Heavy lag - Oblivion thing?

[kubikiri]

Oblivion is running at a stable 60FPS on my RTX card, yet it feels very laggy whenever my character moves.

Is this an Oblivion thing? Incompatibility on modern hardware/software? I haven't play this game for too long I honestly can't remember how it runs back in the days.

Edited September 28, 2023 by kubikiri

[Oblivionaddicted]

Load order?

Very high resolution replacer textures?

[RomanR]

With thal little info I can't give a sure answer. Assuming your system is win 10, for a start I would try to some things:

 

1. If not already present, install DirecX June2010 SDK. Win 10 doesn't contain native libraries by itself and is using a wrapper to emulate older APIs. At least it should improve compatibility with such old games.

2. In NVidia's Control Panel I would try changes to Oblivion profile: lower the prerendered frames to 1 (I'm using it for old games), enable triple buffering (so drivers will render another frame while waiting to sync with display), switch off CUDA and sub-process optimization (for such old games these are not needed).

 

If a lag is followed by drop off FPS, there are multiple factors like codecs used or sound enchancing SW, system overhead (CPU and disk mainly) etc.

 

Edit: For now I leave mods topic open, as there's no info about them either.

Edited September 28, 2023 by RomanR

[kubikiri]

Load order?

Very high resolution replacer textures?

It's a really old mod list haven't been modified since around 2015.

 

Oblivion.esm

Hair Style Master.esm

FFRace.esm

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm

TamrielTravellers.esm

Kvatch Rebuilt.esm

mpc.esm

x117race.esm

Slim.esm

ItemMergedMaster.esm

tes4-CHS-main.esp

FastTravelDoubleFaceFix.esp

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

tes4SI-CHS-alpha.esp

Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp

MOBS SI.esp

MOBS SI Optional Combat Settings.esp

tes4-CHS-Addon.esp

PTAutumnTrees.esp

Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp

Atmospheric Oblivion.esp

PCSoundInnocent.esp

IlluminationWithin.esp

AliveWaters.esp

AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp

AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp

Moist - Gate Room.esp

More Effective Enchantments.esp

Maigrets House Cats.esp

Maigrets Battle Dogs - Rocky and Spike.esp

Dialogue Idles.esp

personality_idles2.esp

PTFallingStars.esp

Enhanced Economy.esp

DS Time Manager.esp

FormID Finder4.esp

Spell Delete And Item Remove.esp

Hotkey Pro.esp

DLCHorseArmor.esp

DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCOrrery.esp

DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCVileLair.esp

DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCSpellTomes.esp

DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp

EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp

MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp

Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp

CapesandCloaks.esp

Ethereal - Armor Imperial Legion Edition AR.esp

KDClothCirclets.esp

samurai.esp

Command Mount.esp

DLCThievesDen.esp

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp

FarmAnimalsofCyrodiil.esp

TamrielTravellers.esp

ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp

BOO Standard Overhaul.esp

AkaviriSamuraiShop.esp

BHC_Expanded.esp

EM_RedRoseManor.esp

EM_Packdonkeys.esp

Fighters Guild Quests.esp

NWICHouse.esp

ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - All the Districts - Merged.esp

ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Castles - All The Castles - Merged.esp

Kvatch Rebuilt.esp

Mages Guild Quests.esp

The Imperial Water.esp

Region Revive - Lake Rumare.esp

LakeRumare+ASS_GOKANPatch.esp

Snow Dragon Temple v1.0.esp

StopDarkBrotherhood.esp

Temple District Repaired.esp

Elder Council Plugin 1.1.esp

Tobes_house.esp

Tona's_ModsStore.esp

DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp

BrumaMGRestored.esp

Knights.esp

Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp

EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp

More Effective Enchantments Knights.esp

DLC_MOBS.esp

ACharmingTown.esp

PTMudwater.esp

ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp

Sutch Village.esp

Better Dungeons.esp

BFG's Open All the Gates.esp

EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp

GuildAdvancement.esp

ImprovedWaterfrontShips.esp

Live at Gweden Farm.esp

RedBag - Friendly Animals.esp

Respawning Varla & Welkynd Stones.esp

RMDailyIncomeV2.esp

tbskGuardsFeatures.esp

Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp

Basic Primary Needs.esp

Remove Extra Data.esp

SetEssentialActors.esp

kuerteeMagickaBasedEnchantmentLimits.esp

Oblivion XP.esp

CTAddPose_osr1.esp

CTAddPose_osr2.esp

CTAddPose_osr3.esp

CTAddPose_Le01.esp

CTAddPose_Le02.esp

CTAddPose_Ordinary.esp

CTAddPose_OTpair2.esp

CTAddPose_2ch_(Hentai).esp

CTAddPose_Dsk(erori-2)Pose.esp

CTAddPose_Mfeth.esp

Slave in pose.esp

Slave in pose2.esp

actors_in_charge.esp

ActorsInMadness.esp

ActorsInEmotions.esp

77_Umpa_Animation.esp

EFGAddPose.esp

Chain it!.esp

Dungeon Poses 1.1.esp

NaRae Pose - 01.esp

NaRae Pose - 02.esp

shinyEmotions.esp

SexyWitchPoses.esp

Specialanims.esp

DremoraFemales.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Sheogorath Eye.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp

x117race.esp

City Life-x117.esp

From2chLivesMOON.esp

Xmas.esp

OblivionReloaded.esp

 

 

With thal little info I can't give a sure answer. Assuming your system is win 10, for a start I would try to some things:

 

1. If not already present, install DirecX June2010 SDK. Win 10 doesn't contain native libraries by itself and is using a wrapper to emulate older APIs. At least it should improve compatibility with such old games.

2. In NVidia's Control Panel I would try changes to Oblivion profile: lower the prerendered frames to 1 (I'm using it for old games), enable triple buffering (so drivers will render another frame while waiting to sync with display), switch off CUDA and sub-process optimization (for such old games these are not needed).

 

If a lag is followed by drop off FPS, there are multiple factors like codecs used or sound enchancing SW, system overhead (CPU and disk mainly) etc.

 

Edit: For now I leave mods topic open, as there's no info about them either.

 

DX runtime already installed.

While running the game at 60FPS, my GPU fan doesn't even bother spinning, so there is no overheat either.

And the frame rate isn't dropping, the game just...lags. Or stutter might be a more precise word.

[kubikiri]

No I can't believe it. I'm totally wrong.

While GPU usage is about 40%, the FPS of the game is about 30. The game didn't even bother running. Or the GPU didn't even bother running. Or both.

And the game UI behaves weirdly under 4K resolution too. It only occupies about 2560*1440 pixel of entire screen.

[RomanR]

It's quite question if such old game is even capable to run in such big resolutions, even if componets in your computer would handle such old game easily. Also don't forget that Oblivion isn't a multicore game. It mostly utilizes 2 cores and as I tried to measure it, one core is utilized at about 50 through 75 percent, while other is about 33 - 45. This is what I saw using standard process viewer on my old Win 7.

 

Can you measure CPU usage while running Oblivion to what cores are utilized and if one goes to 100%? In my case I measured it by running Oblivion as windowed in 1024x768 and with process viewer opened beside it, so I could see graphs for every core.

 

Still as I mentioned earlier, the problem could be anywhere else, beginning with Oblivion's incompatibility with newer desktop features (what happens if you try to run Oblivion as Admin in fullscreen?), power management problems and ending with background processes eating your entire power (updating or similar) or unstable component or bad driver slowing down your system, as Windows must handle errors it creates. Such problems can be hard to diagnose, even for experienced users.

Edited September 28, 2023 by RomanR

[Oblivionaddicted]

Oblivion reloaded is known to cause all sorts of problems, you should probably better uninstall it.

 

 

What do you use to sort your load order?

Edited October 29, 2023 by Oblivionaddicted

[kubikiri]

It's quite question if such old game is even capable to run in such big resolutions, even if componets in your computer would handle such old game easily. Also don't forget that Oblivion isn't a multicore game. It mostly utilizes 2 cores and as I tried to measure it, one core is utilized at about 50 through 75 percent, while other is about 33 - 45. This is what I saw using standard process viewer on my old Win 7.

 

Can you measure CPU usage while running Oblivion to what cores are utilized and if one goes to 100%? In my case I measured it by running Oblivion as windowed in 1024x768 and with process viewer opened beside it, so I could see graphs for every core.

 

Still as I mentioned earlier, the problem could be anywhere else, beginning with Oblivion's incompatibility with newer desktop features (what happens if you try to run Oblivion as Admin in fullscreen?), power management problems and ending with background processes eating your entire power (updating or similar) or unstable component or bad driver slowing down your system, as Windows must handle errors it creates. Such problems can be hard to diagnose, even for experienced users.

 

The game runs perfectly smooth on my older computer back then which has weaker CPU and GPU. I think is a software issue.

 

Oblivion reloaded is known to cause all sorts of problems, you should probably better uninstall it.

 

 

What do you use to your load order?

 

I use BOSS with some custom rules for sorting mods. It looks messy by today's standards, but was perfect fine when I was playing the game.

 

Anyway, sorry for the late reply. I was building my first Skyrim AE modlist recently.

After that's done, I plan to update my Oblivion modlist (which is actually over ten years old), hopefully solving performance and UI problems.

Thanks, and I'll update this post after the modlist is done (may take a while).