Canon and fair-play

[Solon]

I was wondering: What on earth is wrong with the Fallout 3 community?

 

95% of the mods are extremely counter-canon and most of the topics are EITHER about mods that are counter-canon OR about cheats (or mods with cheats). Some of you may really like the fallout games and managed to play the (fairly easy) game without cheating on way or the other, but for the rest:

 

Whats wrong with you? Did you even play fallout 3 before making a post on site's or make a mod? (Sorry frustration moment about all the cheat topics and idiot-mods made by people who clearly never played fallout)

[JimboUK]

I was wondering: What on earth is wrong with the Fallout 3 community?

 

95% of the mods are extremely counter-canon and most of the topics are EITHER about mods that are counter-canon OR about cheats (or mods with cheats). Some of you may really like the fallout games and managed to play the (fairly easy) game without cheating on way or the other, but for the rest:

 

Whats wrong with you? Did you even play fallout 3 before making a post on site's or make a mod? (Sorry frustration moment about all the cheat topics and idiot-mods made by people who clearly never played fallout)

 

Downloading these mods isn't compulsory and your not getting charged for them so what's the problem? if people want to make mods that aren't canon then that's up to them, no one has the right to dictate to others what they can or cannot do to their game or what they share with others. Games are supposed to be fun, if someone gets more enjoyment out of the game using overpowered items or non canon stuff then good luck to them.

[Solon]

Im not saying nor implying that people should not be allowed to make or download mods that are non-canon or plain cheating, Im just saying that people who do are just plain insane.

 

Fallout is a very very cool world, probably one of the most fun game-worlds ever created. A post-apocalyptic world, with complete freedom and with a heavy 50' vibe to it. When you cheat or use mods that very much destroys this world, you are destroying your own gameplay. Its really really insane to buy a game and that putting loads effort into destroying the whole game.

 

I mean, I can give you 100+ mods links (all well writen) that give's you an army, a town, a weapon that can one-shot anything or one that expend your home with a console that makes you a god. I can give you a lot less with a decent quest line in it, one that equally BUILDS on the game and tries to make it more fun.

 

Ofcourse, kuddo's for the writers and the members who do exualy wants to make the game better, more fun or more beautiful, but I find it a bit shocking to see that those members are extremely outnumbered.

[JimboUK]

Im not saying nor implying that people should not be allowed to make or download mods that are non-canon or plain cheating, Im just saying that people who do are just plain insane.

 

Fallout is a very very cool world, probably one of the most fun game-worlds ever created. A post-apocalyptic world, with complete freedom and with a heavy 50' vibe to it. When you cheat or use mods that very much destroys this world, you are destroying your own gameplay. Its really really insane to buy a game and that putting loads effort into destroying the whole game.

 

I mean, I can give you 100+ mods links (all well writen) that give's you an army, a town, a weapon that can one-shot anything or one that expend your home with a console that makes you a god. I can give you a lot less with a decent quest line in it, one that equally BUILDS on the game and tries to make it more fun.

 

Ofcourse, kuddo's for the writers and the members who do exualy wants to make the game better, more fun or more beautiful, but I find it a bit shocking to see that those members are extremely outnumbered.

 

Idiot mods? insane? not everyone likes the same things, it would be a very boring world if we all did. If someone wants to make an assault rifle that fires 10 nukes a second then that's up to them, if they want to share it then kudos to them for thinking of other people. If someone wants to put clown shoes and a pair or deely boppers on their character and give other people the chance to do the same why should it bother you? Tag stuff that's canon, the tags make finding what you want a lot easier. Just because someone isn't as impressed with the vanilla game as you are doesn't make them insane. Anyway who's going to make all this canon stuff? surely your not suggesting people stop making the stuff they want to so they get on with making stuff for you.

[Ihoe]

Whats your purpose of making this topic?

It can't change anything because this is a "Free" and "Democratic" Modding community, and uploading such files has to be blamed on uploader not the whole community...

 

LOL, planet fallout is more organized but still, it has a poor amount of mods...hehehe...

[Brianide]

[...] and uploading such files has to be blamed on uploader not the whole community...

If the community downloads and popularizes such files, then yes, one absolutely could blame the community.

 

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the OP, though. The majority of mods, for any game, are going to be five-minute crap with minimal effort put into them; that's just the way it works. If there were less bad mods, there wouldn't necessarily be more good mods occupying the empty space, though. An abundance of bad mods doesn't indicate anything unhealthy about a game's modding community; if anything, it's at least an indication that it's still active.

 

It's not as if Fallout 3 is without any good mods that at least respect the canon. You're really making the situation sound a lot worse than it is. You mentioned that there are very few mods with a decent quest line; I'd just like to point out that it took a year and a half after Oblivion's release for Liquidgraph to grace it with The Lost Spires, and Oblivion's "lore" was a lot more accommodating to additions. Good quests take a lot of time to write, and a lot more to actually build.

[Storm Raven]

Im just saying that people who do are just plain insane.

That's your opinion.

 

I would suggest that you spend a little time reading the board, before you make similar comments.

 

After you have read few hundred topics, you will understand how statements like that one can get out of hand.

 

As for the mods, Fallout 3 is just getting started.

 

As it has been pointed out, good mods are not generally produced overnight.

 

But you have a head start because a number of some of the best Oblivion modders around, have already gotten involved in this community. Some of the finest have already produced or are in the process of producing mods for Fallout 3.

 

An old-timer wishes you well.

[Solon]

The purpose of this topic, is just a little awareness.

I see some very good scripted mods out there and some of the best textured and 3d modelled mods have more to do with a god-complex or with pure puberty. I really hope that some of the modders would use their skills and build something that is more then just reduces the games overall fun and playtime.

With all do and sincere respect to people like J3X (Enclave Commander, Chimera Tank) and arcoolka (Project Mutagen, Settler), but they could make more then just "fun" stuff with their skills. They could make something that would really last and would bring hours of cool new game play.

[Storm Raven]

I see some very good scripted mods out there and some of the best textured and 3d modelled mods have more to do with a god-complex or with pure puberty. I really hope that some of the modders would use their skills and build something that is more then just reduces the games overall fun and playtime.

With all do and sincere respect to people like J3X (Enclave Commander, Chimera Tank) and arcoolka (Project Mutagen, Settler), but they could make more then just "fun" stuff with their skills. They could make something that would really last and would bring hours of cool new game play.

 

The purpose of someone who creates mods, is to please themselves.

 

They do it for the sheer fun and enjoyment of it.

 

Certainly they do not get paid for it.

 

That they share it with you is an honor.

 

It is not our place to criticize their work.

 

If you don't like a mod. You don't have to play it.

 

Unless you have created mods yourself, you can have no idea of how much time, effort, energy, blood, sweat, and tears go into them. Or how upsetting to them, comments like these can be. They work very hard at what they do. If you believe what you are saying, then perhaps you should try walking a few miles in their shoes. It would help you to understand, why they ask, who are you to criticize them.

 

I'm sure your intentions are good, but I am afraid, not everyone will see it that way.

[Solon]

I am making a mod with friends and the more I respect people like J3X and arcoolka. From a modding point of view, they are extremely good and I salute them for it. But from a players point of view, the mods are not long-lasting fun.

 

If their mods where put into the context of the fallout 3 world and didn't unbalance the game alot, the mod's would be insanely cool. If modders like that join forces with some and make a new (bigger) mod while respecting the old fallout world, Im really sure that they can make something that equals or surpasses the fun in fallout 3. If they do not, it is our loss and no disrespect towards the talented modders. But if they choose to add something to the fallout 3 world, they would add something permanent and (imho) would get all the more respect for it.