Sims 3 ?

[TheVampireDante]

 

But, again, please don't advise people to start harassing modders.

 

The fact you see it as harassment is honestly - puzzling.

 

No one's talking about a mass spamming campaign to try and strong-arm people to host here, or anywhere else. There's no harm in asking, or being asked (if done politely) - if you don't want to host your files somewhere, then at the very least a straightforward "no" as a reply shows that.

 

 

If I want a backup site, I know how to google for one.

 

No one's questioning people's ability to go and look for themselves. It's about seeing something that isn't on a particular site, and asking the author if they've ever considered hosting on it.

Reading through your previous post, I can see you don't like the idea because it's not something suitable - for you - Other people might appreciate the interest, or know of a particular upload site, but never personally thought about posting their work there for one reason or another - but would not object to doing so if asked.

 

I'd rather someone asked a mod author about the premise and get a no, than to go around the author and upload it without permission themselves.

 

Just because you don't like the idea doesn't mean everyone should.

[bben46]

Actually, it is a good idea to have your mods on more than one site. No site can guarantee it will be there tomorrow, not even the Nexus. It should be up to the mod author where they want to upload their mods. Here or elsewhere. Nexus has NO rule against having your mods on some other site. And many authors do have their mods elsewhere as well as here. Nexus makes a place available to upload mods - It's up to the authors of those mods whether or not they choose to use Nexus or some other site - or both.

[Moraelin]

 

 

But, again, please don't advise people to start harassing modders.

 

The fact you see it as harassment is honestly - puzzling.

 

You seriously don't see how advising people to contact every author of every mod they liked and "invite" them over, could result in a spam campaign of EPIC proportions for some of the more popular mods? Because what got me started was the following gem from message #4, and this is an exact quote: "If there are games you play that you download mods for, I would definitely suggest you contact those mod authors and suggest they upload to NM.com." Surely you can see what would happen if enough people took that advice.

 

Imagine some other site did it for NV mods. Let's say Curse decided to encourage people to do that, back when they were trying to get into it. If just 1% of the people who downloaded, say, Willow, took such an advice to heart and sent yet another polite invitation to the author to bring the mod over to Curse, that would be over 4500 messages to llamaRCA.

 

And there are mods for TS3 which are actually more downloaded than that. If 1% of downloaders decided to politely invite the author of the NRaas modules or AwesomeMod to the Nexus -- despite it being perfectly clear over the last years that they don't intend to move everywhere -- the result would be indistinguishable from a mail bombing.

 

Yes, you can tell each of them a polite "no", but then again, so can you tell the telemarketers or Jehovah's Witnesses, and nobody appreciates that after a while anyway :tongue:

 

I'd rather someone asked a mod author about the premise and get a no, than to go around the author and upload it without permission themselves.

 

Yes, just about anything legal is better than doing piracy with someone else's mods, but since it's obviously not a dichotomy... how about neither?

 

I mean, that's like saying I'd rather get spammed than stabbed. It may be technically true, but it doesn't say much :tongue:

[TheVampireDante]

If such an "en masse" request situation like you are talking about was ever going to happen - don't you think it would have already? You seriously think that just because it's been said now, that there's suddenly going to be a huge surge of "Hey put your stuff on site X" messages being thrown all over the various sites?

 

That's a very exaggerated scenario. If you've failed to notice, this type "ask for permission first" setup is what this site has been running since the very beginning. Hasn't caused your hypothetical situation yet.

 

 

despite it being perfectly clear over the last years that they don't intend to move everywhere

 

Right, fine - they've made it clear they don't plan on alternate hosting. Nothing wrong with that, we're talking about files/authors that aren't so clear.

 

 

but since it's obviously not a dichotomy... how about neither?

 

Can't exactly force people to stop asking, and have no intention of evening trying. People are free to ask just as much as people are free to refuse.

 

If you don't want to consider hosting in other locations, fine. Which leads me to this:

 

 

Yes, you can tell each of them a polite "no", but then again, so can you tell the telemarketers or Jehovah's Witnesses, and nobody appreciates that after a while anyway

 

To fit it with the quote - I've got a note on my door, it says "no cold callers" it's worked for me for the last 13 years. Perhaps adding a note along a similar line to files, readme's or (as is done here by some) on the file description page.

People will get the idea and leave you alone. This already happens - There are a lot of files here that have - Nexus exclusive - marked at the top of the page.

 

If any of the authors such a marked file are reading this topic - I'd really like to know if you are getting constantly spammed with hosting requests for your files.

 

There's generally two types of this request that gets asked:

 

1. Would you mind hosting your files on -site- ?

2. Would you mind if I hosted your files on -site-?

 

The second one, while not as common - takes some of the work off the original author. As someone else is fielding the questions and workload on the secondary hosting. Obviously this requires a little prep work, and that the second user knows enough of the details for it to work, but in a lot of the times I've seen this done in the past on various sites, it tends to work out well.

 

You are obviously opposed to the whole concept (which is nothing more than being polite with people), and have nothing more to add than "don't do it" which to be honest, isn't helpful to anyone. Instead of attempting to kill off the matter altogether (which isn't possible) - how about suggestions of a way to refine it instead?

 

We already take out some of the work by providing a section during file upload creation/file editing marked "Distribution permissions" for authors to use. The options are "no" or "yes, you must credit me as creator of the file". Or you can write out a custom text to display regarding your permissions and distribution regulations. So there's a start.

[Dark0ne]

I think there's a big difference between say, me asking people in the site news to PM authors on other sites asking them if they'll upload their mods here as well, and some one suggesting someone else does it in a forum thread that's going to be read by very few people. I know it's a natural reaction to swing to extremes, but it's a bit extreme to start talking about numbers like 4,500!

 

I've, on occasion and especially with new games, sent messages to authors on official forums to talk with them about the Nexus and ask them if they'd be willing to upload their mods to the Nexus or give me permission to do it myself. I've not once had a negative reaction, even from people that have been banned on the network (and invariably we've talked about the ban and they've become unbanned in the process). Frankly, it's all in the way you word the message.

 

Kind, gentle, accommodating, unimposing. That approach works, either in getting the desired response or getting a response that is at least very sincere in return.

 

Obnoxious, arrogant, boasting, demanding. That approach is unlikely to work. I wouldn't know as I'd never do it.

[Moraelin]

Can't exactly force people to stop asking, and have no intention of evening trying. People are free to ask just as much as people are free to refuse.

 

Yes, well, not every message I write is a request to the staff. Actually, if I thought a user's message needs staff intervention, I would have used the report button. I've done it twice, IIRC.

 

It was just telling another user why such inviting others to start writing to mod authors can potentially end up annoying. If he spontaneously wants to contact a mod author, that's one thing, telling others to do it too is IMHO a bit much.

 

The only reason I told the same to you is because, well, you said it was puzzling why I see it that way. So I explained the puzzle.

 

But it wasn't a request to intervene and stop anyone. Nor implying it was some action organized by the staff. I'm sorry if it sounded that way or anything.

 

That said, I think I explained the way I think about it pretty clearly by now, so whether anyone agrees or not is their business, and there's no point in my beating that horse again. I'm sure everyone will use their best judgment.