.esp104 68 EM_RedRoseManor.esp105 69 Snowspring Lodge.esp Oblivion DLC Delayers.esp106 6a AleswellHomeQuest.esp107 6b Reedstand.esp108 6c Amen'thalas - AN Patch.esp Amen'thalas - SYS Patch.esp109 6d BrumaMGRestored.esp Oblivion Content Restoration Project -- Knights.esp110 6e EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp111 6f Harvest [Flora].esp Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp112 70 Auto Update Leveled Items And Spells.esp113 71 Storms & Sound - Better Cities.esp114 72 Storms & Sound - AFK_Weye.esp115 73 Storms & Sound - The Lost Spires.esp OCO DLC Faces.esp All Natural Real Lights - Better Cities IC Patch.esp116 74 AncientTowers.esp117 75 Pells Gate Cottage.esp ROC+Shadowcrest Vineyard Patch.esp118 76 WickmereFarm.esp119 77 Suliin-BC6 Patch.esp120 78 RescueMenien.esp121 79 Slof's Horses Base.esp MTCVillages-FaregylPatch.esp122 7a TopalIsland.esp123 7b Shadowcrest_Vineyard_Guard.esp124 7c Better Waterfront House.esp125 7d MTC-Oranstad Patch.esp126 7e EMLeyawiinhouse.esp Highwood-MagesCross Patch.esp127 7f JolardHome.esp128 80 TR_Stirk.esp129 81 Populated Prisons.esp130 82 ImpeREAL Empire Unique Cities - Sutch.esp131 83 Colovian Barrow Mounds.esp ROC+Lilyvale Patch.esp132 84 EM_Cheydinhalhouse1.esp133 85 Molapi.esp Hoarfrost-Lilyvale Patch.esp134 86 allinonebasement.esp135 87 County Gates.esp136 88 Water's Edge Reborn.esp137 89 Museum.esp138 8a LakesideHome.esp MTCVillages-LostSpiresPatch.esp ROC+Highwood Patch.esp139 8b Niben Bay Camp.esp ROC+RR Patch.esp140 8c Amajor7 Imperial Furniture.esp141 8d BrumaMGRestored-Frostcrag.esp Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp142 8e EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp143 8f Storms & Sound - Amajor7 Imperial Furniture.esp144 90 The Imperial Water.esp145 91 The Imperial Water - BETTER CITIES.esp146 92 Whispered Warning.esp BDBS - Brighter Interiors.esp147 93 BDBS - Chapel Memorial.esp Better Cities - Storms & Sound.esp Minimalistic Vampire Overhaul.esp148 94 The Lost Spires - Cleaned Up Scribe.esp149 95 maAndarenCottage.esp150 96 A Dog for Bhisha.esp151 97 maTheRedQueenTavern.esp152 98 LINK.esp Baurus tweak.esp OCO_Eyes_Fix.esp153 99 OBGE - Liquid Water.esp lLet there be Flowers.esp Oblivion Character Overhaul Hair Edition.esp154 9a GOSH.esp ROC Standard Road Record.esp Revised_SI_Waters_v1.0.esp [sR] Khats & Args.esp155 9b WindowLightingSystem.esp156 9c Unique Landscapes.esp157 9d xuldarkforest.esp ULE LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp158 9e xulStendarrValley.esp159 9f xulTheHeath.esp160 a0 xulEntiusGorge.esp161 a1 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp ULE LostSpires-FallenleafEverglade patch.esp162 a2 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp163 a3 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp164 a4 Castle_Seaview.esp165 a5 Sutch Village.esp166 a6 SutchUnificationPatch.esp ULS SutchVillage-LostCoast patch.esp167 a7 ULS CastleSeaview-LostCoast patch.esp168 a8 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp169 a9 xulLushWoodlands.esp ULS HoarfrostCastle-LushWoodlands patch.esp ULE Clearwater-LushWoodlands patch.esp170 aa xulAncientYews.esp171 ab xulAncientRedwoods.esp172 ac ULS MTCExpandedVillages-Oranstad-AncientRedwoods patch.esp ROC+Ancient Redwoods.esp173 ad xulCloudtopMountains.esp174 ae xulArriusCreek.esp175 af xulPatch_AY_AC.esp176 b0 xulRollingHills_EV.esp177 b1 ULS BeldaElysium-RollingHills patch.esp178 b2 xulPantherRiver.esp179 b3 bartholm.esp180 b4 Storms & Sound - Bartholm.esp181 b5 xulRiverEthe.esp182 b6 xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp183 b7 xulImperialIsle.esp184 b8 ULS RegionReviveLakeRumare-ImperialIsle patch.esp UL Imperial Isle NH Museum Patch.esp185 b9 xulBlackwoodForest.esp186 ba xulCheydinhalFalls.esp ULE KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp187 bb xulAspenWood.esp ULS Alnwick-AspenWood patch.esp188 bc xulSnowdale.esp189 bd Pelinal Abbey.esp Feldscar+Snowdale+Pelinal Abbey Patch.esp190 be ULS Feldscar-Snowdale patch.esp191 bf Frostcrag Village.esp DLCFrostcrag Reborn - Frostcrag Village Patch.esp192 c0 ULS FrostcragReborn-Snowdale patch.esp193 c1 xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp194 c2 xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp195 c3 ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp196 c4 BrinaCrossConsolidated.esp197 c5 ULS SilverfishFalls-SilverfishRiverValley patch.esp ULS ImpeREALForts-LostSpires-SilverfishRiverValley patch.esp Brina Cross Village--Unique Forts Patch.esp198 c6 ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts - Slofs Horses - By Xtudo.esp199 c7 xulJerallGlacier.esp ULE AgainstTheZealotsOfTheNine-JerallGlacier patch.esp200 c8 xulTheEasternPeaks.esp201 c9 ULS MTCThievesGrotto-UniqueLandscapes merged patch.esp202 ca xulSkingradOutskirts.esp ROC+UL Skingrad Outskirts Patch.esp ULE Oranstad-SkingradOutskirts patch.esp203 cb Better Cities Full.esp204 cc Better Cities - All Natural.esp205 cd xulChorrolHinterland-BC6.esp206 ce ULS BetterCitiesSkingrad-SkingradOutskirts patch.esp ULS BetterCitiesBravil-BravilBarrowfields patch.esp207 cf Better Cities Chorrol - Knights of the Nine.esp208 d0 ULS BetterCitiesCheydinhal-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp209 d1 ULS LegionOutposts-BetterCitiesFull-BlackwoodForest patch.esp210 d2 RegionalFarms-BC6 Patch.esp ULS BetterCitiesBruma-Snowdale patch.esp211 d3 Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp ULE BetterCitiesBravil-PantherRiver patch.esp Better Cities - Leyawiin Flooded.esp212 d4 Better Cities - IC Imperial Isle.esp213 d5 Better Imperial City.esp All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp214 d6 Bashed Patch, 0.esp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanR Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Syntax error means that script command couldn't be executed for some reason, so that 004f3313 would be ID form of the script. But it's strange, because the highest byte points to Oblivion's esm itself and after I looked into it with CS, I couldn't find the script under this form either (but I'm still playing vanilla Oblivion, without DLCs). You propably must search other mods for this ID and try to recompile this script. On other hand it's also possible that this message is some false lead, for what kind of script could want with LOD (except to set some settings)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyasdfgh Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 In this context, 004F3313 is not a FormID, it's some sort of internal code reported by MessageLogger.Syntax errors in scripts generally don't cause game crashes, they simply stop this script's execution.Just because this is the last message in the log, does not mean it has any relation to the cause of the crash (especially considering that it's labeled as 'debug' message, and nor error\warning). Honestly, I find MessageLogger to be rather useless in diagnosing CTDs at all (it could be useful for finding some other issues though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellape Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 It seems one mesh was broken in that LOD folder, if the problem got resolved when you deleted it. If you still have that folder available and moved it instead of deleting it, you might wanna load the meshes with Nifskope, and save them from it as Nifskope is able to correct minor faults in a mesh, well rebuild it and when you save it, it is fresh as new. I bet there where plenty of files there? You can also generate new LODS of course but if you do not need them... Well problem solved... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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