Why I believe the NCR is the best option

[Danny159]

 

Who says the tech of how to make more securitrons is lost?

Who says there isn't a manufacturing facility in the Securitron vault?

 

The reason House or Yesman can't make any more might just be the lack of power, remember you need to get more power for House/Yesman in some of the last stages of the game from a switch station. :wink:

That's a good point lol. Guess it's up to your own imagination whether there was or not. I'm not too sure personally what I want to believe, but either way the courier isn't privy to the information directly so i'm going to play it on the side of caution and assume there isn't until proven otherwise.

 

 

Just to add, the knowledge in how to make more securitrons would most definitely be in House's computer network, which should be able to be accessed by Yesman as well. ^^

[blaze1514]

 

 

Who says the tech of how to make more securitrons is lost?

Who says there isn't a manufacturing facility in the Securitron vault?

 

The reason House or Yesman can't make any more might just be the lack of power, remember you need to get more power for House/Yesman in some of the last stages of the game from a switch station. :wink:

That's a good point lol. Guess it's up to your own imagination whether there was or not. I'm not too sure personally what I want to believe, but either way the courier isn't privy to the information directly so i'm going to play it on the side of caution and assume there isn't until proven otherwise.

 

 

Just to add, the knowledge in how to make more securitrons would most definitely be in House's computer network, which should be able to be accessed by Yesman as well. ^^

 

 

Not only that...

 

 

WIKI: After activating the securitron army, the noise of moving hydraulics will sound throughout the vault, which points to additional robots being assembled in other unseen sections in the vault.

 

So there is more to support there being a productive aspect of the Securitron Vault than there not being one.

[JimboUK]

Those casinos would make a lot of money, enough surely to fund a militia of some kind? the securitrons would last long enough to get something more permanent in place.

[Relios]

I went for NCR my first playthrough, then, after some insight, I wished I had gone independent.

 

Don't get me wrong, I dont think the NCR are inherently bad, they're damn better than House and Legion, thats for sure, I just think a Messiah courier would be leagues better to lead the Mojave than NCR. NCR's good is entirely on its citizens and soldiers. Their leaders are another story....

 

NCR gives off the image of putting the people's vested interests as their main priority, this is not the case. In fact, in many instances, its obvious to me now that NCR is really written as an extreme towards the stereotypical negative aspects of a modern democracy.

 

One instance, as you stated, is the corruption. This really irks me, it just shows that when finance is involved, the higher-ups lose all semblance of justice, even when its at the expense of its own citizens (Case in point; nonviolent ending to Cass's arc.) A system isn't trustworthy when it can outright ignore your existence for the sake of extortion. The excessive taxation is also questionable, as they don't really do a whole lot for even those under their flag.

 

Another is a bit of a 2-in-1, as I don't really know what to chalk it out as. In terms of leadership and command, NCR is either utterly logistically incompetent, or just ridiculously indifferent towards anything that wont net them a direct profit in either capital or image. Take the very presence of troops in the strip. As soon as you walk in you just see drunken soldiers stumbling around in a stupor, a group puking on a sign from drinking too much, and MPs just barely keeping an eye on them. I don't have a problem with soldiers taking a bit of R&R, but when it's wartime and there are innocent bystanders being slaughtered in the land you're trying to liberate, I doubt its very efficient to keep what looks like a platoon of soldiers drinking their livers off and gambling away their paychecks in the strip, much less so when your excuse for not correcting plenty of messes is "we dont have enough men." What was stopping NCR from cutting a couple vacations short to help the stone miners of Sloan from the peak predators of the wasteland? Primm's hostage situation was left alone until your intervention due to a lack of manpower, yet, if you side with the Powder Gangers in the NCRCF quest line, you'll see that theres a bit ("bit") of a gross over-allocation of both troops and equipment. With how numerous and well-armed that little ("little") strike force was, you could've split them in half, and still have enough to wipe the floor with the Powder Gangers in the prison, as well as the convicts in Primm. The only real movement of soldiers is from Camp McCarran to Camp Forlorn Hope, and aside from a hostage situation in Nelson being performed by a handful of legionnaires (Which are already being shadowed by snipers) the only thing those soldiers are shooting at are Bloatflies, and even then, you'd think they'd send at least a scouting party to even see the one spot where Legion soldiers are spilling into the Mojave, one of only two single locations where the riverbank is level with the land around it, Cottonwood Cove. Going back to the incompetence, isn't it a bit disheartening when instead of working together towards like-minded goals, the NCR's martial and civil departments are too busy disagreeing and infighting?

 

The only real thing NCR has going for them is sheer numbers (contradictory, I know. Blame the writers,) and image, seeing as, technologically, they're as tribal as they were in the early days of Shady Sands. Considering how their way around Power Armor training is stripping the armor of its joints' gyro-motors and the strapping of an AC unit on the back instead of actual research (meaning that the wearer is really only wearing 40+ lbs of just metal which, with the existence of armor-piercing rounds, only makes the wearer a larger-massed slower-moving target) and that disaster waiting to happen named Mr Fantastic was being trusted to completely run Helios 1, It is terrifying to think what what they'd do with Hoover Dam. It is shocking how they managed to acquire and utilize a working vertibird without turning it into a bighorner wagon.

 

Just like how the only good Legion characters are the outcasts(Ulysses and Joshua,) the only good NCR characters are the ones being beaten down and abandoned by the system (Boone and Cass,) the system itself is garbage. I guess I supported them so much in my first playthrough because the wool was pulled over my eyes due to my love of Lyon's chapter, with NCR being the closest thing resembling them in NV, but eh, guess now I can only hope it's canonly acceptable to pretend that my Messiah courier kicked NCR and Legion out of Dodge, cleaned up and united the Mojave, and opened relations with that glorious pack of white knights in the Pentagon.

[blaze1514]

Well lets talk about the courier for a moment. What if he was in charge, with a friendly relationship with many/most of the factions in the Mohave.

 

1, Protection: Now that the paranoid House isn't around to keep the citizens from starting their own strip policing force, it is now possibe. Maybe it would use willing members of the Kings and Charmin. The surrounding towns can be protected by the desert rangers and militia forces.

 

2, Defense: Obviously Securatrons would be a major factor in military defense. There are also the boomers (and their bomber) that would jump at another target to destroy. Plus around 100-150 Mohave BoS members (who could probably be persuaded to maintain the strip and dam). Maybe you could persuade the Enclave Remnants to help protect vital people [like the courier, cass (who will probably be in charge of trade), etc...]

 

3, Trade: With the NCR gone, the Crimson Caravan and the Gun Runners are not going to feel the need to stick around. That means that the courier probably is going to need to start is own trade system. I would say that the best way to do this would be to incorparate any local/roving traders into a system of some sort

 

4, Health: With the NCR gone, the followers would now be the only large faction with a medical focus left in the Mohave. I would say that giving them full access to the strip and partial access to the L38 could lead to a healthy relationship.

 

5, Economy: Trade with other factions (like the NCR) would be hard at first. However I believe that if the courier agrees to keep supplying power to NCR territory via the dam, The may not just shoot down a truce or trade agreement of some sort.

Edited September 28, 2014 by blaze1514

[GeneralUser]

I don't believe the knowledge of building new securitrons is lost. At least not to the Courier. At Big MT there are clearly facilities that can manufacture advanced robots (Dr. Mobius' robo-scorpions were built on site). There is even a reasonably well preserved facility specifically dedicated to deconstructing and analyzing securitrons. It does not take much imagination to think that those facilities could be salvaged and/or retooled to be able to manufacture new (or even upgraded/improved) securitrons.