Level scaling something is wrong....

metaton · June 15, 2014

Hi guys,

I have a rather funny problem.

I am using MO, Bashed patch, SKYRE,

reproccers with it:

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/48629

http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/28467/

ASIS, Dual Sheath redux, SUM.

I have Immersive creatures, Monster mod, Monster wars, High level enemies, high level enemies hardcore mods and bellyaches dragons also Ultimate combat.

What I did:

Made a bashed patch-----> unthicked pre post reproccers, reproccer.esp. Asis stayed on.

On leveled lists (when I rebuild the patch in Wyre bash) I unthicked Skyre level scaling.esp, as they advised on forum as high level enemies will do the scaling anyway.

turned on the bashed patch,

thicked on pre preproccer.esp, reproccer.esp (so everything apart from post reproccer) Started SUM-----> wich did dual sheath redux, asis, skyre.

Then I thicked on Post reproccer.esp

Then I ran FNIS for animations.

Now my problem:

Ingame monsters are too powerful, I had to set difficulty settings to apprentice to have some chances against them.

I recruited Inigo to help me, but he killed all the monsters with one hit (lol) while I am still need like 5-6 hits. They can kill me in 3 hits easily.

I changed Inigo level to 1. (setlevel command console)

I took his weapon and gave him a plain dagger.

My char is level 8, Inigo still a mutant terminator, he is got 50 hp, level1, and still massacres enemies with a plain dagger, basically stealing all of my kills and skill experience. If I leaving him behind then enemies rip me apart.

Then...

I ecountered with a dragon and accidently clicked on it. It was level 20.I ran away, went into a draugr ruins, I hoped it will be easy.

The third enemy was a draugr overlord. level 65!!!!!

I was level 9.

So I don`t know what going on.

I checked high level enemies, and the description says it starts giving higher level enemies at level 10. I am 9 so this mod cannot be the culprit.

Also it says dragons are not included amongst the added high level enemies.

So something clearly made the creatures leveled, and I don`t mind if they some level higher than me but 65???

So obviously either the mod combination is wrong, or I did something wrong when I ran the patch and the reproccers.

What I would like to achieve that would be a balance like this:

I would need a 4 members party to occupy a fort wich is full with bandits, and the fight should be hard( a lot of thinking and good tactics otherwise we would be massacred) but it would be possible to win.

I would not be able to one hit- kill bandits (generally, just the weak ones) they should be 3-4 hits at least bosses at least 15-20 hits and I would be 3-4 hits to kill. Some of them could be weaker (lower level, so one-hit kill) some of them could be more tough 6-7 hits just to keep the variety so combat wouldn`t be boring, and of course the boss should be really tough (not lvl 65 :smile:)

and my followers should be weaker than me, so that means way weaker then the enemies. This is my dream.

Somebody can explain to me what is the right way to do the patch, proccers if I am doing something wrong, please?

Also there is a way to weaken the followers so they won`t act like a killing machine?

Thank you for any help what you can offer:)

Edited June 15, 2014 by metaton

camaro_69_327 · June 15, 2014

my regimine goes like this (well it did tilli was settled on my load out)....

First make sure your list is sorted correctly...

Bashed patch

then

Dynamic patches.

Now since all Dynamic patches are AFTER the bashed patch you do not need to UNtic anything. (i will spoiler my bashed config at end of post.)

Since you use SUM you do not need to UNtic anything.

Create a bashed patch I include everything. (BOSS gives the Tags)

Run SUM ( i haven't been using the post and pre patches they cause issues with the weather sense thingy for wet n cold)

Run FNIS (ran FNIS once, i haven't added anything that would need a second run).

For me SUM runs: duel sheath, AV (automatic variants) and Reproccer.

Part of SkyRe is that you will find areas that are WAY over your head and you WILL get your butt handed to you , this is by design, i have run into a few areas that i cant do and am level 14 now.

Bashed Patch, 0.esp Config

Reveal hidden contents

Active Mod Files:

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I have not seen anything in game that seams out of place. Having fought 3 dragons now and i can say...OMG what a war....took me about a half hour , 20 potions and some serious hiding to finish . what a blast. Some enemies are kinda easy ....some are downright impossible. I have had to leave a place on more then one occasion. I haven't used a follower yet.

Also i am not using ASIS..

metaton · June 15, 2014

hmm...impressive.

So you say bashed patch AT last, after ALL mods, and then the Skyproccers?

ohh this is so confusing, why they say then when you run the skyproccers you need to leave out the post reproccer.esp.

They say it is in the name post (after) reproccer.

So you say meet with a lvl 65 enemy is normal? I thought Skyre not de-leveling Skyrim.

Because if you not using HLE and ASIS, then it must be skyre or immersive creatures what created these monsters...

Edited June 15, 2014 by metaton

camaro_69_327 · June 15, 2014

On 6/15/2014 at 3:05 PM, metaton said:
hmm...impressive.
So you say bashed patch AT last, after ALL mods, and then the Skyproccers?<<<Yes
ohh this is so confusing, why they say then when you run the skyproccers you need to leave out the post reproccer.esp. <<As i stated i am not using the Pre and Post patches so if it says you need to UNtick then do.
They say it is in the name post (after) reproccer. <<,yes ....PRE is before Reproccer, Post is after Reproccer.
So you say meet with a lvl 65 enemy is normal? I thought Skyre not de-leveling Skyrim.<<,I never checked a level on any character i meet, IF i get my rear handed to me ..I leave!!
Because if you not using HLE and ASIS, then it must be skyre or immersive creatures what created these monsters...<<<would be my Guess...Skyre changes a lot.

""Always disable or add to the blocklist anything that is below the ReProccer.esp, before running the ReProccer. Always remember to re-make your bashed patch as well.""

The above is from the ReProccer patches page.

it also gives this as an Example load order...

Mod XXXXXXX

Bashed Patch.esp

PreASISPatchEEO.esp

Pre ReProccer WAFR IA7 IW patch.esp

Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

ReProccer.esp

Post ReProccer IA7 Patch.esp

BCS_Skyre_Patch.esp

DragonBornCircletsWithCrown.esp

metaton · June 29, 2014

Thank you Camaro,

You helped a lot to make me understand how the skyreproccers work with the bashed patch.

Now it will be time to sort out what I have done.

I have a new problem, scaling related with a completely new setup.

metaton · June 29, 2014

On 6/15/2014 at 9:41 PM, camaro_69_327 said:

On 6/15/2014 at 3:05 PM, metaton said:
hmm...impressive.
So you say bashed patch AT last, after ALL mods, and then the Skyproccers?<<<Yes
ohh this is so confusing, why they say then when you run the skyproccers you need to leave out the post reproccer.esp. <<As i stated i am not using the Pre and Post patches so if it says you need to UNtick then do. <<Why not? It is not needed?
They say it is in the name post (after) reproccer. <<,yes ....PRE is before Reproccer, Post is after Reproccer.
So you say meet with a lvl 65 enemy is normal? I thought Skyre not de-leveling Skyrim.<<,I never checked a level on any character i meet, IF i get my rear handed to me ..I leave!!<<<si it seems your skyrim has high level monsters as well, so maybe you have the same thing just you never checked the levels.
Because if you not using HLE and ASIS, then it must be skyre or immersive creatures what created these monsters...<<<would be my Guess...Skyre changes a lot.
Funny thing is...
-immersive creatures just changes it`s own creatures as far as I know. So it cannot be SIC or it can be, but just for SIC creatures,
-because of HLE Skyre scaling module has been disabled I am not using it. So it cannot be Skyre,
HLE won`t kick in before lvl 10, so it cannot be HLE, also you are not using HLE.
ASIS nothing to do with levelling. So it cannot be ASIS.

Then what?

""Always disable or add to the blocklist anything that is below the ReProccer.esp, before running the ReProccer. Always remember to re-make your bashed patch as well.""

The above is from the ReProccer patches page.
it also gives this as an Example load order...

Mod XXXXXXX
Mod XXXXXXX
Bashed Patch.esp
PreASISPatchEEO.esp
Pre ReProccer WAFR IA7 IW patch.esp
Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp
ReProccer.esp
Post ReProccer IA7 Patch.esp
BCS_Skyre_Patch.esp
DragonBornCircletsWithCrown.esp Thanks for this.

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