Boomers/BoS/Desert Rangers expanded

[devinpatterson]

(Also, everybody keep it civil. This a good and interesting lore discussion, and let's not get pointlessly inflammatory.)

Don't sweat it, we're all adults here (no one is thinned-skinned) and if things get out of hand the real moderators will take care of things.....it's not a big deal, and certainly nothing to worry over.

[Degby1]

 

not like you have a better argument on the topic.

Actually not only do I have a far better argument, I back it up with numerous quotes from the wiki. Your's hinges on a non existent clause and your defense of it is "you can't prove me wrong". I can't prove unicorns don't exist either, but I'm confident they don't. It's called proving a negative, and it's logical fallacy (ie show me in the wiki where it says specifically the desert rangers aren't all aliens).

 

now drop it

That's pretty funny, did you really think anointing yourself forum moderator was going to work. A little maturity would be nice, since your "not like you have a better argument on the topic. now drop it" is the equivalent of nuh uh, shutup.

 

the OP has stated what he wants, this isnt a discussion thread this is a request thread.

This isn't a discussion thread? Have you been following along at all? The OP even had to correct you.

 

if the OP says what he wants we have t respect that. either way there is no way we can convince the other is right at this point.

I'm not trying to convince you in any way, shape or form. I'm simply address your assertions, pointing out where they are lacking and presenting evidence.

 

so lets move on

Your more than welcome to move on. If you don't want to discuss the desert rangers I'd suggest you do just that....don't discuss them.

 

and discuss how to make the OPs request a possibility.

We are, that's why were discussing the desert rangers, to help the OP achieve the most lore friendly way possible of recruitment.

 

Come on people lets not start bickering. Thanks for everyones input so far, its much appreciated not everyone is going to agree with eachother but no need to let this degrade into a tit for tat argument about who knows more. Stay focussed here

Edited August 5, 2014 by Narmz

[Degby1]

 

(Also, everybody keep it civil. This a good and interesting lore discussion, and let's not get pointlessly inflammatory.)

Don't sweat it, we're all adults here (no one is thinned-skinned) and if things get out of hand the real moderators will take care of things.....it's not a big deal, and certainly nothing to worry over.

 

Agreed, no one here is an 11 year old school kid, we're debating here not calling eachother c*nts

[Degby1]

 

not like you have a better argument on the topic.

Actually not only do I have a far better argument, I back it up with numerous quotes from the wiki. Your's hinges on a non existent clause and your defense of it is "you can't prove me wrong". I can't prove unicorns don't exist either, but I'm confident they don't. It's called proving a negative, and it's logical fallacy (ie show me in the wiki where it says specifically the desert rangers aren't all aliens).

 

now drop it

That's pretty funny, did you really think anointing yourself forum moderator was going to work. A little maturity would be nice, since your "not like you have a better argument on the topic. now drop it" is the equivalent of nuh uh, shutup.

 

the OP has stated what he wants, this isnt a discussion thread this is a request thread.

This isn't a discussion thread? Have you been following along at all? The OP even had to correct you.

 

if the OP says what he wants we have t respect that. either way there is no way we can convince the other is right at this point.

I'm not trying to convince you in any way, shape or form. I'm simply address your assertions, pointing out where they are lacking and presenting evidence.

 

so lets move on

Your more than welcome to move on. If you don't want to discuss the desert rangers I'd suggest you do just that....don't discuss them.

 

and discuss how to make the OPs request a possibility.

We are, that's why were discussing the desert rangers, to help the OP achieve the most lore friendly way possible of recruitment.

 

 

 

As for BoS trying to kill u, err no! My character is Paladin in the BoS and their survival was based on your efforts otherwise they would have been blown up in their bunker or ran out the Mojave completely. I think they do have a sense of honor and loyality to their "brothers". They are the direct descendents of the U.S Army after all, it's in their blood to fight for a cause. As long as they remained within boundries and didnt stray too far from their codex it would be fine, McNamara did back the NCR after all and they truely want eachother dead.

 

The Brotherhood are honourable and loyal, yes, but they do prioritise technology over everything else. That's one of the reasons why I respect them - their goal, and their only goal, is to prevent mankind from destroying itself again with advanced technology. Their means are questionable, but I very much agree with their ends.

 

If you try to bribe them into violating their principles with the offer of technology, even if you're a Paladin, you'd be viewed as a traitor. The best way to do it would be to use your present influence in the BoS to persuade them to become more like the Lyons Brotherhood - making them realise that they'll be able to contain technology better by your side than hiding in their bunker. Use them as equal partners, instead of subordinates. (Which, to my recollection, is exactly how the player persuades them to back the NCR.)

 

That goes for pretty much any faction, really. It's always much easier to persuade someone by offering them an equal place, instead of trying to subdue them. Anyone who knows anything about negotiation can tell you that. The only way to effectively run an Independent New Vegas is to form a coalition government of the major factions (namely the Strip Families, the Brotherhood, the Khans, and the Boomers; also potentially the Desert Rangers, depending). The Courier would still be in command (by virtue of having access to the Securitron Army and having the overwhelming respect of all those factions), but it would be less like a dictatorship and more akin to the relationship between the President and Congress.

 

Anyone getting what I'm saying?

 

(Also, everybody keep it civil. This a good and interesting lore discussion, and let's not get pointlessly inflammatory.)

 

See you're getting my drift here! It wouldnt be bribery used to deal with the BoS, more so convincing them that Lyons is doing what Roger Maxson would have wanted and that McNamara has the potential to do so and create the right impact. They wouldnt need to recruit any new members but just work alongside others ,like they already have done. In time they would get access to the Big MT but only as a reward for services rendered as opposed to dangelling a plasma rifle carrot on a stick. It would be a coalition government also in that the main factions (BoS, Rangers, Boomers and Khans) wouldnt be subordinate to eachother where as groups like the Westside Milita would be. The FoA, Kings and Strip Families (more so the Chairmen as I brutally massacred the White Gloves and dont trust the Omertas with their pseudo Tony Montana bullshit) would also have a big role in this. However unlike the NCR they would tax people living there.

[Degby1]

 

@Narmz

First and foremost, it seems that your knowledge of the military is a bit...shallow? Many combat veterans don't leave the military mainly for the following reasons:

- They love the sense of duty and purpose they get every day by serving.

- There are no other relative easier avenues of employment for them since there is right now a huge pool of veterans in the job market. Those veterans in the job market often have better resumes, technical training, more time served in the military, and/or combat experience.

- If they serve their time in the military, they can retire after 20 years and get retirement pay from the government

- They don't want to leave their fellow soldiers who they've fought and trained alongside with for years.

Only a few are still in it because they're addicted to combat. Those are usually the ones the military watches out for in the first place. Not to mention those are the ones that other soldiers don't want to be led by. As such, those type of guys end up in the PMCs.

Second, think your example through: If there are Desert Rangers who are effectively combat junkies who like to shoot people up indiscriminately, why would the Courier hire those guys to train and lead the Independent Militia operating near civilian areas? See the problem there? The Courier isn't running Blackwater here.

As for the BoS not wanting to kill the Courier, there are two in-game examples that shows that the BoS aren't as strongly loyal and honorable as you think:

1) Elder McNamara saved the BoS from total destruction after Operation Sunburst five years before the game started. He led BoS forces through NCR lines and kept them hidden and safe in the Hidden Valley Bunker for years. Yet Head Paladin Hardin and others wanted to oust him in order to wage a new war.

2) Veronica was born, raised, and trained in the BoS. Her parents died fighting the NCR. She was the literal life line of the BoS since she helped get supplies for the Mojave BoS. Without her, the BoS would have died from starvation. Even if you convinced Veronica to stay with the BoS, several members still went out and try to kill Veronica and the Courier anyway due to her "heresy". If you convinced Veronica to join the FoA, the BoS still wiped out one of the FoA outposts to ensure that no one would learn of BoS technology.

So there are two in-game examples showing that BoS would and have turned on people who have literally saved their lives.

Now I actually do think that a consortium of independent groups working to defend the Mojave is feasible. However I disagree with your methods and reasoning of actually achieving that.

 

Good points again and thanks for your feedback!

 

I wouldnt say my knowledge of the Military is shallow although i'll admit that i'm probably coming across as having a very limited amount of knowledge on the subject. I know that veterans are in a bad situation when they leave, PTS, limited employment opportunites (although theres a brewery in the U.S who exclusively hire vets), I know a lot feel cheated by going to war with nations based upon lies (but thats a whole other debate that will go completely off topic) and yes a lot have the choice of climbing the ranks or taking the pension money and retiring.

 

Whereas other do join the PMC's. The point I was making with the PMC's however wasnt so much that the Desert Rangers would want to shoot up random people, more the fact that they've been fighting for so long its all they know now only this time they'll be getting a better salary. What shouldnt be overlooked here is that Fallout is in a Post Apocalyptic world. Its a dangerous world where you have to fight to survive, even if u retire you still have to defend your home on the regular by force! There'll always be Fiends to shoot after all, or some other group like the Jackals.

 

As i've said previously I have no doubt that a vast number of the original Desert Rangers would be fed up with all the fighting and be suffering from combat fatigue and no doubt leave with the NCR and take a up a nightclub doorman job in the Boneyard or something along the lines of, maybe even retire altogether and leave in the hills as a farmer. But theres no way that absolutely non of them would stay or atleast want to stay and work with the Courier with the right incentive. Obviously this incentive needs to be worked on.

 

Now for the BoS -

 

Hardin is just a jumped up fat f"ck Friar Tuck lookalike. You always hear other BoS members talking about how he wont challenge McNamara outright, Hardin just likes to talk tough but when push comes to shove he has to go to you, the outsider, to backdoor McNamara out of his position. Sounds a bit like a script from The Wire involving Jimmy McNulty.

It was also McNamara who suggested the truce between the NCR and BoS and even mentions after joining them that he was going to try to dissuade Hardin from retaking HELIOS.

The ending slide also proves that the BoS did honor their end of the deal and allowed the NCR to safely evacuate the Nevada region. Although things became problematic after that as they started to shake down travallers and random people for bits of technology, so once again this is somethng that can be addressed in an extensive quest or series of quests to make them see that they're acting like a c**t.

 

Veronica is proof that even members of the BoS, even if she is the only one in that chapter, can lean more to helping people in a more direct way. Elder Lyons and his chapter did and now they are the new U.S Army in the Washington D.C area. Roger Maxson wanted to help humanity and those first few years they still maintained a very military outlook on things, they just became corrupted slightly over time and obsessed with tech hoarding. Even in the Enclave, Cannibal Johnson is proof that there are those who will go against their codex as it interferes with their moral compass, in Fallout 2 Lt Col Charles Curling of the U.S Chemical Corps can be convinced to turn on his own men for the better of humanity.

 

I think your over estimating the rigid dogma that both groups have in that there are those who can work with others for the better. And yes the "recruitment" process would be problematic to say the least, but lets not forget just how smart, powerful, charasmatic and determined the Courier is after completing FNV.

[Degby1]

Boomers wise, by the time you are done with them they are loosening their xenophobia and I think they would jump for joy if introduced to say...the Gun Runners, who despite being a major faction of the NCR are more a company than an arm of the NCR, and the Gun Runners would be thrilled with them as well I'd bet.

 

 

As to the protection of the NV/Mojave Wasteland area itself, I always thought that if you did an Independent New Vegas ending minus Yes Man and the securitrons (or even with them) that recruiting a guard/military force from the populace would be a great angle, especially since it would make sense that at least some of the oldest of the Desert Ranger survivors most likely would retire and could then be recruited to train people, along with retired Rangers like the guy in Novac. With them and Boone around to train people (no matter how much I dislike Boone as a companion) you have one heck of a well trained force, with the weapon/armor stockpiles from your many victories to use to equip the force (whether those are something you just send them to collect or you pull out the tons of guns/armor you just couldn't sell because there are not enough merchants in the game) and the Gun Runners still perfectly happy to deal with your nation (and the Van Graffs if they survived) you have the makings of an army more than adequate to protect your lands, just like the Westside Militia protects Westside, but now with better gear and/or training from some major combat vets.

 

To get the BOS in on things...well they decide to patrol under the right circumstance, but are still very hardline by the Codex types, you would probably have to do a whole questline to end up getting them convinced to take a more open stance with "outsiders" and "wasteland savages", but if you could manage that with the Boomers (which are just watered down BOS really, even before the PA) then there is no reason that you might not be able to convince them, or part of them to become more Lyon's Chapter-esque, especially with what old world tech you can dangle before them. Like Cerulian Robotics, the Vaults, Houses tech (which I'd be sharing his medical tech with the Followers) and perhaps some of the oh so tantalizing Big MT. tech, which of course you can only tell them you found, and can bring them more of.

You got the right idea too. Having the companions like Boone, Veronica, Raul and Ulysses even, could train an effective militia. I dont agree with the Van Graffs though, they would be a threat, eventually. The amount of equipment stashed away in the various safe houses I have is emmence. I also have the Run the Lucky 38 so i'm never short of a few quid either, there could be an investment mod of sorts implemented into this where you supply the militia with money and equipment and get a deadly fighting force from it. Similar to training the Misfits at Camp Golf but just on a much larger scale.

 

Boone and Manny Vargas could teach a specialised sniper course, Ranger Andy and Raul could teach advanced survival skills, Veronica and Arcade in energy weapons, Ulysses in espionage for a de facto secret service. The Repconn launch site could be refurished into a base that can fire nukes, guarded by various groups assisted by the Bright Brotherhood, dependent on you not killing them and fixing their flight path to bring them closer to their destination.

 

Mojave Outpost could be a no mans land where the NCR have fortified it on one end and the Nevada National Guard patrol the other end. Vault 34 is a write off but a ghoul/super mutant detachment could be based there, Vault 11, Vault 19 and Vault 3 can all be cleaned up and reused however. Vault 21 would continue to be a hotel, although having cement from various sections removed and expanded now that House is 6 foot under.

 

The Gun Runners and Boomers became business partners almost in the NCR ending, but I'd imagine that the Gun Runners would maintain their HQ even if NCR got kicked out so I can see no problems with this idea.

 

Let me know wot u reckon?

[Degby1]

 

Still though above all I want this to be lore friendly, however I've already killed the Legion so unless I convince them that the Legion are gonna try it again OR that a new more dangerous faction is on its way OR play on feelings of nostalgia (which I feel would be most effective)

ion.

Oh no, there are tons of legion in Nevada, Utah, Colorado, New Mexico and especially Arizona. A lot of veterans and a large portion of legion troops were killed or routed at Hoover but there are plenty more targets begging to be tagged. If you appeal to teh same motivation that caused the Desert Rangers rangers to merge with the NCR, they will rally to your side (especially if the NCR begins to flail). That is by far the most lore friendly way of accomplishing this. But without the securitron army your going to have a pretty hard sale claiming the desert rangers will be better off at your side. Your going to need some troops and victories before you begin tipping the scales/balances.

 

I'm making several locations for our mod (sedona for instance) involving battling legion forces, after I finish off the strip (hoover dam is already done, cleaned up battle conditions, you can see it here)

 

Yeah I just checked this mod, its good to know that there are others interested in and actively trying to push mods that deal with a post Hoover Dam battle Mojave. This hasnt been out for that long has it? Any news on when you're going to expand it? Yeah I know that there are Legion out there, maybe a new commander worse than Caesar and Lanius is needed but after they've been killed I think that the Legion would be fractured so if any of these groups attack they would be stragglers. I'm working on a U.S military mod for Fallout 3 but I also included an antagonist group who would be strong enough to challenge the U.S military, made up of former Legion, NCR and other members. Whatever new group or remnant Legion army decides to come at what they perceive to be a weakend Mojave prime for the taking would have to be powerful enough to get the DR's attention agreed.

[Degby1]

Another couple of locations that I want to bring in is Area 51 and S4. I know that Area 51 was suppose to be included in F2 and had a group of scientists still living there but was cut from the game so Area 51 is up for grabs. Site S4 is similar to and often mistaken as being Area 51 and part of the Nellis range but this has never been mentioned in Fallout. If Nevada is going to guarded by a coalition government then maybe recruits could be drawn from Area 51 and S4 as there might be remnant U.S soldiers still based there. I am thinking further down the line for this post Hoover Dam mod but I would want to expand the narrative beyond just the Legion and the NCR. What are your thoughts?

[MarchUntoTorment]

I'd sure as hell not trust pre-war American soldiers. Pre-war America had more in common with the Nazi regime than its present state in the real world. Somehow, as the Courier, I'm disinclined to recruit soldiers who worked for a regime that willingly tortured prisoners of war and civilian protesters, put anyone of Asian ethnicity in concentration camps and then performed medical experiments on them, and who actually advocated using FEV as a legitimate battlefield strategy. Let's not forget that the goddamned Enclave are the pre-war US military.

 

It really annoys me how many mods portray the pre-war US as the 'good guys' in the war. They were certainly no better than the Chinese, and realistically, it's entirely possible that the post-war world (at least as of 2281) is actually better than the pre-war one. That's one of my favourite things about the setting - the moral ambiguity. Nothing in Fallout is black-and-white, except for Fallout 3's (utterly s#*!) plot.

[dangman4ever]

 

 

@Narmz

First and foremost, it seems that your knowledge of the military is a bit...shallow? Many combat veterans don't leave the military mainly for the following reasons:

- They love the sense of duty and purpose they get every day by serving.

- There are no other relative easier avenues of employment for them since there is right now a huge pool of veterans in the job market. Those veterans in the job market often have better resumes, technical training, more time served in the military, and/or combat experience.

- If they serve their time in the military, they can retire after 20 years and get retirement pay from the government

- They don't want to leave their fellow soldiers who they've fought and trained alongside with for years.

Only a few are still in it because they're addicted to combat. Those are usually the ones the military watches out for in the first place. Not to mention those are the ones that other soldiers don't want to be led by. As such, those type of guys end up in the PMCs.

Second, think your example through: If there are Desert Rangers who are effectively combat junkies who like to shoot people up indiscriminately, why would the Courier hire those guys to train and lead the Independent Militia operating near civilian areas? See the problem there? The Courier isn't running Blackwater here.

As for the BoS not wanting to kill the Courier, there are two in-game examples that shows that the BoS aren't as strongly loyal and honorable as you think:

1) Elder McNamara saved the BoS from total destruction after Operation Sunburst five years before the game started. He led BoS forces through NCR lines and kept them hidden and safe in the Hidden Valley Bunker for years. Yet Head Paladin Hardin and others wanted to oust him in order to wage a new war.

2) Veronica was born, raised, and trained in the BoS. Her parents died fighting the NCR. She was the literal life line of the BoS since she helped get supplies for the Mojave BoS. Without her, the BoS would have died from starvation. Even if you convinced Veronica to stay with the BoS, several members still went out and try to kill Veronica and the Courier anyway due to her "heresy". If you convinced Veronica to join the FoA, the BoS still wiped out one of the FoA outposts to ensure that no one would learn of BoS technology.

So there are two in-game examples showing that BoS would and have turned on people who have literally saved their lives.

Now I actually do think that a consortium of independent groups working to defend the Mojave is feasible. However I disagree with your methods and reasoning of actually achieving that.

 

Good points again and thanks for your feedback!

 

I wouldnt say my knowledge of the Military is shallow although i'll admit that i'm probably coming across as having a very limited amount of knowledge on the subject. I know that veterans are in a bad situation when they leave, PTS, limited employment opportunites (although theres a brewery in the U.S who exclusively hire vets), I know a lot feel cheated by going to war with nations based upon lies (but thats a whole other debate that will go completely off topic) and yes a lot have the choice of climbing the ranks or taking the pension money and retiring.

 

Whereas other do join the PMC's. The point I was making with the PMC's however wasnt so much that the Desert Rangers would want to shoot up random people, more the fact that they've been fighting for so long its all they know now only this time they'll be getting a better salary. What shouldnt be overlooked here is that Fallout is in a Post Apocalyptic world. Its a dangerous world where you have to fight to survive, even if u retire you still have to defend your home on the regular by force! There'll always be Fiends to shoot after all, or some other group like the Jackals.

 

As i've said previously I have no doubt that a vast number of the original Desert Rangers would be fed up with all the fighting and be suffering from combat fatigue and no doubt leave with the NCR and take a up a nightclub doorman job in the Boneyard or something along the lines of, maybe even retire altogether and leave in the hills as a farmer. But theres no way that absolutely non of them would stay or atleast want to stay and work with the Courier with the right incentive. Obviously this incentive needs to be worked on.

 

Now for the BoS -

 

Hardin is just a jumped up fat f"ck Friar Tuck lookalike. You always hear other BoS members talking about how he wont challenge McNamara outright, Hardin just likes to talk tough but when push comes to shove he has to go to you, the outsider, to backdoor McNamara out of his position. Sounds a bit like a script from The Wire involving Jimmy McNulty.

It was also McNamara who suggested the truce between the NCR and BoS and even mentions after joining them that he was going to try to dissuade Hardin from retaking HELIOS.

The ending slide also proves that the BoS did honor their end of the deal and allowed the NCR to safely evacuate the Nevada region. Although things became problematic after that as they started to shake down travallers and random people for bits of technology, so once again this is somethng that can be addressed in an extensive quest or series of quests to make them see that they're acting like a c**t.

 

Veronica is proof that even members of the BoS, even if she is the only one in that chapter, can lean more to helping people in a more direct way. Elder Lyons and his chapter did and now they are the new U.S Army in the Washington D.C area. Roger Maxson wanted to help humanity and those first few years they still maintained a very military outlook on things, they just became corrupted slightly over time and obsessed with tech hoarding. Even in the Enclave, Cannibal Johnson is proof that there are those who will go against their codex as it interferes with their moral compass, in Fallout 2 Lt Col Charles Curling of the U.S Chemical Corps can be convinced to turn on his own men for the better of humanity.

 

I think your over estimating the rigid dogma that both groups have in that there are those who can work with others for the better. And yes the "recruitment" process would be problematic to say the least, but lets not forget just how smart, powerful, charasmatic and determined the Courier is after completing FNV.

 

The Desert Rangers don't quite strike me as the type thats in it for the money. There might be one or two that are but the majority? Most likely not based on their survivalist independent nature. You might get one or two Desert Rangers that actually want to retire in the Mojave but those would be the ones who are too old and/or family-less.

Personally I don't think the Desert Rangers are all that. By the time of the game and out of the game, they're effectively the same as the rest of the Veteran Rangers in terms of combat capability and abilities. As such, I'm not seeing a particular great reason to focus just on former Desert Rangers when there's a whole pool of Veteran Rangers.

Like I said earlier, I like your concept but I don't like your implementation. So here's what I recommend:

During the NCR flight, one senior NCR veteran ranger, a former Desert Ranger, decides to stay behind to talk with the Courier. Let's call this veteran ranger, George Washington Bacon. George still believe that Caesar's Legion is still a threat even with its head cut off. So rather than wait for the Legion to ultimately dissolve to infighting, this Veteran Ranger wants to speed that dissolution up. But his commanding officers and higher up in the chain of command are weary of devoting resources, time, and personnel to such an operation in the aftermath of the NCR pullout of the Mojave.

But this George Bacon has convinced three other Veteran Rangers of the danger of the Caesar's Legion. These four Veteran Rangers are so convinced of the continued danger of the Legion that they're ultimately willing to desert the NCR to fight in Legion territory. BUt Bacon is still pragmatic and still wants to make sure that the three Veteran Rangers are taken care of. So here's George's pitch to the Courier:

"Fund our expedition into Legion territory. Even join it if you want to. In exchange and if we do come back, we'll stay in the Mojave and train your militia."

The Courier has the following reasons to commit to this:

1) The Courier desperately needs trained leaders and teachers for his militia forces.

2) The Courier has heard of or seen George Bacon's actions in the Mojave and during the 2nd Battle of Hoover Dam. So he knows that Bacon won't take the money and run.

3) The Courier is also convinced about the possibility of a resurgent Legion.

There you go, now you have your trained leaders.

As for the BoS, you and I clearly have different views on Hardin. The very fact that Hardin is resorting to trying to find rules to oust McNamara shows that he ultimately respects the Codex, the Elder himself, and the chain of command. Respect for chain of command is a vital pillar of a military force. If Hardin had ousted McNamara by force with no legal reasoning, that ultimately shows that the BoS is an undisciplined war band at best. Remember that McNulty ended getting f*#@ed by doing the backdooring as well (The Wire happens to be one of my favorite series FYI :D).

Don't forget that the Brotherhood Outcasts exists as well. That's also proof that there will be those in the Brotherhood that would stay by the Codex at all costs. As history has shown time and time again, just because you're the leader of the most powerful military force in existence does not mean that you'll have an easy or anything less than hard time convincing other leaders to do what you want. North Korea under the Kim Dynasty, North Vietnam under Lê Duẩn, Afghanistan under Karzai, Iraq under Saddamn and al-Maliki, Cuba under Castro, Libya under Gaddafi, Hamas, Israel, and other numerous other examples have shown that you can actually defy the President of the United States Government and the U.S government with little to no reprehensions. Hence why I don't believe that the Courier will be the answer to changing the BoS onto a different path.