Plagues of the 21st Century?

[Trandoshan]

About a year ago, I stumbled across a disease that was incredibly controversial. This disease was named Morgellon's disease, and based on the news articles these diseases seemed something to worry about. According to some of my research, some subjects were under so much pain that they committed suicide. It is characterized as sores/rashes that have non-organic threads growing in them. A certainly strange disease, that should have had at least one major news network on the case.

 

http://www.morgellons.org/

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/morgellons-disease/sn00043

for those interested....

 

A year later, the news is flooded by new contender that was killing 'Masses' of people :rolleyes: . That is to say H1n1, or the Swine Flu.

 

Oddly enough, the media stormed the 50 states with fear mongering about this horrible H1n1 disease that is at risk for becoming a pandemic. Though in my research on the subject, this disease had only killed people with weakened immune systems (Children and the Elderly). Despite the fact that Morgellon's (if it was even a real disease, the CDC is conducting research to understand it ATM) seems to have some severe symptoms for people of all ages, and has too caused it's share of death and discomfort, the media has given it no words.

 

Though quite general, my topic for debate is:

 

Do you believe in 'New Age Plagues' hype?

 

 

More Importantly....

ARE WE ALL GOING TO DIE????

 

:whistling:

 

On a side discussion, I would like to hear everyone's opinion on Morgellons. Do you think it's real? Do you think there is Human involvement behind this?

[Balagor]

Yes we all die in time. Joke :whistling:

 

Are we all gonna die? No. Are some gonna die? yes. Nature has alwyas from time to time done some cleanups. Latest and most deadly was the HIV virus..

How deadly those desease are depends on several factors; educational level(HIV in Afrika), the odds of finding a treatment, and most important, the financial willingness of a treatment program.

The reason more people in Africa dies from HIV, is due to not only lack of knowledge about how to protect themselves, but more the western world´s willingness(or lack of same) to help.

So, yes we decide pretty much how many and who, are gonna die, from a major pandemic outburst.

[Trandoshan]

Yes we all die in time. Joke :whistling:

 

Are we all gonna die? No. Are some gonna die? yes. Nature has alwyas from time to time done some cleanups. Latest and most deadly was the HIV virus..

How deadly those desease are depends on several factors; educational level(HIV in Afrika), the odds of finding a treatment, and most important, the financial willingness of a treatment program.

The reason more people in Africa dies from HIV, is due to not only lack of knowledge about how to protect themselves, but more the western world´s willingness(or lack of same) to help.

So, yes we decide pretty much how many and who, are gonna die, from a major pandemic outburst.

 

Well, of course we all die hehe. It's all the more reason to extend it as long as you can, despite Nature's outbreaks. Everyone fears death, pain, and taxes, and because we fear this we try and remain safe in order to prolong out lifespan. Human Nature 101.

 

Your last sentence could be misinterpreted for it's true value. Our knowledge does determine whether we explore caution in areas that may cause disease, but it too can create those same diseases. H1N1 doesn't seem to be man-made, and for good reason. Odd diseases that are still beyond our capabilities to treat, such as Morgellons or Aids, seem very unnatural. Some theorists believe that Aids itself was a man-made disease. I don't particular that idea, but I know people who do.

 

I also know that disease is a revenue raising industry in America, and I know that diseases such as Cancer and AIDS produce a ton of money. There are many corporations that would fail miserably if these diseases suddenly became controlled, or altogether removed. So it would be in the companies best interest to keep a disease from dying out, and create new ones to create new temporary solutions for that disease. Big Money! (I feel like a dirty conspiracy theorist...)

 

I mean come on, if the pharmaceutical market is big business. A Pandemic may make you one wealthy man. :closedeyes:

[Balagor]

@Trandoshan

You are absolutely right about the pharmaceutical buissnes. It´s not even a conspiracy theory, it´s fact.

When the H1N1 hit Europe, we could not get enough antidote here in DK, and the producents in China was workin overtime.

It was delayed 3 times. We finally got it, but the danger was cancelled.

We had 1500 who got the desease, and 1 dead(would have died of an ordinary flue anyway)

[Trandoshan]

It's not a debate if you agree with me :unsure: . I guess I have to be more radical in this debate.

 

How about.... Monsanto's genetically altered patented crops that are distributed world-wide cause cancer? That's extreme isn't it? If you don't hear from me in a month, Monsanto's thugs killed me!

 

Back on topic:

At least I don't hear about corporation's strangle-hold on governments in Europe. They have apparently done a magnificent job in keeping the priorities of the people closer to mind. At least based on what I have heard.

 

It's a shame that historically, more specifically the 1700s, corporations had the power to make mighty nations crumble(See the India and China). If they are introducing disease on the peasantry, what can we do? Of course, this is still not on topic really.

 

More on topic:

Conclusion? We aren't going to die from these diseases if we are healthy enough, true enough, but the American Media keeps feeding us the fear that drives us. The original topic was asking why we in America are so hyped about the diseases of the 21st century. In reality, the chances of H1N1 killing 50% of the population (See Bubonic Plague) are so slim it makes me want to cry. Yet the United States of Sheeple still fears. I'm sure everyone reading believes that H1N1 was never a big deal right? I'm also sure that some of you turn on the tele and watch Glen Beck, or Billo the Clown and have seen them make a big deal of it. Why is this???

 

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/artic...YPgiGzJEAAaQg7w

 

... Oh... Argument side A...

 

Still more people die each year in car wrecks.... Till then, no problem right? :mellow:

[Balagor]

It's not a debate if you agree with me :unsure: . I guess I have to be more radical in this debate.

 

At least on that I can disagree. You can have a debate where you agree on the overall issues, but perhaps want to refine some of the more delicate perspectives.

 

>On topic< Regarding the mass hysterica in population, when it comes to pandemics, it it more or less created by the media.

The media do what they do best; they make storys look great, and they do it for business.

About H1n1 the headline could be: "Influenza no. 1.243.654 identified" or "Killer flu hits the world" The latter will sell better, and they are both true, since all flues can kill.

 

In DK we had enough of these "doomsdays" news tv-stations and newspapers, so fortunately it has given fundament for at least 2 newspapers and 2 tv-station, that provides news in an informative way, instead of the "horror movie" way.

[Vagrant0]

Are these diseases for real, or just hype?

 

Do you believe in 'New Age Plagues' hype?

 

ARE WE ALL GOING TO DIE?

To answer all four questions... "yes".

 

There, don't you feel better now?

[jaymaster007]

I just hope for a zombie plague. Rather than a real lame plague like the black death or some crap like that.

 

 

It's about time something killed off a big percentage of the world's populous.

[slygothmog]

I just hope for a zombie plague. Rather than a real lame plague like the black death or some crap like that.

 

 

It's about time something killed off a big percentage of the world's populous.

Erm not sure what to make of that last statement.

If you do a little history reserch you will find the black death was one of the deadliest pandemics in human history. The Black Death is estimated to have killed 30% to 60% of Europe's population, reducing the world's population from an estimated 450 million to between 350 and 375 million in 1400. It took 150 years for Europe to recover, so i would'nt exactly call it lame.

[Balagor]

It's about time something killed off a big percentage of the world's populous.

 

This statement makes sense. Nature has allways tend to a kind of self regulating, when populations get too big. It happens in all animal populations. Humans differs however because we have learned to controle such events to a certain degree. Looking at our population, it is at a point where it can not increase. The planet can simply not provide food, nor cope with the pollution pressure.