Canon and fair-play

[PennywiseTheClown]

Personally, I don't see much of a point in debating "canon" in a game series where the player character can come across the USS Enterprise crashed and littered with red shirted ensign corpses. Stuff like finding Freddy Krueger and recruiting him as an ally makes exactly as much sense as some of the wacky things that the series has done before.

[Circuitous]

I would like to publicly recant anything I might have said that may have caused anyone any hard feelings. That was not my intention. In the last few months, we have lost several of some of the finest modders in Oblivion. In every case, it was the result of criticism of their work, usually by individuals quite new to the community, which by and large, supports the modders and their works, tooth and nail.

This is ridiculous.

 

Modders are basically getting their dicks sucked with every comment people leave on these sites, even when their work is idiotic to the point of making my ears bleed. They can do no wrong. And yet they get some flak from people whose views differ from their own and they break down.

 

If someone insults your work, you've got two basic options:

 

1. Ignore it,

2. Stop doing your work.

 

They choose to quit. That's their call, they have every right to make it, but I can safely say it's the "bad" decision of the two. They're basically picking up their toys and walking away in a fit. You know what that means? The trolls win. Rack up a victory for the good guys, drinks all around, let's have us a celebration.

 

As far as I'm concerned, if they can't stand negative criticism, they shouldn't be doing the work. It seems they agree.

 

Every time I hear about another modder getting driven out of the community, I honestly have a happy feeling about it. It bothers me a little, but I can't help but think that they weren't really cut out for the job. It always seems to be some modder whose work I've managed to completely ignore, work I'd never see as being useful or really even any good. I guess people like stupid poo, I dunno. Anyone got a list of who's been run off? I wanna see if it's still the case.

 

As for your apologies, I don't know about everyone else on "my side of the fence," but you didn't cause any hard feelings with me. That's probably the biggest difference between the two sides - we don't take offense to someone's post on a message board. I can close the browser and forget it ever happened (until I come back and reply, obviously). Nothing here is really going to stick with me, I won't be thinking about it later on. Come back, see the thread replied to, catch up and repeat the same point again until someone "gets it."

 

People have insulted my work, what little there is of it. They have their qualms with it. My tastes don't suit theirs, maybe they can't take a joke, I don't know. Does it matter, in the long run? I have more positive remarks than negative. I think what I've done is pretty good - hell, that's the only reason the public ever saw it. I was actually angry with the moderators when someone's negative remarks (with regards to lore-friendliness of my mini-nuke nerf) were deleted without me requesting it. It didn't seem fair. He/she had a right to their comment, no matter how idiotic it may be, just as I had the right to post the idiotic mod in the first place. And yes, it IS a stupid mod. I see it for what it is, a little joke/clever play on words.

 

I can only pray that someone who makes a mod where guys have forever-boners can also see how ridiculous that creation is.

 

For those of you who don't want to read the whole thing: Modders who quit are wimps, stop taking offense when every other post is someone who sees you as a God, and boners are funny no matter how seriously you take yourself.

[Skotte]

Good point Pennywise

[Solon]

Stromraven,

Like Circuitous said: no need for apologies.

Also I would like to take a moment to emphasis that my criticism toward the named modders is more a tribute to their modding skills then anything else. I would not be brothered if some kid made a mod that adds a bunker with 100 nuke's flying above magnetron.

 

But some modders make have the skill to give you the command of complete army's, build town's, ride tanks, be nude, be a spacemarine or you name it and all this a few months after the release of the G.E.C.K. A lot is wrong (imho) in fallout 3 and they have the skill to fix it and make fallout 3 the game where the mods are better then the game itself. Let us command/join army's for certain quests, build city's housing the army's ((re)building is a big part of the fallout canon), ride tanks (while not disregarding the fuel problem), visit nude bars in space and meet spacemarines (van Buren Cannon), build your own robots (but only if you nearly dedicate your SPECIAL and Perks to robot related stuff) and make fallout 3 the epic game it could and should be.

 

Ofcourse, people like Circuitous and PennywiseTheClown have a point: the Fallout Universe itself knows a lot of wacky stuff. The enterprise isn't the least of silly stuff, we have seen talking heads, a dog that lives 300 years, a UFO etc. But the story was always, and above all, about the same world with the same rules. The world sucks, its dark, its everyone for itself and trust none because they will blow your reactor up. Although wackyness IS part of the fallout universe, its always just a small part of it. It's just a little extra flavor/laugh a dark view of the future. With emphasis on the little extra. Also, the gameplay never suffered due to wackness.

[Slowhand02]

im a little angry that the average rating is 9.5 thats just dumb people our being to nice it doesnt give us a wide range of mods the rating system is a joke

Another reason for the abundance of high scores could be the fact that not everyone votes. Many people, including myself, either award mods the 9 or 10 points they feel they've deserved, or refrain from rating them at all.

 

Whatever the motive (lack of time or interest, reluctance to criticize the author, etc.), if players were required to vote on every mod they've tested I'm certain ratings would be considerably lower in average, both individually and, consequently, across the board.

 

I'm not suggesting such a policy, merely pointing out an issue which is often neglected when attempting to develop fair and balanced rating systems.

[LHammonds]

Modders are basically getting their dicks sucked with every comment people leave on these sites, even when their work is idiotic to the point of making my ears bleed. They can do no wrong. And yet they get some flak from people whose views differ from their own and they break down.

You earned Strike #1 for the vulgar use of the English language.

 

Modders who quit are wimps, stop taking offense when every other post is someone who sees you as a God, and boners are funny no matter how seriously you take yourself.

Doh! Strike #2 for flaming with a touch of trolling.

 

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LHammonds (File Admin)

[Circuitous]

No problem, I made my point. If they don't get it yet they never will.

[Relativelybest]

On the subject of cheating: I personally use a ton of console commands when I play Fallout 3. I've done so throughout most of the game and I still do. Some people on a different forum have given me some gentle ribbing over that, but to me, it's not even worth calling it cheating. This is partly because I don't consider single player gaming to be competitive in the first place, but mostly because I only use commands to enhance my gaming experience. This means that I don't godmode, or give myself enormous amounts of ammo and stimpacks, or anything like that. Not because I think there's anything wrong with that, or because I want to preserve the challenge, but simply because I don't think it would serve to make the game more fun.

 

What I'm getting to is that I think everyone has the right to decide for themselves what makes their gaming experience fun and the exact same reasoning of course applies to modding. A lot of mods are going to be silly or unbalanced or make no sense at all within the continuity, but that's just how it always goes, and it's still up to everyone to make up their own minds about what they consider to be a fun addition to their game.

 

As for canon, I don't even think that's an issue in the first place. To me, modding is kinda like an extreme form of fanfiction/fanart, per definition separate from canon. They can be made to correspond to and fit into that canon, sure, but that's not actually the point. Rather, it's just another way to explore possibilities and be creative, which is something people have always done and always will do. And thank God for that.