kimmera Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Again, is Daedra worship directly illegal? Besides, for murders and other crimes connected to Daedra worship, the only people that I find directly hunting Daedra worshipers just for non-violent worship are vigilante groups. Many crimes are illegal but rarely enforced. Note that the Daedric shrines are usually in remote wilderness. The few in cities are hidden, or at least not presented openly to the public. The Empire doesn't have the resources, especially in the middle of a civil war for any formal anti-Daedric operations, and even in peace time there is the question of how cost effective such an operation would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidbossVyers Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Well, in Oblivion, you could talk about finding Daedric Shrines in casual conversation, so it never really struck me as something super secret. Also, you can walk into a town with a cadre of undead or Daedric familiars, and, while people will express their distaste, no one will arrest you (there are legal repercussions for transforming into a giant wolf or bat, though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
117649AR Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Well, in Oblivion, you could talk about finding Daedric Shrines in casual conversation, so it never really struck me as something super secret. Also, you can walk into a town with a cadre of undead or Daedric familiars, and, while people will express their distaste, no one will arrest you (there are legal repercussions for transforming into a giant wolf or bat, though). Daedric Worship is different from Conjuration, and while people may know of the locations of Shrines, they're not going to attempt to clear them (as they're typically filled with defensive Cultists and all manner of hostile Daedra). As for the Vigil of Stendarr, the fact that they are able to hunt Vampires, Witches, and Werewolves (in addition to Daedra) across governed regions and Holds without any repercussions from law enforcement seems to imply that they hold some form of mandate that is sanctioned by the governments of the areas in which they operate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidbossVyers Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Modern_Heretics Not illegal. The law apparently tends to ignore both hunters and worshipers so long as they do their thing privately. However, for example, I was playing as a vampire and was attacked by the Dawnguard in a city. The city guard killed the Dawnguard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
117649AR Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Modern_Heretics Not illegal. The law apparently tends to ignore both hunters and worshipers so long as they do their thing privately. However, for example, I was playing as a vampire and was attacked by the Dawnguard in a city. The city guard killed the Dawnguard. The Dawnguard are also not the Vigil of Stendarr. The Dawnguard were founded by one man, and it would be uncharacteristic of Isran to petition either the Empire or Ulfric for sanction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elimc Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 @Kimmera Ulfric was arrested for allowing free worship of Talos in the Reach. @Lachdonin The Thalmor arrested one of the Grey-Manes(i forgot who) for no reason, so they can arrest anyone. They also arrest Ogmund in Markarth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmera Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Actually, I am trying to find a source regarding Ulfric's arrest. The Thalmor dossier refers to his arrest during the war, before the Marketh Incident. They interrogated him, decided he was an asset and 'allowed' his escape, but what is the source for his having been imprisoned later by the Empire? And on what basis would he have been released from that imprisonment? Obscure timeline is obscure. As for 'allowing free worship of Talos' that was sanctioned initially by Igmund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elimc Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 @Kimmera Go talk to Igmund, he explains it very well. But Ulfric was arrested for allowing the worship of Talos, that was his only crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmera Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 @Kimmera Go talk to Igmund, he explains it very well. But Ulfric was arrested for allowing the worship of Talos, that was his only crime. But Igmund was complacent in the attack on Marketh. He condoned the attack. Regardless, allowing the worship of Talos happened after the massacre. It was a promise from Igmund to Ulfric with respect to retaking the city. He conveniently leaves out his role in the whole situation, and in fact blames the Empire for not being there to suppress the Foresworn rebellion. The implication that he agrees with Ulfric's actions and wouldn't have imprisoned Ulfric at all if it wasn't for the Thalmor. Furthermore, his advisors try to tell him to arrest the Silverbloods due to their allegiance to Ulfric, but Igmund refuses. He tries to insist that the Legion should eliminate the Foresworn for him, but his advisors point out the impracticality. In what way is he a reliable source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elimc Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 @Kimmera It was the Empire that promised Ulfric freedom to worship Talos, otherwise Igmund wouldn't say "we" all the time when talking about the incident. And he is reliable because he has no reason to lie. He is against Ulfric, so why would he lie to make Ulfric look good? Just because he is a bad ruler doesn't make him unable to remember stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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