The Sex Balance in Diamond City - Let's face it, it's off (SOLVED)

[363rdChemicalCompany]

(EDIT: Sex imbalance SOLVED, how? Please see post on 3rd page, now to the original post and problem set:)

When you add the men who are guarding the city outside, plus the plethora on men in the inside you have quite a few men.

But women, very few ( I am not counting children and elderly females)

Including Piper, the Mayors secretary, Myrna a few other named denizens of town and a few unnamed I came to only about a dozen women that appear to be of dating/mating age.

This balance was even worse after I installed More Diamond City Security mod.

Now there are 21 men patrolling the outside (which is really the bare minimum all things considered)

This doesnt make sense given that Diamond City is, by wastelanbds standards, that shining City on the hill, and such towns in a real human world both historical and current will atttract a lot of young women  hoping to find work in any niche or a man.

The DC population should actually have a slight female majority for these reasons. Even totdy when you have a wealthy town, surrounded by a poor countryside the women from those areas will be drawn to that town. Too many real world examples to list, I trust everyone here lives in the real world, understands this and has no beef with this reality getting mentioned.

So how to get more women into the town?

I have long favored Diamond City Expansion, which adds more people all around (balanced male/fem) and the red seat certainly has extra women as well, bartenders, dancers and sex workers. Also the greater population increases Diamond City's taxbase to pay for wall infrastructure maintenance and security forces in a more plasuible way.

But Diamond City expansion is one of the most finicky mods I have, I very often have issues with it , you just breathe wrong on it and makes walkways all over town disappear and even a couple city blocks get nuked outside. This is the most unimmersive s.-show. and unstalling it , while fixing DC usually leaves the flickering and disappeared landscape still acting up outside.

So i rarely dare use it and especially not after spending basically every free minute in past few days to make a well modded game run and not blow on my new laptop.

Another alternative is HoC, Hookers of the Commonwealth which is a standalone. they populate DC ( and GN), even though due to the clothes they wear they dont display the bodyslide I like and instead sport these extremely skinny starvation survivor bodies, I suppose to could try to console command them new clothes, like I do weapons and armor with the DC Guards (poor guys look ridic otherwise). Also I find their dialogue a bit off putting.

In previous games via amaxzing followr tweaks I even made them setters before but they would not sport the usual settlers dialogue or let me freely trade wkith them. I do not recall if they were assignable to tasks.

BUt mostly i just want to give DC a realistically size female population, give its status as wealthiest town of the wastes it should be crawling with young women, who are Looking for greater security than their home farms or a  life of sleeping in a ditch dodging mole rats  offers.

Maybe the noodle stand could use a english speaking waitress to help the robot, the Dugout Inn can replace one of the owners with a barmaid (so owners dont work 24/7), Arturo could have a wife and an older daughter inside his house, the security office could have a secretary etc etc. Would be ncie if there was a mod for such beefing up of female Population.

Or a mod so one could spawn some.

I cant use the console commands to "spawn female settler" because its not a workshop settlement. My apt has a workshop but there is little point to that.

So Short of DC expansion/Redseat or HoC is there any mod out there i can use the increase the female population of DC? 

PS:I am not looking for romantic opportunities for my hero (he has plenty of those in his settelments, due to some , ahem, immersion mods ) but mainly for  immersion/realism in DC and to an extend in GN.

PS2: I have no beef with the Devs making all the DC security and the neighborhood watch and the Triggermen, well men,  it's a human archetype, so I am not Looking for a mod that makes those forces co -ed, to create the balance that way.

[Karna5]

Hi, 363rd. Have you tried the Hot Mama Murphy series? I used it for years, and for several play throughs I had it change nearly all NPCs to women. It's quite good and has many variations.

I haven't used it the last few years because I've made my own plugins. You know that drug dealer in Diamond City? I forgot his name, but the old man? I turned him into a very good looking woman *Laughs* Though I may eventually restore him.

There's a mod called Face Ripper which I highly recommend if you don't already use it. I use this combined with FO4Edit to change any NPCs I want to anything I want. You can take a LooksMenu preset or an NPC from any save file or an NPC from any plugin and replace an existing NPC. The FO4Edit is also used to change the sex (and walk) of NPCs as needed.

As I said, I started with the Hot Mama Murphy series of changes but long since just made my own swaps and changes.

I also have a zillion mods which add prisoners and slaves I rescue, and I'm not sure which one sends the freed prisoners to Diamond City, but I often have a crowd of freed female prisoners lurking in the market. I'm not sure if it's Family Planning, Dairy Framework, Problems of Survivor or tons of other mods, but my Diamond city is fairly well balanced. I deliberately keep my DC Guards male, though, because in my game they're bad guys. They're villainous, chauvinistic, rapist, evil people who from time to time need to be murdered. Also some playthroughs I go through the Commonwealth Slavers mod which gives a phenomenally good storyline to the guards (I won't give spoilers, but it's downright poetical if you get to the end of the story).

Anyway, I think you'd enjoy starting off with the Hot Mama Murphy series and gradually replacing it with your own Face Ripper and FO4Edit changes

p.s. And I forgot to mention Crime and Punishment, Sexual Harassment and a few other mods (such as possibly Magno Cum Guadio and Problems of Survivor) which give story lines to several of the NPCs in Diamond City. If you haven't tried those mods, they're extremely good.

p.p.s. Oh and even Nuka Ride mod includes story lines with NPCs in Diamond City. That's a fantastic mod as well, and it's made me have to try hard to hold tears in real life from time to time the writing is so good.

 

[363rdChemicalCompany]

On 3/16/2024 at 9:51 PM, Karna5 said:

Hi, 363rd. Have you tried the Hot Mama Murphy series? I used it for years, and for several play throughs I had it change nearly all NPCs to women. It's quite good and has many variations.

I haven't used it the last few years because I've made my own plugins. You know that drug dealer in Diamond City? I forgot his name, but the old man? I turned him into a very good looking woman *Laughs* Though I may eventually restore him.

There's a mod called Face Ripper which I highly recommend if you don't already use it. I use this combined with FO4Edit to change any NPCs I want to anything I want. You can take a LooksMenu preset or an NPC from any save file or an NPC from any plugin and replace an existing NPC. The FO4Edit is also used to change the sex (and walk) of NPCs as needed.

As I said, I started with the Hot Mama Murphy series of changes but long since just made my own swaps and changes.

I also have a zillion mods which add prisoners and slaves I rescue, and I'm not sure which one sends the freed prisoners to Diamond City, but I often have a crowd of freed female prisoners lurking in the market. I'm not sure if it's Family Planning, Dairy Framework, Problems of Survivor or tons of other mods, but my Diamond city is fairly well balanced. I deliberately keep my DC Guards male, though, because in my game they're bad guys. They're villainous, chauvinistic, rapist, evil people who from time to time need to be murdered. Also some playthroughs I go through the Commonwealth Slavers mod which gives a phenomenally good storyline to the guards (I won't give spoilers, but it's downright poetical if you get to the end of the story).

Anyway, I think you'd enjoy starting off with the Hot Mama Murphy series and gradually replacing it with your own Face Ripper and FO4Edit changes

 

Thank you for the references and I will be sure to check it out, justglanced at thet link.

My competencies go only so far, FOE4 edit is not emong them, part of me doesnt even want to understand the inner workings of this universe on my computer too well as I feel it will remove some of the magic.

I can use SLM on (unique of Course) NPCs to beautify them and spawn female settlers in workshops (or make them via another mod that produces them unique even better). 

You mention the ability to replace some individuals with different sex and it sounds tempting. I did liked the dealer in Hotel rexford as a male (since he does chemistry and drug dealing two professions almost completely performed by men today and likely into the future as well).

Not really looking for a "female takeover" kind of direction though or a "men are bad" slant. Just more balance for this large town. SOme factions can and should be all or nearly all male IMO such as Raiders, Gunners, Brotherhood and Minutemen as they persue the male archetypes of power, violence, raiding and protecing respectively.

If anyting I'd like to replace all female raiders bosses with men for more plausibility.

But a civlian town full of ciitzens should not be all men, quite the contrary (for reasons mentioned above).

I am familiar with Commonwealth Captives and use this to feed girls to my settlements (where i run Better settlers set to 80% male since i know i can refill almost at will with girls via Commonwealth Captives, as there is always one more Super mutant or Raider camp that needs taken to be raided.

I played Depravity before which adds a lot of beautiful women to Concord, GN (Hotel Rexford) and other locations. But I wanted to keep my mod order light and simple on this playthrough since finally nothing is blowing up on me, and Depravity is huge and script heavy. I still might add it to the game in progress though since adding things is generally less risky than taking them away. But this still does not solve my balance issue in DC.

I just freed some girls from Hardware town and released them in front of Diamond city and they went through the gate but as always they just disapperar and not add to the population.

If there was a mod to add them to DC, I would be VERY VERY interested in that. It would solve the issue . (I have done human resources before as well, but I dont think it has a mechanism for me to sell girls in DC to make it more balanced does it? Also I usually stop playing HR in short order because I feel too sorry for the victims)

 

Have you ever played Boston Breeder? One of the best quests is Jamaica plain settlement looking for help and using its feminity to attract said Help, but its so short of attractive women I thought it was unrealistic ,so I  used commonwealth captives to put  another 15-20 girls in it ,so everyone's decisions make more sense.

[Karna5]

4 minutes ago, 363rdChemicalCompany said:

I am familiar with Commonwealth Captives and use this to feed girls to my settlements

I used Commonwealth Captives for a while as well, but it overpopulated my settlements, so I no longer use it. There's a mod author called JB. who wrote two amazing DLC-sized quest mods (or bigger) called Nuka Ride and Commonwealth Slavers. I won't give details because I don't want to spoil the stories, and his character development and nuances is incredible, but in short:

a) Commonwealth Slavers you come out of the vault and are captured and sent to work in a very brutal whorehouse, but the story is actually way more complex than that and evolves into some amazing writing, as good as almost any novel, and

b) Nuka Ride, in which you get involved with a Porn Studio in Nuka World, and it has a zillion offshoots of adventures and characters many of which are utterly amazing.

With regard to FO4Edit, I do suggest you at least check out some of the Hot Mama Murphy plugins (they don't all replace males with females). The main thing that might do for you is that if you do get interested in changing some of your own NPCs, looking at that mod is a good tutorial for what needs to change. Face Ripper is, of course, a big part of it. If you ever try face ripper and have questions, just let me know. It can be confusing at first.

As for Boston Breeder, no, I didn't try it. I use Family Planning and Dairy Framework which I like tremendously, and I get the idea that Boston Breeder might compete with those, so I just left it alone. Thanks for the tip, though

[363rdChemicalCompany]

1 minute ago, Karna5 said:

I used Commonwealth Captives for a while as well, but it overpopulated my settlements, so I no longer use it. There's a mod author called JB. who wrote two amazing DLC-sized quest mods (or bigger) called Nuka Ride and Commonwealth Slavers. I won't give details because I don't want to spoil the stories, and his character development and nuances is incredible, but in short:

a) Commonwealth Slavers you come out of the vault and are captured and sent to work in a very brutal whorehouse, but the story is actually way more complex than that and evolves into some amazing writing, as good as almost any novel, and

b) Nuka Ride, in which you get involved with a Porn Studio in Nuka World, and it has a zillion offshoots of adventures and characters many of which are utterly amazing.

With regard to FO4Edit, I do suggest you at least check out some of the Hot Mama Murphy plugins (they don't all replace males with females). The main thing that might do for you is that if you do get interested in changing some of your own NPCs, looking at that mod is a good tutorial for what needs to change. Face Ripper is, of course, a big part of it. If you ever try face ripper and have questions, just let me know. It can be confusing at first.

As for Boston Breeder, no, I didn't try it. I use Family Planning and Dairy Framework which I like tremendously, and I get the idea that Boston Breeder might compete with those, so I just left it alone. Thanks for the tip, though

Thank you for the tips.

As for your last sentence I have used all 3 together just with a little bit of care via the MCM. Actually FP Redux IMHO should be recommended to go along with BB since the functionalities are complementary even though BB was published well before AAF and FP (which is why scenes are accompanied with notifications, in the original BB notifications is all you would have gotten).

Right now these sex oriented mods are not my playstyle anymore but still remember a few things from it.

[363rdChemicalCompany]

PS: I have never once used the functionalities in wasteland dairy other than looking the WLD comic books I found. The concept is very amusing but in the end it seems like a lot of work.

[Karna5]

Just now, 363rdChemicalCompany said:

PS: I have neveronce used the functionalities in wasteland dairy other than looking the WLD comic books I found. the concept is very amusing but in the end its a lot of work.

What I specifically like about Dairy Framework is it allows for an almost entirely non-combat playthrough. The first time you lose to nearly any type of monster, there's a setting to make it so that it forever becomes non-hostile to you if you are impregnated by it. This means you can wander the wasteland eventually not attacked by ghouls, insects, yao guai, mirelurks, scorpions super mutants, synths, etcetera. You eventually achieve a world in which only the humans and robots are hostile to you, and the monsters often fight on your side in random battles overland.

Having played way over 10 thousand hours of Fallout 4, I'm really not interested in fighting monsters. I like to explore, make films, and from time to tome wipe out raider dens and gunner armies with stealth. I even have my game modified so that I receive 10x damage (20x vs my head) and at high levels have my maximum hit points reduced by 1500. My battles are sudden and brutal and generally rely on stealth and speed, or even with neck snapping (Crime and Punishment mod) and grenades in pockets (vanilla stealth).

That's actually kind of another reason I never tried Boston Breeder. I also don't really care about the sex mods themselves. I do care about how they can change the game, either with nuanced story telling (like JB's mods or Problems of Survivor or the like) or by eliminating the need to fight everything.

[South8028]

Why not just add new female npcs to Diamond City?.. If they fit in this rat hole, then why not? But no matter how you look at it, Diamond City is not a city. This is a stadium. The stadium area is ~12k meters. This is an area of ~8 small dacha plots. ~8 pre-war families could live there, with a maximum of ~50 people. I think people wouldn't be able to live there even after the bgs apocalypse. Because the basis of survival is farming. All the characters in Boston need something to eat. It is logical that people would band together in large communes for safety and would engage in farming. Small towns would appear, like in the wild west. 100-500 houses and large fields fenced with barbed wire, horse patrols. Bars, brothels, banks... Civilization. Well, if the rules of the game world followed logic.

[363rdChemicalCompany]

2 hours ago, South8028 said:

Why not just add new female npcs to Diamond City?.. If they fit in this rat hole, then why not? But no matter how you look at it, Diamond City is not a city. This is a stadium. The stadium area is ~12k meters. This is an area of ~8 small dacha plots. ~8 pre-war families could live there, with a maximum of ~50 people. I think people wouldn't be able to live there even after the bgs apocalypse. Because the basis of survival is farming. All the characters in Boston need something to eat. It is logical that people would band together in large communes for safety and would engage in farming. Small towns would appear, like in the wild west. 100-500 houses and large fields fenced with barbed wire, horse patrols. Bars, brothels, banks... Civilization. Well, if the rules of the game world followed logic.

Your not wrong. But in the game-universe even relatively small garden plots can comfortable feed quite a few people. There are a little over 50 NPC in  the Diamond City faction (counting the troops on patrol) but wll the shops and services they offer the 247 strenght of patrols in and out of town (using the 1 thrid 2 thirds rule, to keep X number of men in the field you need 3 times the unit, to maintian one squad on patrol means you have another waiting to be the oppsite shift ,day/night and a third in training, rest+ refitting/admin)

In summary Diamond City real world with as many shops as this (shopkeepers have families too) security forces etc Diamond City would be a 300-500 people settlement. so in my mind due to game engine limitation each NPC in game settlements really "stands for 6-10 "real world" people. Afetr all in game you cna have settlements of 1-3 people and real world that simply doesnt work in any kind of threat environment. 

But i digress:

Adding female NPCs to Diamond City is exactly what I would like to do. DC Expansion does this but 9 out of 10 times i try to use this mod it not only Breaks DC, but even if disabled breaks the save.I am tired of deleting saves and profiles and then restarting. Hookers of the Commonwealth also  add female NPCs but I dont like their ultra skinny Gulag starvation survivor bodies. 

If I could spawn extra female NPC to DC that would solve my problem ,but I dont know a way to do it. Especially unique ones where i can assign looks from my pool of presets.

(Ideally I could spawn them so they would all have a logical place where they were and look employed like red Seat from Diamond City expansion does, like maybe a 2nd secretary for the mayor, a waitress to help the robot, a couple of extra girls in Dugout Inn and Taphouse especially, a couple stanidng around in the market etc. But at this point I will take any female addtion to DC even if they just wander aimlessly about)

[Karna5]

9 minutes ago, 363rdChemicalCompany said:

Ideally I could spawn them so they would all have a logical place where they were and look employed like red Seat from Diamond City expansion does, like maybe a 2nd secretary for the mayor, a waitress to help the robot, a couple of extra girls in Dugout Inn and Taphouse especially, a couple stanidng around in the market etc. But at this point I will take any female addtion to DC even if they just wander aimlessly about

While Problems of Survivor does add a few NPCs to Diamond City, and while Wasteland Dairy Framework's slaves you free head to the Diamond City Market, your comment above reminded me of another thing which might help by using a combination of Family Planning Redux and Magno Cum Gaudio.

As you know, if an NPC has a child who grows to an adult in Diamond City area, that grown adult just sits around, hanging out as a new NPC with no real job to do.

You can then, if you wish, use Magno Cum Gaudio's tool menu dialogue to send the grown adult to the settlement of your choice.

Likewise the AAF Autonomy Enhanced mod can get the Diamond City denizens to make their own babies while you're visiting, and they can grow into adults without your intervention.

If you want a natural way to have jobless adults at Diamond City without having to add them through FO4Edit or special mods, there are combinations of existing mods which can achieve that.

You can also set Family Planning Redux to have mostly female babies (I set mine to 85% female, 15% male).