I Am Insulted

[Peregrine]

Because they are called "casual gamers"... and thats all the publishers care about.

 

Actually they aren't. The outraged idiots are not gamers and wouldn't be buying Oblivion anyway. They just see it as their sacred duty to crusade against anyone else having something they don't approve of.

 

Wait... There is actually an art file of nudity? That worries me slightly.

 

Err, why does it worry you?

[Myydraal]

Lol, funny thing about ESRB is it probly does more to protect gaming from govermental rigth wingers and the crusaders that you are talking about then really anything else in the gaming industry. If you look into them alittle more you will relize this. Its a industry company that is designed to act premetivly so we don't have epople that don't play game sticking there danmed noses into our business. It doesn't always work but it helps considerbly, cause now we can blame underaged kids playing games they shouldn't on parents, stores and everything else cept the game itself. And then you can call poeple blaming the games crack pots, and you are ligitmized, hehe. BUT the ESRB has to keep its credibility, it can;t let one game slip its standards without doing anything cause then this wall of self protection the industry has come up with will be weakened by its inconsistency and there for leaving it more open for attack. Anyways thats my rant! =P

[lordjonny]

Wait... There is actually an art file of nudity? That worries me slightly.

ya its there but its not ment to be seen its used as a form for the clothing and armor to show how the body under is shaped not to be used as a cyber porn.

 

im in the game design industry (kinda) i know what the the ratings are for

 

as i was saying it has nothing to do with the content only the fact that they changed it because of the fact that a person outside of the design team added something

 

its like this say you wrote a kids book and then i bought a copy and decided to draw boobs on all the girls and show all my freinds, is it right for your book to then be relabled as porn?

[Myydraal]

Its sorta an ok analigy but you need to add one thing. The book somehow has to have a boobs built into it, and then you need to have some how unclothed these boobs through some means, not draw them ontop of what it was. They did not need to draw nipples to show the form of the female.....i am not against nuddity, i am just saying they are stuiped to not learn form the past. Do what the sims 2 did, i mean come on, don;t ahve nipples drawn and u are SAFE. Sims 2 u can remove the cencor, but there breasts with no nipples, soooo they are nto mature. But someone DID draw art files with nipples for the sims 2 after production as a mod, THIS is what your analogy above is accually related too, an exeteror addition to the original content. And as i prove here the argument of "female form" is really rather debunk. So when u make a game unless u want it to be M, don;t put bloody nipples on the CD, its simple really.

[LinkKadeshi]

The reason it worries me slightly is simple. Now it has to be labled as a mature rated game. Which means (If parents are actually DOING their jobs as PARENTS) less sales for the game due to underage sales no longer possible. Of course in all reality, I think very few parents regulate what their children can and do do. Why bother with your children, let video games and TV raise them... And if it's got something they shouldn't be watching.... Sue. Wheeeee.

Though seriously, this could be like putting blood in an ocean, attracting things you don't want around you... Like blood sucking, ambulance chasing, senile old lawyer's. Did I mention senile?

[Peregrine]

Lol, funny thing about ESRB is it probly does more to protect gaming from govermental rigth wingers and the crusaders that you are talking about then really anything else in the gaming industry. If you look into them alittle more you will relize this. Its a industry company that is designed to act premetivly so we don't have epople that don't play game sticking there danmed noses into our business. It doesn't always work but it helps considerbly, cause now we can blame underaged kids playing games they shouldn't on parents, stores and everything else cept the game itself. And then you can call poeple blaming the games crack pots, and you are ligitmized, hehe. BUT the ESRB has to keep its credibility, it can;t let one game slip its standards without doing anything cause then this wall of self protection the industry has come up with will be weakened by its inconsistency and there for leaving it more open for attack. Anyways thats my rant! =P

 

 

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 

The government right-wingers can whine all they want, but they can't do anything about games. It doesn't matter who they want to blame, censorship is unconstitutional and any mandatory government interference wouldn't last 5 minutes in court.

 

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The reason it worries me slightly is simple. Now it has to be labled as a mature rated game. Which means (If parents are actually DOING their jobs as PARENTS) less sales for the game due to underage sales no longer possible. Of course in all reality, I think very few parents regulate what their children can and do do. Why bother with your children, let video games and TV raise them... And if it's got something they shouldn't be watching.... Sue. Wheeeee.

 

Actually this would be a good thing. If Bethesda (and other game developers) lost the console kid market, they'd be forced to produce better games to appeal to an older and more demanding market. If Oblivion had been rated mature from the beginning, I suspect we would've had a much better game.

 

Though seriously, this could be like putting blood in an ocean, attracting things you don't want around you... Like blood sucking, ambulance chasing, senile old lawyer's. Did I mention senile?

 

Lawyers with no case, and who aren't getting taken seriously in court. Which is all that matters, the lawyers can threaten all they want but they can't do anything about it.

 

 

 

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[Myydraal]

Rofl, i know govermental censorship is unconstitutional, but its still bothersome having them poking around in our business. they still do but less then if there were no rating system. Its more that they can do something if they ever "prove" to a judge that games are harmful to children, which would mean goverment ratings, which is perfectly constitutional if games are "harmful". By preemting a possiblity of govermental ratings the game industry made the ESRB so as to decrease this likly hood greatly.

 

Many industrys have standards because of supposed safty concerns, or other reasons. Porn is regulated by the goverment, there is a whole bunch of reasons for this. They can;t OUTLAW it but they can REGULATE it. big diffrence. I could go on with examples of other industrys and other thigns like this but i see no point. Yes goverment can;t prevent content attributed to free speech, but you also can;t yell fire in a theator. I have read the court cases where citys and so on have tried to regulate games, and yes they ahve all been thrown out, but the more recent ones haven;t been thrown out as easly, and one of the big reasons they continue to be thrown out is because of the lawyers paid for by ESRB and one of its sister companys. they also provide testomony and otehr things to prevent right wings into influencing policy over much heres a link http://www.esrb.org/about/news.jsp the testimony of the presendent of ESRB to the Senate about violent video games. The ESRB is our friends, and really the only ones that complain are children that should not be playing some of these games. Ratings are perfectly sane and resonable. But govermental ratings tend to be harmful, but they ARE LEGAL under certian cicimstances. So don't female dog about the ESRB changing the ratings when it was Beth being vulking stupied when they put a art file with nudity on the disc AFTER the GTA thing. Oh and always rember, money talks louder then anything, Beth sold a ton of copies of Oblivion, thus money, so i am pritty sure they think they did a good job with the game regardless of what we say.

[batesmotel34]

The reason it worries me slightly is simple. Now it has to be labled as a mature rated game. Which means (If parents are actually DOING their jobs as PARENTS) less sales for the game due to underage sales no longer possible. Of course in all reality, I think very few parents regulate what their children can and do do. Why bother with your children, let video games and TV raise them... And if it's got something they shouldn't be watching.... Sue. Wheeeee.

Though seriously, this could be like putting blood in an ocean, attracting things you don't want around you... Like blood sucking, ambulance chasing, senile old lawyer's. Did I mention senile?

I know that reviews of movies and games usually include an explanation for why a partiuclar rating applies, e.g. for a film it could be something like contains partial nudity in one scene or contains excess violence and gore. Since my adolescent daughter isn't into video games, I haven't really paid much attention to what goes on game boxes for rating info. As a parent evaluating a game, I would be more interested in the reasons why a game had received an M rating rather than just that it has one when deciding if it would be appropriate for my child. Of cours, whether or not detail is included with the rationale for the rating may not make any difference for stores and chains that have a blanket policy of not distributing any games with a specific level of rating.

 

As far as the inclusion of the content on the game media, I think a better analogy would be to it being a small figure or photo in the appendix of a book rather than someone else buying the book and adding the controversial details by drawing them in. Once one teen has found the "pornographic" picture you can rely on the grape vine to spread the news. Given the inclusion of the Construction Set it isn't realistic to expect that content on the media isn't going to be viewed even though it isn't used in game as distributed.

 

Of course don't get me started on the American obsession with nudity and sex in general that makes a nude figure grounds for "protecting" children.

[Swank]

Killing people is okay. Looking at tits is not.

 

Now, where is the logic in that??? o_O

[lordjonny]

well i guess we should startlooking for where it says

 

this game is rated m because content can be added by users

 

they are just makeing beth take the blame for something that they had nothing to do with (that is assumeing that none of beths employees worked on any of the mods in question)

 

modifications are as such they alter the game to please the modder they can be uninstalled and they have no lasting effect on the game if parents want to have more control then tell them to play the game with there kids and not just read the box it came in this falls under the reading a book by the cover