Adolf Hitler and Charles Darwin

[standalone09]

Social Darwinism is a modern name given to various theories of society that emerged in the United States and Europe in the 1870s, and which sought to apply biological concepts of natural selection and survival of the fittest to sociology and politics.^[1][2]

 

Social Darwinists generally argue that the strong should see their wealth and power increase while the weak should see their wealth and power decrease. Different social Darwinists have different views about which groups of people are the strong and the weak, and they also hold different opinions about the precise mechanism that should be used to promote strength and punish weakness. Many such views stress competition between individuals in laissez-faire capitalism, while others motivated ideas of eugenics, racism, imperialism,^[3]fascism, Nazism and struggle between national or racial groups.

 

Nazi Germany's justification for its aggression was regularly promoted in Nazi propaganda films depicting scenes such as beetles fighting in a lab setting to demonstrate the principles of "survival of the fittest" as depicted in Alles Leben ist Kampf (English translation: All Life is Struggle).

 

Hitler often refused to intervene in the promotion of officers and staff members, preferring instead to have them fight amongst themselves to force the "stronger" person to prevail—"strength" referring to those social forces void of virtue or principle.^[39] Key proponents were Alfred Rosenberg, who was hanged later at Nuremberg.

 

 

The argument that Nazi ideology was strongly influenced by social Darwinist ideas is often found in historical and social science literature.^[40] For example, the Jewish philosopher and historian Hannah Arendt analysed the historical development from a politically indifferent scientific Darwinism via social Darwinist ethics to racist ideology.^[41]

 

By 1985, the argument has been taken up by opponents of evolutionary theory.^[7] Such claims have been presented by creationists such as Jonathan Sarfati.^{[42][43][undue weight? – discuss]}Intelligent design creationism supporters have promoted this position as well. For example, it is a theme in the work of Richard Weikart, who is a historian at California State University, Stanislaus, and a senior fellow for the Center for Science and Culture of the Discovery Institute.^[44] It is also a main argument in the 2008 intelligent-design/creationist movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed. These claims are widely criticized within the academic community.^{[45][46][47][48][49][50]} The Anti-Defamation League has rejected such attempts to link Darwin's ideas with Nazi atrocities, and has stated that "Using the Holocaust in order to tarnish those who promote the theory of evolution is outrageous and trivializes the complex factors that led to the mass extermination of European Jewry."^[51]

 

 

^{What do you think were darwin´s idea´s the base for Hitler´s Nazism "Project"?}

Edited September 10, 2014 by standalone09

[kvnchrist]

I read the rise and fall of The Third Riech. Hitler cared nothing for no man other thanwhat service he could get from him and only his service. Those who were below him in rank, as he was benieth them all and they below any other in dispicableness. They were all a pethetic lot of losers who rose to power on the coat tails of greif, desperation and most of all hope of a change in the situation that Germany was in.

 

These followers slavishly vied for his approval and in so condemned the world to a period of darkness that hopefully none will see the likeness ever again. As for the officers in the military he had his favorites and the rest were at their own to get where they could while the slaughter continued.

 

Natural selection is one thing that provides an answer to who is better suited and is done without intent. What happened in Germany was intentional and unnecessary.

[Arcadiast]

oh, talking about the "good" stuff! where to begin.

 

Lets start with strenght. What is strenght? Lets take the literal approach where strenght means the power one could wield through his muscles or body. Compare a Boxer to a Wall Street Broker. Which of these two is stronger? we can agree that from a simple body strenght point of view the Boxer is a lot stronger than the Broker. Now in a Ring, I would bet all my money on the Boxer. However, things look very different when the game changes. In Wall Street my money is on the Broker.

 

So from a strict Darwinistic view, in the ring the Boxer "survives" while the Broker "perish" and on the Wall Street its vice versa. So how can anybody determine a generalistic formula to eradicate the weak? who the hell is weak? What the hell is weak?

 

Thats the first and biggest mistake Social Darwinists make. They think that they are capable of determining whats strong and whats weak.

 

Darwinists love to refer to Nature and its laws at any given opportunity. Lets see what Nature does shall we?

 

Nature does not exterminate actively the "weak". It sets up a playground and lets them all lose, giving every living thing some chances and some handicaps. Climate does not change with the goal to kill of organisms who can not adapt to it. Climate just changes. Vulkanic eruptions are not meant to eradicate defective genepools, vulkans just erupt because magma concentrates on some spots and the pressure cause an eruption and so on. Nature doesnt give a Dodo who lives and who dies.

 

Enter Humans, a very specific kind of Monkeys. Self aware and compared to other animals highly intelligent and downright fascinating, which exactly is their weakest point. Humans are very much aware of their "special Status" in the known realm. Our technological, philosophical, scientific, psychologic etc. achievements are, again compared to anything else we know, marvelous indeed. That blinds us. We think we are able to determine what is right and what is wrong, what is good and what is bad, who is weak and who is strong. While we do have certain capabilities concerning this, let me remind you that for quite a while those same humans believed that we live on a disc and you can fall off the edge. If you say "thats long gone we are now at the peak of our intellectual strenght" then let me give you another reminder, a vice-presidential Candidate for possibly the strongest nation on the world today said that she believes that the world is 6000 Years old. Again, this was said by a Person who could have wielded Power that would influence the whole World.

 

Besides, at some point in our lives, if we live long enough to experience it, nature shows us that we are all weak. So its not survival of the fittest, its survial of the weak.

 

Just one more, not so serious, comparison:

 

If you stand on rails and a train is coming at you you can do the following:

 

- you can "adapt" and step of the rails = you strong! you live!

 

- you can stay there and get run over by the train = you not adapted to situation, you weak, you dead

 

Thats evolution in a nutshell!

Edited September 10, 2014 by Arcadiast

[standalone09]

So you have absolutely nothing against "eliminating" the weak for the good of the superior one´s? Interesting :D

 

And dont say Humans are animals.... Im definetly not an animal..... dont know for yourself.....

Edited September 10, 2014 by standalone09

[kvnchrist]

We are all animals, some just chose to elevate themselves over base instincts, but is that because of the environment we reside in or a mental desition to rise above the frey?

 

The situation one inds themselves in quite often reveals more about a person than even that person knows about themselves. In fact imany people grasp failure from the jaws of sucess because they've already convenced themselves that they can't do what is required to be succesful.

 

I've seen bigger men fail when smaller men succeed because of this very fact.

[Stronglav]

We are all animals, some just chose to elevate themselves over base instincts, but is that because of the environment we reside in or a mental desition to rise above the frey?

I am not an animal.I am human.Don't know about you.And don't care.

BTW animals live on instincts.Are you saying you're the same?

Edited September 11, 2014 by Stronglav

[kvnchrist]

 

We are all animals, some just chose to elevate themselves over base instincts, but is that because of the environment we reside in or a mental desition to rise above the frey?

I am not an animal.I am human.Don't know about you.And don't care.

BTW animals live on instincts.Are you saying you're the same?

 

 

Don't be so proud of being on the top of the food chain. What we have connstructed around us to cator to our creature comforts is meaningless. Survival is what guides us and if that is in jepardy we revert back to that we truely were to begin with and that is an animal. You speak of animals if they are just instinct and nothing else. I know several animal lovers who would dissagree with you. But then again animals don't screw each other over for monitary gain and don't slaughter hundreds of their fellow beings just to rid the world of them.

[Arcadiast]

@standalone09 and Stronglav

 

thanks for proving my point I guess. See thats the kind of "pride" that makes us so vulnerable to people like Hitler. "Animal" is a term that a human finds offensive if directed at him. Why? because we regard those creatures we call animals as inferiour. They are beneath us.

 

Look at your reaction "I am not an animal, I dont know about you", both of you said that. This shows how much you get offended by even the most generalistic coining of the term.

 

This can be used against you.

 

What if I am an animal but you two are not? Since most Humans value being Human a lot more than being an Animal, this would mean that you feel superior to me. This means with the right form of propaganda and "marketing" you could be manipulated to exert violence against me. After all, since I am not Human but an Animal, its totally OK to treat me like one right? even your conscience would not be as much troubled as would be the case with another Human being.

 

Its by the way one of the most used war tactics. Make sure your enemy is different, preferably less, than you. Call them devils, demons, witches or animals, beasts, worms etc. Make sure that your people dont regard them as humans, it makes killing them so much easier.

 

Remember, killing Nazis was a good thing.

 

However, lets have a look what Wikipedia says about the term "Animal";

 

 

Animals are multicellular, eukaryotic organisms of the kingdom Animalia (also called Metazoa). Their body plan eventually becomes fixed as they develop, although some undergo a process of metamorphosis later on in their lives. Most animals are motile, meaning they can move spontaneously and independently. All animals must ingest other organisms or their products for sustenance (see Heterotroph).

 

From a biological point, the charakteristics of animals fully apply to humans (multicellular, eukaryotic, fixed body plan, motile, ingest other organisms). So humans may well be called animals but you are lucky. Since we humans have the control over what we call what, we decided to seperate us from the rest without a natural base to do so. Its called political correctness and as mentioned, serves to "calm" people down and make them feel "special". So dont worry, you are not animals. Only I am!

[standalone09]

Nobody is valuing anything you just seem to have problems seperating a man with a cat nevermind that...

 

just dont come up with "war tactics" please.... next thing you do will be telling me how God killed more folks then anybody else

including your dog or something like that....

 

you are really desperate about being an animal... have fun mate i will for sure :wink:

Edited September 14, 2014 by standalone09

[Marxist ßastard]

What on earth is this even? All you did was directly plagiarize from a Wikipedia page and then add a note at the end insinuating "Darwin = Hitler???".

 

I know that, this just being a random Morrowind fansite, the bar for "debate" was set low to begin with. But seriously? In my day if you wanted a flamewar you had to at least put in some effort.

Edited September 14, 2014 by Marxist ßastard