Lag/frame loss with reasonable settings on a good pc

Riddleofsteel · April 21, 2009

I am going to post my load order for people to look at because for some reason on a Q9550 w/ 8gb of DDR-2 and a GTX 285 SSC I am getting terrible skipping and frame loss while playing the game at 1600x1200, high settings, AA disabled and 8x AF. I don't know what's causing it and I have been trying things like turning off windows startup items, disabling antivirus and disabling services. Thanks for any help, this is driving me crazy. I have tried FOMS but it usually seems to be a worse experience afterward for some reason.

Load order:

[X] Fallout3.esm

[X] FakePatch_v1.4.0.6.ESM

[X] HairPack.esm

[X] Anchorage.esm

[X] ThePitt.esm

[X] SP_Destruction_MASTER.esm

[X] CALIBR.esm

[X] FOOK.esm

[X] FWE_FO3_Wanderers_Edition.esm

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod.esm

[X] RoadWardens.esm

[X] Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esp

[X] Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Operation Anchorage.esp

[X] Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - The Pitt.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Misc Items - Caps.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - More Realistic Projectile Speeds.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Electronics MS.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Electronics A.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Version 4.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Furniture.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Deadlier Explosions.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Vehicles.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Misc Movable Static.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Containers M.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Containers A.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Electronics C.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Version 3.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Weapons and Ammo.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Doors.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Bathrooms.esp

[X] SP_Destruction - Misc Items.esp

[X] The Pitt Crash Fix.esp

[X] pitt raider armor fix.esp

[X] CALIBRxMerchant.esp

[X] CASM v1.2.1.esp

[X] Containers Respawn.esp

[X] Extreme Fallout 3.esp

[X] fighternpcs.esp

[X] T3T_AnchorageExtras.esp

[X] Traders inventories improved.esp

[X] CUSTOM RACES.esp

[X] DIM CUSTOM RACES V2.esp

[X] DarNifiedUIF3.esp

[X] Ultra pip-boy light.esp

[X] pipboylightblue.esp

[X] Moleman's Upgraded Anchorage Weaps.esp

[X] hair_add_npc.esp

[X] FOOK.esp

[X] FOOK - Tougher Enemies.esp

[X] FOOK - Additional Power Armor Training.esp

[X] FOOK - Reduced Armor Boni.esp

[X] FOOK - Free Play After MQ.esp

[X] FOOK - Anchorage.esp

[X] FOOK - The Pitt.esp

[X] FOOK Armor Remix.esp

[X] FOOK - No Requirements for Miniguns, Gatlings, 20mm Flak.esp

[X] MyFOOK - Default Ammo Sorting.esp

[X] FWE_00_QUEST.esp

[X] FWE_01_COMBAT.esp

[X] FWE_02_COMBAT_II.esp

[X] FWE_03_CHARACTER.esp

[X] FWE_04_CHARACTER_II.esp

[X] FWE_05_ITEMLOOT.esp

[X] FWE_05_ITEMLOOT_II.esp

[X] FWE_05_ITEMLOOT_III.esp

[X] FWE_06_SPAWNS.esp

[X] FWE_07_IMMERSION.esp

[X] FWE_08_FEATURES.esp

[X] FWE Compatibility - FOOK.esp

[X] WeaponModKits.esp

[X] WeaponModKits - FOOK + FWE.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - No Geckos.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - Increased Spawns.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - Feral Ghoul Rampage.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - No Corpse Flies.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - Zones Respawn.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - FOOK + FWE.esp

[X] HairPack-MMM-v1_2b.esp

[X] RoadWardens.esp

[X] RoadWardensMMM.esp

[X] Foes Reworked v .85.esp

[X] WinterizedPowerArmorFix-Standardized.esp

[X] APMPA Stimpack restores All HP Costs Stimpacks.esp

[X] VaultSuitBetterRearsForFemales.esp

[X] Centered 3P Cam.esp

[X] Dismembered Body and Gore Removal.esp

[X] DBGR - Pitt Edition.esp

[X] CombatDuster.esp

[X] SR25Rifle.esp

[X] BunkMod - Private J - v0.01.001.esp

[X] VltorSBR.esp

[X] FN_SCAR_v1.0.esp

[X] g36mod.esp

[X] 1alexscorpionsnipergear.esp

[X] Krigos2SVD.esp

[X] BlackG3A3AssaultRifles.esp

[X] Vintorez - CALIBR compatible.esp

[X] Modern weapons.esp

[X] ArkanModSiga12K.esp

[X] 14mmPistolModRR.esp

[X] ZL-MP5 Pack-CALIBR.esp

[X] PlasmaRifleAwesomefied.esp

[X] Weapon Bug Fixes + Shishkebab.esp

[X] ClassicEnclaveAPA-Better-APA-english.esp

[X] BPV.esp

[X] BABEreconarmor.esp

[X] HZ_PNV_BRIGHT_ENG.esp

[X] RCmarketNoFire.esp

[X] FatmanMK2.esp

[X] MrSlackPants-Explosions.esp

[X] MaxLevelWorkaround-HP.esp

[X] WastelandMastery.esp

[X] BetterNPCRepair.esp

[X] More Merchant Caps.esp

[X] Echo_UseBothGloves.esp

[X] PristineChineseOfficersSword.esp

[X] megatonquick.esp

[X] Fast_but_dramatic_VATS_0.9.esp

[X] playbackdelay_001.esp

[X] VATS_Normal_dmg_to_player.esp

[X] Headshot_Balance.esp

[X] actionpoints_instant_regen.esp

[X] CHN-FastBullets_2x.esp

[X] SlowmotionBulletFlybyInVats.esp

[X] pater_NoTrace.esp

[X] HZ_MoreShells.esp

[X] ShotgunLove.esp

[X] Slower Degradation (-50%).esp

[X] no blur on hit.esp

[X] FireLightFix.esp

[X] ZumbsDarkerSunglasses.esp

[X] PureWater-VeryCleanLittleRad-.esp

[X] 20th Century Weapons.esp

[X] JMixedToysForAdultsVol1V10.esp

[X] Tactical Weapons by gRs Frederyck.esp

[X] RealFragGrenade.esp

[X] SniperAimCorrected.esp

[X] Supersledge Knockdown.esp

[X] BlackWolf Backpack.esp

[X] Kneecapper Linked.esp

[X] SniperZooming.esp

[X] reduced karma loss for Stealing.esp

[X] G.T.O..esp

[X] ACE2.0b.esp

[X] 5xlvling.esp

[X] 999 Weight Limit.esp

[X] Auto Aim Fix v1.1.esp

[X] xweapon-accuracy-v3.esp

[X] Wattz Laser Weapons Mod.esp

[X] WeaponModKits-Wattz_Laser_Weapons_Addon.esp

[X] City-Killer-english.esp

[X] UniqueSmallGuns-NO_WMK.esp

[X] dD-Less Blood Time, Larger Blood.esp

[X] RRR+ANCH+PITT 1.0.esp

[X] SpeedMod.esp

[X] No Autosave.esp

[X] SP Auto Health Regen.esp

[X] Fellout-Full.esp

[X] FWO-DLC-Anchorage.esp

[X] Item Descriptions Img.esp

[X] lessviewdistance.esp

[X] Hi-Res Weapons & Ammo Textures.esp

[X] Hi-Res Weapons & Ammo Textures - The Pitt.esp

JimboUK · April 21, 2009

The MMM stuff should load last or so I've been told.

Riddleofsteel · April 21, 2009

I'll give that a try. Thanks.

dimon99 · April 21, 2009

I am going to post my load order for people to look at because for some reason on a Q9550 w/ 8gb of DDR-2 and a GTX 285 SSC I am getting terrible skipping and frame loss while playing the game at 1600x1200, high settings, AA disabled and 8x AF. I don't know what's causing it and I have been trying things like turning off windows startup items, disabling antivirus and disabling services. Thanks for any help, this is driving me crazy. I have tried FOMS but it usually seems to be a worse experience afterward for some reason.

Load order:

[X] Fallout3.esm
[X] FakePatch_v1.4.0.6.ESM
[X] HairPack.esm
[X] Anchorage.esm
[X] ThePitt.esm
[X] SP_Destruction_MASTER.esm
[X] CALIBR.esm
[X] FOOK.esm
[X] FWE_FO3_Wanderers_Edition.esm
[X] Mart's Mutant Mod.esm
[X] RoadWardens.esm
[X] Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esp
[X] Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Operation Anchorage.esp
[X] Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - The Pitt.esp
[X] SP_Destruction - Misc Items - Caps.esp
[X] SP_Destruction - More Realistic Projectile Speeds.esp
[X] SP_Destruction - Electronics MS.esp
[X] SP_Destruction - Electronics A.esp
[X] SP_Destruction - Version 4.esp
[X] SP_Destruction - Furniture.esp
[X] SP_Destruction - Deadlier Explosions.esp
[X] SP_Destruction - Vehicles.esp
[X] SP_Destruction - Misc Movable Static.esp
[X] SP_Destruction - Containers M.esp
[X] SP_Destruction - Containers A.esp
[X] SP_Destruction - Electronics C.esp
[X] SP_Destruction - Version 3.esp
[X] SP_Destruction - Weapons and Ammo.esp
[X] SP_Destruction - Doors.esp
[X] SP_Destruction - Bathrooms.esp
[X] SP_Destruction - Misc Items.esp
[X] The Pitt Crash Fix.esp
[X] pitt raider armor fix.esp
[X] CALIBRxMerchant.esp
[X] CASM v1.2.1.esp
[X] Containers Respawn.esp
[X] Extreme Fallout 3.esp
[X] fighternpcs.esp
[X] T3T_AnchorageExtras.esp
[X] Traders inventories improved.esp
[X] CUSTOM RACES.esp
[X] DIM CUSTOM RACES V2.esp
[X] DarNifiedUIF3.esp
[X] Ultra pip-boy light.esp
[X] pipboylightblue.esp
[X] Moleman's Upgraded Anchorage Weaps.esp
[X] hair_add_npc.esp
[X] FOOK.esp
[X] FOOK - Tougher Enemies.esp
[X] FOOK - Additional Power Armor Training.esp
[X] FOOK - Reduced Armor Boni.esp
[X] FOOK - Free Play After MQ.esp
[X] FOOK - Anchorage.esp
[X] FOOK - The Pitt.esp
[X] FOOK Armor Remix.esp
[X] FOOK - No Requirements for Miniguns, Gatlings, 20mm Flak.esp
[X] MyFOOK - Default Ammo Sorting.esp
[X] FWE_00_QUEST.esp
[X] FWE_01_COMBAT.esp
[X] FWE_02_COMBAT_II.esp
[X] FWE_03_CHARACTER.esp
[X] FWE_04_CHARACTER_II.esp
[X] FWE_05_ITEMLOOT.esp
[X] FWE_05_ITEMLOOT_II.esp
[X] FWE_05_ITEMLOOT_III.esp
[X] FWE_06_SPAWNS.esp
[X] FWE_07_IMMERSION.esp
[X] FWE_08_FEATURES.esp
[X] FWE Compatibility - FOOK.esp
[X] WeaponModKits.esp
[X] WeaponModKits - FOOK + FWE.esp
[X] Mart's Mutant Mod.esp
[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - No Geckos.esp
[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - Increased Spawns.esp
[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - Feral Ghoul Rampage.esp
[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - No Corpse Flies.esp
[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - Zones Respawn.esp
[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - FOOK + FWE.esp
[X] HairPack-MMM-v1_2b.esp
[X] RoadWardens.esp
[X] RoadWardensMMM.esp
[X] Foes Reworked v .85.esp
[X] WinterizedPowerArmorFix-Standardized.esp
[X] APMPA Stimpack restores All HP Costs Stimpacks.esp
[X] VaultSuitBetterRearsForFemales.esp
[X] Centered 3P Cam.esp
[X] Dismembered Body and Gore Removal.esp
[X] DBGR - Pitt Edition.esp
[X] CombatDuster.esp
[X] SR25Rifle.esp
[X] BunkMod - Private J - v0.01.001.esp
[X] VltorSBR.esp
[X] FN_SCAR_v1.0.esp
[X] g36mod.esp
[X] 1alexscorpionsnipergear.esp
[X] Krigos2SVD.esp
[X] BlackG3A3AssaultRifles.esp
[X] Vintorez - CALIBR compatible.esp
[X] Modern weapons.esp
[X] ArkanModSiga12K.esp
[X] 14mmPistolModRR.esp
[X] ZL-MP5 Pack-CALIBR.esp
[X] PlasmaRifleAwesomefied.esp
[X] Weapon Bug Fixes + Shishkebab.esp
[X] ClassicEnclaveAPA-Better-APA-english.esp
[X] BPV.esp
[X] BABEreconarmor.esp
[X] HZ_PNV_BRIGHT_ENG.esp
[X] RCmarketNoFire.esp
[X] FatmanMK2.esp
[X] MrSlackPants-Explosions.esp
[X] MaxLevelWorkaround-HP.esp
[X] WastelandMastery.esp
[X] BetterNPCRepair.esp
[X] More Merchant Caps.esp
[X] Echo_UseBothGloves.esp
[X] PristineChineseOfficersSword.esp
[X] megatonquick.esp
[X] Fast_but_dramatic_VATS_0.9.esp
[X] playbackdelay_001.esp
[X] VATS_Normal_dmg_to_player.esp
[X] Headshot_Balance.esp
[X] actionpoints_instant_regen.esp
[X] CHN-FastBullets_2x.esp
[X] SlowmotionBulletFlybyInVats.esp
[X] pater_NoTrace.esp
[X] HZ_MoreShells.esp
[X] ShotgunLove.esp
[X] Slower Degradation (-50%).esp
[X] no blur on hit.esp
[X] FireLightFix.esp
[X] ZumbsDarkerSunglasses.esp
[X] PureWater-VeryCleanLittleRad-.esp
[X] 20th Century Weapons.esp
[X] JMixedToysForAdultsVol1V10.esp
[X] Tactical Weapons by gRs Frederyck.esp
[X] RealFragGrenade.esp
[X] SniperAimCorrected.esp
[X] Supersledge Knockdown.esp
[X] BlackWolf Backpack.esp
[X] Kneecapper Linked.esp
[X] SniperZooming.esp
[X] reduced karma loss for Stealing.esp
[X] G.T.O..esp
[X] ACE2.0b.esp
[X] 5xlvling.esp
[X] 999 Weight Limit.esp
[X] Auto Aim Fix v1.1.esp
[X] xweapon-accuracy-v3.esp
[X] Wattz Laser Weapons Mod.esp
[X] WeaponModKits-Wattz_Laser_Weapons_Addon.esp
[X] City-Killer-english.esp
[X] UniqueSmallGuns-NO_WMK.esp
[X] dD-Less Blood Time, Larger Blood.esp
[X] RRR+ANCH+PITT 1.0.esp
[X] SpeedMod.esp
[X] No Autosave.esp
[X] SP Auto Health Regen.esp
[X] Fellout-Full.esp
[X] FWO-DLC-Anchorage.esp
[X] Item Descriptions Img.esp
[X] lessviewdistance.esp
[X] Hi-Res Weapons & Ammo Textures.esp
[X] Hi-Res Weapons & Ammo Textures - The Pitt.esp

It is 99% not your computer. From what I noticed - best looking NiAlfa settings in Nifskope get me same thing- strange lag and "skipping" frames.

Even tho FRAPS show good overall FPS.

I would start with going vanilla - unequip everything modded- armor, weapons,hair. One by one. If problem got away - you now know what it is.

If not.... you gotta do mods troubleshoot thingy, and you got quite a lot junk up there,hehe. Gonna do some more work then - disable mods and see which one is causing lag.

TGBlank · April 21, 2009

Hmm, several of your weapon mods are already included in fook, MMM goes last, and some of your vats mods may be overwritting each other. Also, there's a new MMM which is a lot more stable.

Apart from that (which apart from marts stuff i doubt it'll change your framerate much), you should defrag your drive. Seriously, it does wonders.

Riddleofsteel · April 21, 2009

If you mean Mart's RC1, I have that one. I also defragged earlier today.

Anyway, here's something weird. I quick traveled from where I was in the wastes to Craterside Supply in Megaton. Once there, the difference in frames/speed was so much that it felt like I had a fast-forward function on. I quick traveled back to the wastes and it stayed snappy and responsive. But the trouble is, I also disabled/deleted a few mods before I loaded the game. So now, I don't know what caused the increase in speed, the quick travel or disabling mods. Any thoughts?

TGBlank · April 21, 2009

Quick travel may have helped (cell reload). The act of disabling a mod (independent of the mod) may have helped too, since the game does a little cleanup to remove the mod's stuff (maybe fixing or otherwise leaving in a better state the rest).

Sometimes killing yourself and loading a save of a different cell haves the same effects, or entering a house and waiting for 3+ days (depending of mods) until respawn. Much info is cleaned up when this happens.

Using normal saves instead of auto ones also haves a beneficial effect (or rather, auto saves are more prone of being dirty for some reason).

Riddleofsteel · April 21, 2009

Yeah, I use CASM heavily now. Hopefully I don't get insane lag again, but we'll see.

Riddleofsteel · April 21, 2009

Is there any sense in using 4096x4096 skins for certain armors/creatures if I am using just regular 1024x and 2048x city/landscape skins? I am a bit of a detail graphics fiend, but I don't want to over-do it.

Also, is using 8x Quality Multisample AA a good idea or does it just take too many FPS and cause crashes? Thanks again.

TGBlank · April 21, 2009

Bigger textures doesn't exactly mean better looking. A well made normal map can do wonders even with small textures.

It's also normal to use smaller textures on landscape/buildings. They don't have seams and belts (and dirt is added through decals).

I hardly ever notice the difference between 4x aa and 8x or 16x aa. Maybe with a bigger monitor, i dunno.

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