LargeStyle Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 (edited) These 2 pictures are of completely rewritten graphics, both the internal engine and ENB settings. I'm torn as to which approach to pursue: - More natural and what the eye sees. - More fancy and with a camera type perspective / effect. Any feedback most welcome and appreciated... http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/8730/eh3k.jpg http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8260/ye50.jpg Note: This is more about normal blue skies vs over-exposed skies, and along with the use of bloom (plus DoF effect). Also note: Picture 1 was made of heavily calculated RBG values (some taken from real life photos) while picture 2 was a mess around. Edited October 22, 2013 by LargeStyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rennn Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 (edited) They both look less realistic than vanilla Skyrim, imo, and I'm guessing they also come with a ~20 fps performance drop.They're both washed out and blurry. Edited October 22, 2013 by Rennn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derok Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I prefer the top one, I like landscapes. The elf has a funny face.Btw, why not both? Each style is good. A close view works if you want to potrait emotions better or just bring the viewer in the action. The other one is cool when you want to capture some landscape and gives a dramatic, adventurous feel. I like the first style better personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LargeStyle Posted October 22, 2013 Author Share Posted October 22, 2013 They both look less realistic than vanilla Skyrim, imo What? Did I state anywhere that they were supposed to be realistic? No. I said "more natural and what the eye sees" which is different from claiming that the images actually look realistic. The demonstration was purely about seeing the game as if you were there or if you were watching it through a camera. If you compare vanilla lighting, Bethesda made a near complete mess with the screen setup with its gross misuse of brightness, contrast, white level, colour correction, and saturation to try (and fail) to compensate for a very basic graphics engine (with no amount of artistic license excuses being plausible here) - my lighting relies on no such manipulation whatsoever and has been technically remastered to as good a level as I believe the internal engine can support. I've reworked Bethesdas misuse of fog to cover up s""t terrain and object LoDs so the environment isn't hidden anymore. In both ENBs I've compiled the theoretically best HDR settings that I can without resorting to using any manipulation from other lighting variables, the latter technique being "the norm". I've made the most natural SSAO setting that I've seen on an ENB (of the many dozens I've tried) due to Boris code that is more advanced and effective than any game I know of. The ENB has also been design to allow and compensate for Imagespace Modifiers so features such as night vision isn't broken - so I've put a massive amount of effort into remastering it all in the most professional way possible, which I thought wasn't to bad as I'm not a professional anything let alone game lighting artist . And you say the pictures look less realistic than vanilla!!???!?!?! and I'm guessing they also come with a ~20 fps performance drop. Skyrim is pretty much 2 years old now, and the graphics engine was dated even upon release. When you remaster the lighting system like I have you'll see that the internal engine based game actually looks completely **** - which is why vanilla game runs so well: it's only half a graphics engine, and the basic half at that. It needs ENB to bring Skyrim back to todays graphical standards, and these never come free in terms of fps. If you hadn't noticed, Skyrim is also a huge open-world game in regards scale of environment (completely open lands) so it's generally going to be taxing on a lot of systems. Going by your sub-title, post count, the fact that you've posted such a pointless and negative comment that hasn't contributed to this thread in any worthwhile manner, and the fact that you didn't even understand my question of "two visual styles - which do you prefer" tells me that not only have you demonstrated a level of ignorance to the extent of causing offense, but it now makes me think that if this is the reception I'm likely to receive then I'm not going to ****ing bother anymore. I'll just make a simple ENB preset for myself, actually play Falskaar (which I've delayed until I'd completed my work) and then move on to other projects. I mean, I always appreciate constructive feedback (hence the creation of this thread) but your post contained none of that. I prefer the top one, I like landscapes. The elf has a funny face.Btw, why not both? Each style is good. Thanks for your comments Derok. If the elf looks funny then that's more to do with other mods than my lighting. I could do both lighting mods, and ideally I'd like to, but doing one complete overhaul of the entire lighting and weather system is very time consuming so doing two would be even more a massive task. I've spent way more of my life working on this than I intended and want to, so I was hoping to simply get some public feedback, work on the most popular direction, then move on (I really want to compose a music overhaul for Skyrim as music is actually my main love). FWIW - here's a 5 minute video demonstration of the two visual styles in case anyone gives a **** (apologies for almost harsh language, but I think my patience just ran out)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myztikrice Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 No, it seems like you're just looking for comments that praise you on your work. I also agree that they look washed out and blurry. If one comment you don't agree with is enough to cause you to pop off and rant and swear off the site forever, well we have enough of those primadonna mod authors on here already and don't need more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LargeStyle Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 If your ignorant ass needs to know, I've been suffering significant mental illness for quite a while now and have spent months recovering from this this as well as multiple life threatening physical conditions - it's why and how I spend so much time working on Skyrim. I am here genuinely. I am genuine. I spend a huge amount of time helping others, and thought it wouldn't be too much to ask for a little feedback once in a while. This has now proved to me that the public isn't worth bothering with. If you or anyone else "speaks" to me like that again I will come down on you and report your ass in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rennn Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) I mean, I always appreciate constructive feedback (hence the creation of this thread) but your post contained none of that. No, you evidently don't appreciate constructive criticism. Both screens are washed out and blurry, meaning you should swap some ambient lighting for direct lighting and tone down the DoF or shader AA.In addition, it doesn't look very natural. There's more contrast on a typical day when I look outside, and darker shadows than what your ENB displays. Option 1 is better, but Skyrim's engine is crap. Putting on blurry DX9 post-processing effects via ENB doesn't do anything to improve realism, which is why most ENB authors use heavy SSAO and color adjust to just make Skyrim more 'pretty'. But sure, you can get offended if you want. I don't care if you keep your mods to yourself. I keep 4-5 of my mods to myself as well, when they'e not high quality enough to release to the public. Edited October 23, 2013 by Rennn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rennn Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 If your ignorant ass needs to know, I've been suffering significant mental illness for quite a while now and have spent months recovering from this this as well as multiple life threatening physical conditions - it's why and how I spend so much time working on Skyrim. I am here genuinely. I am genuine. I spend a huge amount of time helping others, and thought it wouldn't be too much to ask for a little feedback once in a while. This has now proved to me that the public isn't worth bothering with. If you or anyone else "speaks" to me like that again I will come down on you and report your ass in a heartbeat. You're not the only one. I'm in therapy and on medication for anxiety and depression. You don't get to have a holier-than-thou attitude to shame me. Okay, report me. I didn't say anything that's actually offensive, you just interpreted it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LargeStyle Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 @ Rennn - go f*#@ yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rennn Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) @ Rennn - go f*** yourself. Seriously, you've done more to merit banning than I have. I said your ENB was blurry and should be adjusted. You responded by writing a synopsis of why I apparently fail as a human, and end it by telling me to **** myself. Edited October 23, 2013 by Rennn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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