good CPU and Motherboard? and stuff about cooling

[mase18]

hey :smile:

im going through PC parts, making a list, so i can make my own desktop (first one :dance:), and wondering whats a good CPU and Motherboard. i live in Australia, so i cant buy from sites, like newegg ( because they only ship within the U.S, and to Puerto Rico, as well as to APO/FPO addresses only). im using an Australian site called PCCaseGear. im open to suggestions to other sites that ship to Australia. so, yeah, whats a good CPU and Motherboard?

for CPU, im thinking of an Intel core i7 4820k.

for Motherboard, im thinking of an ASUS P9X79-WS Motherboard (Intel Socket 2011)

with the cooling, im thinking of water cooling, but dont know what you would need. theres also CPU cooling, but dont understand that. any help?

so, yeah, whats a good CPU and Motherboard? i havent bought anything for it yet, just been doing the math for it. im also bad when it comes to computers (dont know whats good, whats bad. i know next to nothing about them, or how to make them, but i can figure it out)

thanks in advance :smile:

[SunnyDelight]

Hello Journeyman!

 

Saw this post and thought I'd reply. First of all what kind of budget are you looking at? If you want to save some money then I wouldn't go with Intel because there are equally as good AMD cpu's available.

 

I have the motherboard you mentioned.

 

And when it comes to cooling do you want to over clock? I'd go with (If you have the case for it) A water cooling complete kit. (Just saying that because they are small, easy to install and s on. Message me if you need to! :smile:

 

NEED TO KNOW YAH BUDGET! :D Then I can really help :)

Edited January 6, 2014 by SunnyDelight

[mase18]

well, i was looking at a budget of $1500 Australian dollars, but then that went out the window, so around $3000, but less than $4000. ive got almost everything, discounting the CPU, Motherboard, cooler and all the misc wiring. im not looking to make it till later this year, maybe. need the money first :P

so go for an AMD CPU, and an Intel Motherboard?

[FMod]

well, i was looking at a budget of $1500 Australian dollars, but then that went out the window, so around $3000, but less than $4000. ive got almost everything, discounting the CPU, Motherboard, cooler and all the misc wiring.

 

Let's be clear:

1. What is your purpose for the PC?

2. What does "got almost everything" mean? As in you have old parts, or you already picked something, or what?

 

 

with the cooling, im thinking of water cooling, but dont know what you would need. theres also CPU cooling, but dont understand that. any help?

 

...There's no water in computers that needs to be cooled, it's CPU cooling that water is used for.

An all-in-one kit is probably all right just because.

 

for CPU, im thinking of an Intel core i7 4820k.

for Motherboard, im thinking of an ASUS P9X79-WS Motherboard (Intel Socket 2011)

This doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Why?

Also, the board might not work with that CPU out of the box.

[mase18]

 

well, i was looking at a budget of $1500 Australian dollars, but then that went out the window, so around $3000, but less than $4000. ive got almost everything, discounting the CPU, Motherboard, cooler and all the misc wiring.

 

Let's be clear:

1. What is your purpose for the PC?

2. What does "got almost everything" mean? As in you have old parts, or you already picked something, or what?

1. the purpose for the PC is for gaming. im on a gaming laptop, that does and doesnt want to play games ATM. i want something a bit more stable (the laptop shuts down after an hour of gaming on any game i try to play (managed to get a blue screen when playing Divinity:Dragon Commander).

2. ive decided what parts to go with (nothing has been determined, and havent bought anything yet).

 

 

 

with the cooling, im thinking of water cooling, but dont know what you would need. theres also CPU cooling, but dont understand that. any help?

 

...There's no water in computers that needs to be cooled, it's CPU cooling that water is used for.

An all-in-one kit is probably all right just because.

oh, ok. what about system water cooling? ive heard of that, as well as CPU water cooling. im not sure what they are. im really bad when it comes to anything that comes to computers...

 

 

for CPU, im thinking of an Intel core i7 4820k.

for Motherboard, im thinking of an ASUS P9X79-WS Motherboard (Intel Socket 2011)

This doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Why?

Also, the board might not work with that CPU out of the box.

 

how doesnt this make a whole lot of sense? i know that, that the CPU might be incompatible with the motherboard, and im open suggestions on what are good CPU's and motherboards that are compatible...

[SunnyDelight]

Okay well it's obvious you have a bit to spend and you want a 2011 socket like me. I have a xeon 2687w with the same motherboard as what you mentioned. I'd say as you have that much to spend to get the asus p9x79 - WS motherboard which is about £300 (550 AUD). It's a brill motherboard and has a great on board sound. (I use 7.1 optical surround if you are interested that is) and when it comes to cpu I'd give you a couple of intel options being a intel i7 4960K hexa core 3.4ghz. Nice bit of power for £435 (797 AUD) for something cheaper get a i7 4820k quad core 3.7ghz about 420 AUD I would say getting a xeon but they are much more expensive and they are not necessary for gaming really but I use my computer for a lot more.

 

When it comes to cooling i would say getting a all in one water cooling kit and stay away from reservoirs well I do they can break with the most stupid mistake. I'd go for a kit like the corsair h80i it's a nice single radiator water cooler. Small easy to install ect but if you have the room in your case you can get a double radiator cooler being the corsair h100i for about 201 AUD. in total I'd say the lot you are looking at

 

1300-1500 AUD

 

Th above are a performance build for a cheaper build I'd go AMD (DO NOT LISTEN TO THE THINGS SAID ABOUT AMD THEY ARE EQUAL) I have had both intel and amd solutions in gaming machine builds both where just the same.

 

For a AMD Solution I'd say have the same choice of coolers (You can goto fan coolers but I do not use them!) I'm being biased I know.

But with amd I used to have a FX very good for cheap. I'd say get a FX or A10 series. If you wnt top spec I'd say FX but it's upto you. I'd get a AMD FX 9590 which is a 8 core 4.5-5.0 ghz processor (I do believe it is the most powerful in ghz processor available) but it's about 440 AUD with a asus Sabertooth 990 fx R2.0 which is about 245 AUD and it looks nice!

 

In total amd build - 800 AUD :smile:

 

Now then onto the truth, I am saying all these parts to you amd and intel because I have used them but the truth is if you really want a beast of a gaming computer it's all about your gpu. If you have a 780ti or r9 290x or anything just about equal then ignore this. But do not buy an expensive CPU if you need the money to buy a very good GPU. Same goes for RAM. Do not waste money buying 2400mhz ram for gaming! you want lower speeds with more latency.

 

So all in all I'd say if you have a brilliant GPU go for one of my options either Intel or AMD it's upto you same for your cooling.

 

All in all it's upto you :smile: Hope I helped anything else? Let me know.

Edited January 6, 2014 by SunnyDelight

[Werne]

DO NOT LISTEN TO THE THINGS SAID ABOUT AMD THEY ARE EQUAL

No, AMD and Intel CPUs are very different. Intel does up to 50% more work per cycle compared to AMD Piledrivers (except FX 9590, that thing is on-par with i7-3770K in per-core but uses nearly 250W). In the <$1000 range Intel CPUs only have 4 cores and 4 virtual threads making the i7 3770K roughly equal to an AMD FX 8350 when it comes to full CPU utilization, that much is true (not in floating point operations though). If you use less than 8 threads however, like most games still do, Intel will run them faster unless you're GPU bottlenecked.

 

The "AMD is equal to Intel" sentence comes into effect with VSync when a difference between 60FPS and 60FPS is none. A lot of games will run at 60FPS on either platform (like Skyrim), some on the other hand won't run on AMD well without overclocking (Starcraft 2 pops into mind).

 

It also all depends on what the machine will be used for - Intel CPUs are better for 3D modeling (single-threaded tasks) and precise computing operations due to better per-core performance, newer instructions and more precise cycles but are generally expensive. AMD CPUs are better at memory-heavy tasks like software compiling, decoding and rendering due to eight integer cores and are generally much cheaper (excluding the FX-9xxx lineup).

 

So yeah, for gaming I'd recommend an unlocked i7 for that amount of cash, maybe not the i7-4820K but if he has money he's free to take it. Haswell/IB may be a bit harder to cool compared to FX-series (regardless of the large power draw on the FX 8xxx CPUs) but it don't matter none with high-end air coolers like Noctua NH-D14 and Thermalright SE-E or closed water loops with 240/360 rads (which can be bought in a $3000 budget). If the budget was $1000 or less, then I'd say go for the AMD to afford a better card, but not in a $3000 build.

Edited January 6, 2014 by Werne

[FMod]

1. the purpose for the PC is for gaming. im on a gaming laptop, that does and doesnt want to play games ATM. i want something a bit more stable (the laptop shuts down after an hour of gaming on any game i try to play (managed to get a blue screen when playing Divinity:Dragon Commander).

OK.

This is achievable with a lot less expense.

I'm usually the one to suggest people to spend more and not less, but in this particular instance I don't think you'll be able to extract benefit out of the extra expense.

 

From the stated goals, I just think you'll be as happy with a bog-standard i7-4770, Asus Z87-A, 2x8GB DDR3-1600, GTX780Ti and a 480 or 512GB SSD as you will with a more complicated system. Actually, you'll probably be happier with them, because it will involve less effort on your part. Or, since you won't be overclocking or using iGPU, even Xeon E3-1240v3.

 

Unless you can spell out why exactly do you need LGA2011, and what exactly in LGA1150 is not suited for your purposes, the latter is just the better choice.

It's easier to buy, it's going to work out of the box (you may need an old CPU for BIOS updates on LGA2011 boards except for X79-Deluxe), it's compatible with every cooler, and it's actually faster at stock clock.

 

LGA1150 systems with single GPU outnumber X79 ones by, IDK, probably 50 to 1, which means there's 50 times as many people who can help you if something's wrong; and there's much less likelihood of anything being wrong in the first place.

 

 

 

oh, ok. what about system water cooling? ive heard of that, as well as CPU water cooling. im not sure what they are. im really bad when it comes to anything that comes to computers...

That's why you shouldn't touch water cooling beyond something as simple as Corsair H100i or H110. Anything more advanced is enthusiast territory. You do one thing wrong and get bubbles or leaks and it's bad or very bad.

 

 

It's not even a matter of saving money, but a matter of sticking with what's easier to use and what everyone has.

[hoofhearted4]

as FMod said, dont go with water cooling. its not for beginners.

 

to answer your question though, System Watercooling is when the entire system is watercooled; CPU and GPU and sometimes even the RAM and the Northbridge of the mobo, sometimes more....CPU cooling is just the CPU. and if thats all youre going to do, an H100i or equivalent will suit you just fine, and you cant really mess that up, as its closed loop (meaning you cant add water or anything) and it needs no maintenance.

[rochund]

Maxiuim PC runs issue on building and testing on PC parts with suggestions for types and price of PCs to build. Good referance.