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I can't get the Grimsever quest from Mjoll.


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I don't know what the heck is going on. I've tried everything. I've done every quest I can in Riften, became Thane, haven't aligned with the Thieves guild, and waited a week in the game, but Mjoll still won't give me the quest to get Grimsever for her. I have no mods affecting the quest or the vanilla dialogue options Mjoll provides. Also, I'm level 48, so I should be at a high enough level for it because you should unlock the quest at 15 or somewhere around there. I've tried leveling up in front of her, but that did nothing because that's only a fix for consoles and not PC (at least, that's what the guide said. I tried it anyway for the benefit of the doubt).

Is there a way to fix this, or is there no hope?

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59 minutes ago, 7531Leonidas said:

In the console, type getstage FreeformRiften09, hit return, and see what the result is.  If you have any other Radiant/FreeformRiften quests active, it might not start, kind of like Ysolda's quest in Whiterun.

There is an article on the UESP.wiki ( https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim_talk:Grimsever's_Return ).  Look and see.

I did it, and it said GetStage >> 0.00. However, I do have some minor side missions in Riften. Does that mean I have to complete all of them to see if I can get Mjoll's quest?

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Well, that means that the quest is hung up before it even starts, as you thought, and not stuck at some later stage.  Make sure to use the "getrelationshiprank" console command after clicking on her in the console, to see if she is not wanting to talk to you.  Have you tried going to Mzinchaleft and picking up Grimsever anyways, then speaking to Mjoll? 

The article I linked to said that the setstage command would not work, but you could try it - "setstage FreeformRiften09 10".  Similarly, you could try the "resetquest" console command in place of the getstage command I showed you earlier.  I suggest that you make a save immediately before trying either, seeing if one works, then reloading to check the other method, if the first doesn't.  I have no magic bullets to put down this bug, however.

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10 hours ago, 7531Leonidas said:

Have you tried going to Mzinchaleft and picking up Grimsever anyways, then speaking to Mjoll? 

I tried that, but the sword wasn't there. I need to start the quest for it to spawn.

According to the getrelationshiprank, she's an acquaintance, so I'm not a bad guy to her. Also, the other commands did nothing. 

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Well, I don't have any more ideas, unless there is some sort of magic command to force Mzinchaleft to refresh its contents and spawn Grimsever.  According to the article you can try to spawn Grimsever in by console command.

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24 minutes ago, 7531Leonidas said:

Well, I don't have any more ideas, unless there is some sort of magic command to force Mzinchaleft to refresh its contents and spawn Grimsever.  According to the article you can try to spawn Grimsever in by console command.

This quest has always given me issues. I fixed it once before, but I don't remember how.

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The problem is Story Manager acting up.    It is supposed to start run the quest FreeFormRiften09 (5331C)  when player level reaches 14 (defined in a global) 

This quest is the one responsible for spawning Grimsever at its start stage (10), and  the corresponding dialogue options for Mjoll check this quest stage.     The problem is that the quest does not start.     And since this quest is tied to 'Increase Level' event in story manager, it cannot be started by any other means.    Not via console, not via script.   I.e. I tried creating a small mod that adds a generic dialogue option to Mjoll to start this quest, and it gives an error that cannot use script to start a story manager quest.

The quest flow is:
Start stage - 10 - triggered by SM increase level (14+) - enables Grimsever ref at its location.     Which means that once player is 14+ , he should be able to find Grimsever in Mzinchaleft even if he never talked to Mjoll

Player dialogue with Mjoll to ask about Grimsever also depends on which stage that quest is.

Now, I have also tried making my mod change the quest start type, so it is not event related  - but that did not seem to work, even for a new game.    

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Ok, on some further research, I think it is NOT Story Manager acting up.   

Here is the problem.    Quest  DualogueRiftenSS01   (AA0B3)   It is Start Game Enabled,  and it loads Mjoll as an alias, and it RESERVES her as an alias.  It is the 'Scripted north gate scene' where you enter the town and find Mjoll conversing with Aerin about Blackbriar family.   This quest claims Mjoll as a 'Reserved' alias, which generally means other quests can't load her as an alias.    Unless they flag the alias as 'Allow reserved'.    Which FreeformRiften09 quest (Grimsever's Return) does not.    

Once the scripted scene plays out, the quest ends, and Mjoll is no longer loaded as its alias.     Now one thing I am not sure about is whether SM will re-attempt to start the quest on next level increase if it previously failed...

Long story short:   if you enter Riften before hitting level 14,  the Mjoll/Aerin scene plays out, and then, once you hit 14, Grimsever's return is started via SM.    If you hit lvl 14 before entering Riften, Mjoll is still locked as an alias in the scene quest and Grimsever quest will fail to start.   What I am not sure about is whether SM will re-attempt to run the quest on further level increases or not.    Judging from OP's post, it does not.

What you COULD try:    on console, run command:  setstage DialogueRiftenSS01 200   - this will kill the scene quest.   Then try leveling and see if you get the quest.   If not:

I created a mod that essentially replicates the quest, allows reserved on Mjoll alias.    How it works:    Once you do the initial chat with Mjoll, if the vanilla quest failed to start, there will be a 'can I ask you a question' dialogue option - that will ask the alternate quest.   

MjollGrimseverFix.7z

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