Mod to spare Benny without being an idiot?

[tnu]

9 hours ago, JimboUK said:

9 hours ago, JimboUK said:

Everything that happens is in line with Benny's character, I'm not saying that you can't reimagine him but as he's written what unfolds makes perfect sense, he really is a nasty piece of work, he cut the throat of his old boss then poisoned the Singer and Chance before the game even starts, and diplomacy isn't going to work on him, we know that because if you try to discuss things with him he'll ask you to wait in the presidential suite and then send goons in to kill you. 

Player agency is important but characters staying in character is also important, the alliance between House and the Brotherhood was cut from the game because it's not the sort of thing someone like House would ever agree to, it's a good example of sacrificing player agency to keep characters consistent.  

Making the changes you suggest would be possible but it would be a ton of work and for what? players don't have to kill him and this is the first time I've ever heard anyone complain about the player character being tricked by Benny, the guy is supposed to be charismatic and the player character at that point in the game is inexperienced and naive. 

 

If the idea doesn’t resonate with you and you choose not to support it, that’s completely fine—I’m not here to force anyone. Participation in this thread is entirely voluntary. If you strongly dislike the concept or disagree with me for proposing it, you’re free to step away at any time. However, I don’t see the value in constantly criticizing my request or trying to discourage me at every opportunity. Constructive feedback is welcome, but negativity without purpose doesn’t help anyone.

Edited February 25 by tnu

[tnu]

On 2/24/2025 at 12:59 AM, laclongquan said:

You are refuting with all your mind the preconditioned background design of Benny. Despite we telling you about his importance.

You want to change his importance? Fine, it's your right as a player or modder do have. We wont argue about that. Technically, I support your effort to accomplish that. Hell, Dust project redefine Courier Six's personality and achievement, after all, and I am an avid fan of Dust. OR Tale of Two Wasteland incorporate DC content, which provide Courier Six with a fixed past/beginning. Again, I am an avid player and modder of TTW.

But to support your idea will need many extra, additional writings to change Benny's position in the dialog/stories/characters.

Can you spend your effort to do that? Cause we wont do it for you. You are not a patron paying commission for others to accomplish your ideas after all. (I have never accepted commissions before so this route also closed to you).

I kindly urge you to refrain from your efforts to vilify me. If the idea I’ve presented doesn’t resonate with you, there are numerous options available on this page to exit the thread rather than contributing unproductive criticism and unnecessary negativity. Constructive dialogue is always welcome, but baseless discouragement only detracts from meaningful conversation. Let’s focus on fostering a more positive and productive exchange.

[JimboUK]

4 hours ago, tnu said:

If the idea doesn’t resonate with you and you choose not to support it, that’s completely fine—I’m not here to force anyone. Participation in this thread is entirely voluntary. If you strongly dislike the concept or disagree with me for proposing it, you’re free to step away at any time. However, I don’t see the value in constantly criticizing my request or trying to discourage me at every opportunity. Constructive feedback is welcome, but negativity without purpose doesn’t help anyone.

If you only want to hear from people who agree with you I suggest you state that in your OP, and I never disagreed with you proposing it, I merely gave my opinion on it. 

[laclongquan]

:Sniff: You are not seeing me vilifying you yet, thin-skin. I am known to be quite vexing and this is just not even a warmup.

But fine, as I never plan to play sycophant to your ideas anyway, I will refrain from reappearing in this thread.

Edited Wednesday at 07:27 PM by laclongquan

[ShadowSOSA]

I can think of one logical enough scenario (which would need a mod) where the courier takes the platinum chip after having sex with benny without killing him. Idk if the platinum chip can be pickpocketed. Afterwards benny and his ragtag team of assassins can try to kill you i guess.

[tnu]

On 2/26/2025 at 2:26 PM, laclongquan said:

:Sniff: You are not seeing me vilifying you yet, thin-skin. I am known to be quite vexing and this is just not even a warmup.

But fine, as I never plan to play sycophant to your ideas anyway, I will refrain from reappearing in this thread.

I am no t asking you to "play sycophant". I am asking you  to at least be constructive instead of only telling me that my ideas are terrible  and whatever. Why have you been so hostile towards me this entire thread? Yous tarted wit h accusations against my character right out of the gate. It is not productive or helpful to eit her of us. What has convinced you that I am some evil  monster intent on, or even capable of any of what you accuse me of? What vile monstrous thing did I do to evoke this degree of hostility form you?

Edited Friday at 08:34 AM by tnu

[laclongquan]

You want constructive? You dont like constructive.

Benny has a fixed event, which is shooting Courier Six on the head. This is unchangeable vendetta. Blood Feud. People would understand why you chase after Benny and putting a bullet or two on his head, preferably with his Maria.

Therefore if you leave Benny alive, it will go against human's common understanding: WHY are you going out of your way to leave your deadly enemy alive?

Which is why I said this is central to the whole idea from the beginning. You MUST think of an explaination to this. because otherwise gamers will jump up and down in comment thread. This is FNV, not F3 or F4. We FNV players are known to like coherent quest, dialog, and design.

Nobody ever think of a reason for that, you know? You are not the only one want to rail against main quest event. But nobody ever think of a sufficient reason for that. 

I did, and I am, being constructive. It is just you that unable to understand.

Edited Friday at 12:00 PM by laclongquan

[tnu]

4 hours ago, laclongquan said:

You want constructive? You dont like constructive.

Benny has a fixed event, which is shooting Courier Six on the head. This is unchangeable vendetta. Blood Feud. People would understand why you chase after Benny and putting a bullet or two on his head, preferably with his Maria.

Therefore if you leave Benny alive, it will go against human's common understanding: WHY are you going out of your way to leave your deadly enemy alive?

Which is why I said this is central to the whole idea from the beginning. You MUST think of an explaination to this. because otherwise gamers will jump up and down in comment thread. This is FNV, not F3 or F4. We FNV players are known to like coherent quest, dialog, and design.

Nobody ever think of a reason for that, you know? You are not the only one want to rail against main quest event. But nobody ever think of a sufficient reason for that. 

I did, and I am, being constructive. It is just you that unable to understand.

No, ytou're being quite hostile. As for why I want to do it. There are reasons people would want to do this. Maybe they're going for a pacifist rout or they want to use mods involving Benny like Benny Returns but don't want to be railroaded in to walking in to an obvious ambush and let Benny get away for this to happen. If you are so opposed ot the idea then by all menas ignore the thread just cease your accusations, assertions, and insinuations.

[laclongquan]

Boy, like I said, I dont even ...

Oh, what the hell. Fine, next time dont @ me again or I will have thought that you can take a normal dialog. If you cant take argument, suggestion, or normal discussion, dont @ people. Stay in your chamber of silence.