Eltiraaz Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 Eh. To each his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThetaOrionis01 Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 Name-calling contributes nothing to this discussion. Please re-read the debates forum guidelines. Flame posts edited/removed. Let's keep the debate civilized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamastor Posted September 13, 2003 Author Share Posted September 13, 2003 excuse me but energy has no mass(please dont argue about this) e=mc^2 any amount of mass that is DESTROYED (in kilograms) multiplied by the speed of light squared is equal to the amount of energy CREATED. sure there is a ballance between the two at all times, but the priniciple of consevation of mass/energy is only good for 'normal' situations. i intended this topic for discution of astrophysics etc and not religion vs. science. the latter is pointless becouse neither side will budge, the former is actually productive as the science orientated minds would learn new things (atleast i would) and understand the universe further. im not saying that this little agruement hasnt tought me qutie a bit about the human psiqy but that wasnt my original objective... and by the way the atomic bomb does destroy a handfull of particles(not much) but can still destroy almost everything it hits... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kippls Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 read the hitch hikers guide to the galaxy it tells u the answer to life the universe and everything it is ...........................42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThetaOrionis01 Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 Because of this equation, energy and mass are two states of the same thing. The reason we do not see matter-antimatter particles created spontaneously all the time is that because of the c^2 the energy required to create such a pair of particles is colossal and usually only available in particle accelerators. And particles have to be created as a pair so as not to violate conservation of momentum. During the first moments after the big bang energy levels were high enough for particle/anti-particle pairs to be created...and to annihilate themselves and transform back into energy - so there was a constant change from energy into mass and back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idea assassin Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Matter nor energy can be destroyed. They can be changed, altered, turned into one another, cut apart and glued back together...but they cann't be destroyed or created. Every bit of matter and energy that has ever existed, exists right now. And since I can see the beginnings of a flame-fest in what has been, to this point, a pretty civil discussion on a huge topic...I think I'll take my leave of this particular topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamastor Posted September 14, 2003 Author Share Posted September 14, 2003 idea assasin, by saying that they turn into one another you say that one can be destroyed to create the other. maybe you just dont like the word destroyed, ok, one has to be reduced in amount to allow for more of the other to exist. yes if you were to multiply all existing mass by the speed of light squared and add to that all the existing energy at any one point in time it would be a constant value (acording to present scientific theory), but the actual amount of mass in the univers is changing and there fore so is the amount of energy. now if you want to get really complicated there is speculation into the whole particle/wave duality thing which would make mass and energy the same thing only different if you get my drift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThetaOrionis01 Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Or if you wanted to get even more complicated you could get into Superstring theory, where all elementary particles are just vibrations on tiny strings. The harmonic properties of those strings determine, for instance, the mass and charge of particles... And they are determined by the particular shape the 6 hidden spatial dimensions are curled up as... very complex mathematical shapes called Calabi-Yau (sp?) shapes....the different resonances set up by different Calabi-Yau shapes could produce completely different particles. Superstring theory is a beautiful and elegant theory B) It also predicts the existence of the graviton - the particle which carries the gravitational force. Unfortunately the mass of the graviton is beyond the range of what current generation particle accelerators are capable of producing. Superstring theory offers the possibility of reconciling quantum mechanics with general relativity - and of unifying all 4 fundamental forces. I just love it :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldritch Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 For those of you interested in Calabi-Yau spaces the following gives a little more detail: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Calabi-YauSpace.html Topology and mathematical analysis is good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThetaOrionis01 Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 That page looks interesting. I just wish my brain wouldn't go into spasms and produce the urge to peruse cookery books when confronted with anything mathematical of that complexity. :blink: The bit about the mirror pair was interesting though...all kinds of possible conclusions spring to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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