Random shootings in the US

[ed8020]

It's strange.

I would expect that Europeans would understand the logic behind the 2nd Amendment.

 

"2. The Queen would NEVER allow such parties to be even considered for vote."

 

tyr·an·ny (tr-n)

n. pl. tyr·an·nies

1. A government in which a single ruler is vested with absolute power.

2. The office, authority, or jurisdiction of an absolute ruler.

3. Absolute power, especially when exercised unjustly or cruelly: "I have sworn . . . eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man" Thomas Jefferson.

 

Just because it is what you have become accustomed to it doesn't make it right.

[PureSnipe]

I'm not going to continue with the debate on the 2nd amendment. I feel we've pretty much established where everyone stands on the issue.

Debating whether or not it needs to be revoked is a moot point, as it would be impractical to do such and the response would be worse than the original conditions.

 

On the shootings issue:

I think that because of the decession, as I've taken to calling it, tensions are running high.

It seems to take less to set a person over the edge than it used to, and people are starting to try and make their point.

The US isn't accustomed to killings being used to make a point.

In some other countries/regions, it's a standard.

 

A conspiracy theory I've heard:

The government is either planting people to do this (which I think is bull) and/or they've told the media to put more attention on issues revolving shootings (I wouldn't put it past some to do this) to raise more concerns on gun control and attempt to be able to pass their laws.

[ed8020]

Okay. Back to the OP then.

I disagree with the implication that the media is reporting on these crimes more than they are actually happening.

Thes ARE the times that try men's souls and many men are failing that trial.

It's a fact of life. People freak out. They do freaky things.

In theory I agree with the 2nd to last paragraph of the OP, though I would have to swap the word "When" with "IF".

That kind of speach has contributed to the fear factor and there is serious speculation whether it helped to provoke at least one of those freaks.

 

President Obama MAY TRY to get the constitution changed, though I believe this to be PURE speculation.

Reinstating a law that may be unconstitutional is not the same as changeing the constitution.

And should he try I expect him to have just as much success as the Republicans did when they pushed to.......wait for it........wait for it......Change the constitution.

[PureSnipe]

I don't doubt that there are more shootings. I know that people are more desperate than usual.

Here. Let me find an article about a cop in my area that robbed a bank.

EDIT: Having trouble finding it. It was a comical issue as for the fact he wore his police motorcycle helmet in when he robbed the bank and made it completely obvious that he was the one that did it. He robbed the bank, drove to his bank, and deposited the money.

[ed8020]

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I remeber that story.

Either that or I am thinking of a similar story.

It just goes to show that cops are people too.

Although I show them all the respect due the uniform, I have to seriously consider the sanity of anyone that wants to be a cop in todays society. I have one personal friend that was a cop for 17 years, and I have met several that I all consider to be good people and good reps of law enforcement. However there are those that join for all the wrong reasons.

There is a guy that I grew up with whom I used to call a friend (he is now the reason I have a concealed weapons permit), that while being arrested once, he screamed at the cop, " The only reason you became a cop is because guys like me picked on you in school!".

That is probably the most, if not only intelligent thing he ever said.

[PureSnipe]

I'll make one more contribution to the debate on the second amendment, as this is a text message I just received from my cousin in the USMC:

 

Gun ownership is like chemotherapy. It has it's downfalls, but if you remove it you allow the cancer to spread more rapidly.

[Vagrant0]

People don't realize one simple fact. If owning a gun became illegal in the US, there would be a good many people who would ignore this law. If the government made any attempt to seize guns from owners, it would end in a very bloody mess. Under the constitution, the right to bear arms was, as already mentioned, put in place so that citizens of the country would feel empowered to defend themselves. If people see that right being infringed upon, they will, as has been shown many times before, take up arms against anyone they see as a threat, even if this costs them their own life. Anyone who thinks that guns can be made illegal, or that the constitution can be changed to make them illegal is incredibly ignorant of this fact. Furthermore, no government agency has the kind of manpower or loyalty to enact anything like this since a task like this would likely involve the wholesale slaughter of men, women, and children, whom would have otherwise been law abiding citizens. If you don't think that some parts of the country wouldn't go to war with itself over this matter, you clearly know nothing of this issue.

 

That said, most states have gun laws requiring background checks, waiting periods, and registrations. You cannot simply walk into a normal store and buy a gun. You havn't been able to do that since the late 80's. The problem is that some states have found ways around these rules, and that often guns used for crimes are purchased illegally from other criminals. The laws exist, but they have holes, and aren't always enforced. What doesn't help is that we had someone in the White house who pretty much relaxed the laws concerning gun sales, and have had many members of our government who have been getting large payoffs from gun companies to fight any legislation which might cause problems for their business. So far as any indication has been given, the only changes that this, or any administration would likely change, is to help close those holes and make it so that all gun sales (except for those illegal ones (obviously)) have to go through the same background checks, waiting periods, and registrations. The problem is that the reality isn't being explained clearly, and people are just freaking out over all the lies and half-truths that they are being given instead. People who are in a panic over losing their rights, the nation becoming a socialist state (just as ludicrous an idea as seizing guns), losing their job, house, and everything else just aren't able to think clearly.

[Wikinger9048]

How many People murdert in Russia every year? Or in Brazil? Or Kolumbia? More than in the US, and they all a very austere Gun laws.

 

... and how many people dieing in the swiss by firearms every year?

[exanimis]

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When I was a kid, everybody smoked. It was considered fashionable. There were ashtrays on the supports inside of every grocery store. There were ash trays inside Roses, Nickles, J.C. Penny's and Sears. In a few short years the attitude of non smokers has changed from "Some people just smoke" to "I'm going to die of cancer within a few years because my neighbor has smoked for thirty five years"

 

Not that long ago the American people believed that

1: Smoking had no effect on a persons health and that it actually had benefits. (Smoking was considered to help people lose weight)

2: Homosexuals were " sick freaks " who had no rights

3: Black Americans were "less" than human and had no rights.

 

VagrantO, you are correct that no law will take guns away from the American people. It is the American people who will take the guns away from themselves. The mindset of the American populous will be changed through the media to believe that anyone with a gun is a terrorist. When the constitution is changed ( today or three hundred years in the future) the people will see it as a good and right thing to do.

 

ed8020

You are correct about what you said about my post but that post states, at the beginning and at the end, that it is my opinion.

 

I didn't post this to debate guns or gun laws. I posted this because I want to know how people feel. Are we "ready", have we been "Programmed" enough to except a change in the constitution? What will be the " next " change? What are we willing to except/give up ?

[dezdimona]

Dezi, I know where you're coming from with your statement, and no - firearms are not often used for protection either.

my info comes from the BATF,maybe try looking for facts before bashing someone with your nonsensical reasons.

Hopefully you'll never have to defend yourdelf.I'm a life member of the NRA. I own handguns and just bought an M15a2. I also target shoot regularly.My statements unlike yours are always backed by facts not anti-gun bulls**t