Why the current environmental Fad is absurd

[Pagafyr]

 

 

 

 

Now, on the flip side of things, I'ma say this. My best friend works for Tesla's Solar division. One of the really cool ideas that they are implementing in areas that will volunteer for it, is Communal Charging. (Thats not the actual name, I don't remember what he said it was called).

But yeah, basically... have extra solar panels installed on your property. Your neighbors, do the same thing. And then you're all connected to a micro-grid. The excess power goes into the grid, and stays there for the houses that aren't getting enough, or saved up for cloudy/rainy bad weather days.

Very cool idea.

 

Elon Musk's Sister is a member of a team making solar windows

 

Oh? So you'd have to pay a lot more to replace your windows when the neighborhood kids break one out playing streetball?

 

HAHA no, I'm just kidding around. That is actually REALLY cool. Thanks for sharing that and bringing it to my attention Pagafyr! :smile: :smile: :smile:

 

 

Wouldn't it be amazing if the see through sheet of solar power collecting material on your glass window could keep the pane of shattered glass from spilling into your room and making a big mess to clean up?

 

If only we could just pull out the entire window pane still attached to the solar collector's see through sheet, using an adhesive thinner to release the solar see through sheet from the broken glass to safely put shards of broken glass into a waste can, and after the new window pane is installed re-stick the solar collector's see through sheet on the new window pane?

 

That would be so nice!

 

Hmmmmm.

This definitely is not my field, so this is just a wild-haired idea. I dunno if it would/could work.

But.....

I'm wondering.

Can those solar collectors be attached to say... a thin sheet of bullet proof glass?

 

 

Yup! Bullets would damage the solar collectors because bullet proof glass is damaged when shot. The bullet just doesn't break through the bullet proof glass all the way. A number of direct hits on the same spot on a bullet proof window, say on a limo, could eventually penetrate the bullet proof window.

[Pagafyr]

 

 

Green energy sounds great. Who doesn't want a clean environment? Who doesn't want to ensure that we have clean water and air for ourselves and the creatures we share this little planet with?

 

I want these things.

 

However the current push for green isn't about any of that. How do I know? Because it ignores the one thing that causes severe pollution.

 

Planned Obsolescence

 

Our manufacturing and our entire civilization is based on this. The reasoning is that to keep the gears running in the economy, consumers need to be forced to upgrade. What would Ford do if they built a car that lasted 50 years and never broke down? They would be collectors items for sure and Ford would be out of business (probably). Manufacturing and our economic model needs to be completely redone.

 

So if we rejected Planned Obsolescence, it would greatly reduce pollution, it would also give people a lot of free time to live thier true lives.

 

Greed is the mission. Not any environmental issue.

 

Planned Obsolescence is in everything. Even the roads we drive on are designed to require repair and replacement for this very reason. It is the elephant in the room.. following the whims of the "green" zealots will make us less free with no change in our climate trajectory.

 

So what you are saying in your over-modulated way is that because there is a problem with modern business models, we can simply ignore the dangers from global warming caused by burning fossil fuels. We needn't worry about melting glaciers, warming oceans, increased fire danger, increased storm severity, etc because if we simply make our toys last longer, the problems will all go away. Really?

 

Build in obsolescence is a scapegoat. Given the pace of technological advancement, obsolescence isn't built in, it is technologically inevitable. Horse drawn buggies and ox drawn wagons are obsolete, not because they were manufactured to become obsolete, but because another technology came along and made the buggy and wagon obsolete. The same can be said of tube radios, which were made obsolete by transistor radios, not because tube radios were designed to be obsolete, but because a better technology supplanted them. The war club was made obsolete by the sword, the blacksmith hammer by the power forge, the mortar and pestle by the mill, not because these technologies were designed to be obsolete, but because something better, easier, faster, simpler came along. "Built in obsolescence" should more appropriately be called "rapid technological advancement".

 

But, alas you took the easy way out. Blaming manufactures for the environmental issues and labeling them greedy is easy, lazy, and false. Denigrating the very real issues facing the environment is easy, lazy and false. Pointing at civilization and blaming them for the worlds issues is easy, lazy, and false.

 

The truth is, the real problem with the environment and most of the worlds other problems is something which nobody wants to face, let alone solve (either personally, or collectively)\. Simply put, there are too damned many human beings on this planet. Like a virus in a petri dish, we are polluting our environment with our waste and that behavior has a predictable consequence. We humans will eventually render our species, and many other species, extinct. That, my bombastic MrJoseCuervo, is the true elephant in the room.

 

OK. So.

I agree, and I disagree.

First, I don't think that you're understanding what is implied by "planned obsolescence". Auto manufacturing companies (they're not the only ones, but they're the first to pop into my head) literally have teams of very highly paid Research and Development staff whose job it is: is to design parts that will fail after 3 years, X amount of mileage, etc. But... design parts that are meant to fail.

This little corner of the corporate world, just in the mass manufacturing of those parts... highly contributes to massive harm to the ecology. Strip mining, for the metals used in those parts. The gas used by the machines doing it and the smog released from those same machines (usually taking place in countries that have fewer emissions laws). All the fuel used to power the electrical turbines used to power the machines that do the actual manufacturing process, all the gases released during smelting processes.

It goes on and on.

Are they the sole, or major contributors? Of course not. But. They're NOT helping.

 

I think, and agree with what you were saying, falls more into the realm of "evolutionary obsolescence". All technology will evolve as newer and better comes along. It's the nature of the beast.

 

 

Ok so here's something that's been bashing around the insides of my brainpan lately. And it's something that I don't know if a lot of the "save the planet" types take into account. Especially with the war that our current administration is taking on, with the oil companies.

Plastic.

Yeah, it's absolutely hell on the environment, and on the ecology. But.

As of right now, it is an extremely necessary evil.

Where does plastic come from? It's from a byproduct of oil.

Without plastic, we do not have about 90% of the technology used in hospitals. We don't have bags of blood to use for blood infusions, or plasma to be used for surgical operations. We don't have the machines used to extract those needed fluids from donors. We also don't have the items used to keep the equipment sterile (plastic bags or containers) prior to their use. Or containers that are used afterwards, to prevent any kind of biological agents from possibly escaping.

Biological containment. Just the areas where infectious diseases are researched contains massive amount of products create from oil byproduct.

Yeah. Sadly, in the present, plastic is very much a necessary evil. Therefore, Oil is very much a necessary evil.

 

But again, WHY is that a necessary evil? Human need. (Sorry Jose.)

I am by no means saying that we need to start purging our current population. But.

We do need to start taking into serious account, and start planning on just how massively our population grows.

 

 

The professor teaching first year law at the college I went to invented an item back in 1972 that was impervious to wear and tear. It would last forever. I was standing on the sidewalk outside the library. I overheard as he talked to him self nearby. He was working on some notes about a plastic device he held in his hand. He said, "Now all I have to do is make it break down in 91 days".

 

That was about this time during the first semester of 1972.

 

Rich and Famous people spend an enormous amount of time trying to figure out how to pay their businesses overhead, taxes on everything they own, and keep giving parties they bring popular actors to mingle in with friends, friends that end up costing them a fortune if all they do is take advantage of the food service and drinks.

 

According to what Sir Arthur Conan Doyle had Doctor Watson say in the issue telling how Dr. Watson met Sherlock Holmes the cities are the problem and the cities only exist because that is where the idle rich play when away from their lands outside the cities.

 

Tear down the huge cities and all will be cool. Cooler temperatures around the world then!

[MrJoseCuervo]

So imagine now that earth changes are the mechanism that determines our population. Let it do its job. No need for green.

[StormWolf01]

So imagine now that earth changes are the mechanism that determines our population. Let it do its job. No need for green.

Dude!

Seriously?

 

I was thinking about this exact same thing, maybe an hour or so ago!

 

Well, sorta.

I've had a theory for several decades, that climate change is a part of the natural planetary cycle. I mean, we've got documentation, regarding two previous global floods. The most recent of which, is documented by multiple religions.

 

I refer to it as the "Nature flushing the toilet" theory :D

[Pagafyr]

 

So imagine now that earth changes are the mechanism that determines our population. Let it do its job. No need for green.

Dude!

Seriously?

 

I was thinking about this exact same thing, maybe an hour or so ago!

 

Well, sorta.

I've had a theory for several decades, that climate change is a part of the natural planetary cycle. I mean, we've got documentation, regarding two previous global floods. The most recent of which, is documented by multiple religions.

 

I refer to it as the "Nature flushing the toilet" theory :D

 

 

Whose having a brain fart?! Who already posted a YouTube about the coming event? When the Earth does it's thing there will be water everywhere...

MrJoseCuervo did!

 

AND I QUOTE!

 

MrJoseCuervo

Posted 12 September 2022 - 07:43 PM

Try to be a rainbow in someone elses cloud.

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I believe the UFO phenomenon is related to the changing magnetic field here on earth. Not all of the "sightings" but I believe the vast majority are.

 

You were not aware our magnetic poles are in the process of shifting? Probably for the best.

 

 

 

[Pagafyr]

@StormWolf1

 

Bullets would damage the solar collectors because bullet proof glass is damaged when shot. The bullet just doesn't break through the bullet proof glass all the way. A number of direct hits on the same spot on a bullet proof window, say on a limo, could eventually penetrate the bullet proof window.