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[Surenas]

and it could lead to a more harmonious society.

SImple question. How?

 

 

Due to the omission of double standards ppl avoid a latent inner conflict that has to be managed externally - in public.

Probably only Mother Theresa had no such conflict, the rest of the show has seen demons on the edge of the bed acc. the lore...

[jaysus]

1.

more public presentation of the sex business would dimish the threat of extortion and other crimes related to it due to a vetter visibility and hence controlabilty (similiar to legalizing drugs, dont wanna know how many died due to the prohibition of alcohol and the cheap shine it produced)

 

2.

many self rightous people would feel annoyed and scared by it and would not want to see it -> i feel scared by the sight of justin bieber and those like her, or the church and its twisted views on life, still i have to endure it, same right for all i say

 

3.

it would lead to a less distorted view of sex if it would be treated as the natural thing it is -> less extreme "perverts", less sick mind

 

4.

it would loose a bit of its naughtiness and hence its appeal to some

[Vindekarr]

for the most part I agree with you.

 

A big problem here is that prostitutes weren't always gutter dwellers. it used to be a respectable proffesion in some countries, until reforms, mostly from the church's hatred of all "sins of the flesh" ie, sex, outlawed prostitution. these in some places are the modern laws even now and its gonna need to change. just have a good look at Brazil, children, and I mean children, are forced into prostitution by extreme poverty, and are then arrested and locked up for it, while the men who frequent them buy their way out of jail.

 

I for one think it should be legal, adult pornography does no societal damage when confined to adults. And the best way to restrict access to something is to make it legal and subject to standard sales regulations, making something illegal just pushes it underground, takes away all hope of it being controllable, and makes sure that a LOT more people are killed, injured and psychologicaly damaged as a result. The same thing goes for prostitution and strip cluns, making them legal via registered busniesses, and forcing them to obey standards laws, can only help the welfare of sex workers nationaly, a key problem is that a lot of conservatives see loose men and women as being amoral scum who sell themsslves into slavery out of their own choices, but a lot of whores are whores because they cant afford any other sort of life, they are, still human, and are no less deserving of the rights of humanity as a "righteous" individual such as a cleric or politician.

 

Legalisation of normaly underground business has only ever been successful in other countries, one nation recently trialed making the use narcotics legal: it shattered the local drug industry, hugely reduced the amount of overdoses, and doubled the amount of people seeking rehab, by making sure that addicts dont have to hunt down an illegal dealer, they instead have a fix at a sanctioned injecting room, and thus save themselves a huge amount of risk. Unlike narcotics however, sex is a natural part of human existance, sex for recreation and pleasure being not only a part of society for eons, but also a common behavior in other primates as well/

[Trandoshan]

I for one think it should be legal, adult pornography does no societal damage when confined to adults. And the best way to restrict access to something is to make it legal and subject to standard sales regulations, making something illegal just pushes it underground, takes away all hope of it being controllable, and makes sure that a LOT more people are killed, injured and psychologicaly damaged as a result. The same thing goes for prostitution and strip cluns, making them legal via registered busniesses, and forcing them to obey standards laws, can only help the welfare of sex workers nationaly, a key problem is that a lot of conservatives see loose men and women as being amoral scum who sell themsslves into slavery out of their own choices, but a lot of whores are whores because they cant afford any other sort of life, they are, still human, and are no less deserving of the rights of humanity as a "righteous" individual such as a cleric or politician.

 

It's just a shame that those people would have to give their bodies away due to a missing payment, or a need for college cash. I couldn't have said it better. Taking a law and removing something pleasurable to society will only cause the formation of a black market. The same holds for prohibition, and Marijuana.

I think you deserve... your first Kudos. I feel though, despite our parallel ideals on this subject, that sex should be relaxed in this nation (U.S.) and that welfare should not be given to those who would use their bodies for the darkest desire. There are already plenty of restrictions on the darkest desire, and I believe these laws should be loosened to keep government out. I've never been to a strip club, so I have no real authority on how it is, but this is supposedly our right to dangle the dongle in private quarters with however we want.... As long as it is consented on both sides, there should be no restriction on who does what with who. This includes pornographic videos, and prostitution. Since it is the choice of the prostitute to be a prostitute, I don't believe we should give them 'welfare'. Welfare being assistance from a government to "improve their employment chances". There are other aspects to welfare, but this one is the way to justify my statement. We don't want to make prostitution favorable through Welfare, but instead deter it by not offering assistance of any kind to the Bawdyhouses. This is in the respectable means of a government to control the spread of prostitution not by restring it, but by relaxing the laws enough to make prostitution less favorable. A good counter argument is that those who are being prostituted will receive harsh treatment from their employers/pimps, however, there are other opportunities to make money anywhere. If your situation is bad enough, you can apply for federal welfare. Prostitution is an unnecessary alternative really.

 

In summary, we meet both arguments half way in a sort of bi-partisan manner. The deal being 'let prostitution set up shop anywhere the want, but offer no assistance to these places'. This is capitalism in it's truest sense, and since we are dealing with prostitution and strip clubs, non-regulatory consideration must be given. Prostitutes aren't lowlifes, but their line of work could be easily changed. I can't say anything more, as asking prostitutes to stop shaking their money-makers, and do something productive.

 

There's my biased imput, good day.

[ginnyfizz]

I find this thread quite intriguing, however...

 

An assumption that objection to pornography and prostitution is the exclusive preserve of the religious. Not so. When I was a student, the red light area of my university city overlapped with the student area, and some of my fellow students suffered assaults and rape due to it being assumed they were prostitutes. Quite a lot of resistance to legitimising it all from that group.

 

For another, many of you seem to think that all forms of pornography and prostitution are consensual. They aren't. A lot of prostitutes of either sex are "on the game" to finance addictions, they are doing it out of sheer desperation or being coerced into it by the pimp who is selling them the drugs and perpetuating that vicious circle. And need I mention child pornography as an example of something non-consensual?

 

And certainly in the UK, I would hardly say that the sex industry is underground anyway, it's right in your face, whether you want it to be or not. Privates on parade, indeed. It isn't confined to the privacy of one's own home.

[Burnagirl]

Quite frankly, we all have a measure or a degree of "lust" lurking somewhere or other in our hearts and minds ... sex quite simply is not something that we're prepared to do away with

we all need it - for some it sooner rather than later.

 

This might be hard for the topic starter to imagine but the more "sacred" the act is viewed, then the more it will be honored in a relationship.

No woman wants the partner in her life to be running around with some cheap girlfriend from one of your "Prostitute boutiques" where your guy has gone for a quick "pick me upper".

For a start I don't know what's she got - STD wise - (neither do you), and I'm not in the mood to have her skanky smell on my furniture either and please do something about your breath.

 

What happened to love ... oh no wait that went out centuries ago right, who needs love let's just b*** like bunnies.

 

Sex is more than just getting off, during sex a chemical is released in the brain which in actual fact brings about the "bonding" between a couple.

I don't want to have the partner in my life "split up" if I can put it that way in his head with a bunch of other people, it's me or it's the door.

Also, I do not think it be a great idea seeing that we have "children" around, oh no wait who cares about them right ?

 

Due to a time constraint I can't really put everything down here that I'd like to however, I'd like to part with this,

 

If more women out there (yes we are really more to blame), and some men actually decided not to be so stuck up and as Xaviera Hiollander put it behaved more like

"whores in the bedroom" then most marriages would still be a going concern and a more faithful going concern too I might add.

The reason why men stray is because you're boring honey, sorry but that's just the truth, well in most cases anyway.

 

Relationships are very very important to me and if this is your mind set as well, well then I'm sure that these little cutsy prostitute and porn cafes will be a thing of the past,

where they belong with the rest of the garbage.

[Vindekarr]

Well.

 

Its not so much about putting prostitutes in reach of the ordinary man, its not about making porn acceptable, and its not about putting them in welfare. What I think needs to happen is a change in how laws aproach the whole idea. Simple fact is that the competition from legal establishments can usualy completely outcompete the black market within a few years, but the real advantage of legalised brothels is that they can be FORCED to stick to a code of conduct, and a list of safety regulations, whats more, it would be a lot easier to find out what your spouse is sneaking off to do if its legal, you never know whats inside an unmarked warehouse: a legalised brothel has a 30 foot neom sign, literaly. its also been proved a success in places such as Las Vegas, where soliciting is for the most part, legal, this doesn little to change how society sees prostitutes, which is, from my perspective, a good thing, but it does prevent them being exploited as much, or from becoming outright slaves as brothel owners can be struck down for cruelty to their employees, or for breaching the law.

 

Its just a better system, legalisation, and its been proved to work, in australia, where Im from, there was a long string of road fatalities from street racing, finaly, someone got it into their skull to open race tracks to the public on weekends, and that grealty decreased the problem. likewise for safe injecting rooms for drug addicts, to help them weaken and break their habits, and potentialy a legalisation of prostitution: to make the world a little bit safer and to make it easier to prosecute those deserving of it. Because on way or the other, there are always people in this world who via either lust, disloyalty, and or sex addiction, perceive themselves to need regular sex, you may aswell make sure that these people can feed their addictions legaly, else you risk a lot more collateral damage, via rapes, assaults and an entire black market subset, that could all be prevented by making this a grey market.

[Coous]

Well.

 

Its not so much about putting prostitutes in reach of the ordinary man, its not about making porn acceptable, and its not about putting them in welfare. What I think needs to happen is a change in how laws aproach the whole idea. Simple fact is that the competition from legal establishments can usualy completely outcompete the black market within a few years, but the real advantage of legalised brothels is that they can be FORCED to stick to a code of conduct, and a list of safety regulations, whats more, it would be a lot easier to find out what your spouse is sneaking off to do if its legal,

 

 

I had once read somewhere that either during the U.S. civil war or reconstruction that one of the military Governors of a town had problem with his men catching diseases from prostitutes,and ended up trying a lot of things one of them was send them down the Mississippi River on a steam boat. Well that didn't work because more rose up in the spots,and funnily enough he ended up getting the original prostitutes back too so he twice as many. He ended up legalizing it and putting a regulation on the thing to keep diseases from spreading by having everyone of them getting weekly check ups,and if found infected quarantine and treated in a hospital not allowed to leave until done.

 

It worked out well for the rest of time till the town and state rejoined the Union,but the whole irony about prostitutes is now they are considered usually scum of our society and back then in the west they helped found it and became very respectable members of the community and becoming future women's right activists,and most of the states in the west did have legal voting for women. The modern day prostitute becomes scum once the modern drugs run rampant through the country in the 1880s and early 1900's especially when opium made it here.

 

 

Just a little history lesson for you all to show yes prostitution can be control and actually very safe,but really that costs money and that's what we don't have to spend so it must take a back burner. On top of that would it really create a perfect or peaceful society? No it would not men will still cheat on women,and there will always be something in society that causes problems. To tell the truth though the idea of Utopian societies is overrated and just plain bad ideas. Also stardusk you seem to be one of them transcendentalists are you not?

[Surenas]

Have you, has your girlfriend or wife already made a HIV test that you call for safety and health of a business beyond your own bed that is as old as the first hunter clan some thousand years ago? Or are you still virgins, untouched? I guess not. So you have much faith, eh? And again we have to face the double standards of remote-controlled men, the dualism of religious founded ethics - the artificial taboo that has declared women for unclean per se - and that of the often unclean banana that speaks quite another language...

 

 

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[Aurielius]

I had once read somewhere that either during the U.S. civil war or reconstruction that one of the military Governors of a town had problem with his men catching diseases from prostitutes,and ended up trying a lot of things one of them was send them down the Mississippi River on a steam boat. Well that didn't work because more rose up in the spots,and funnily enough he ended up getting the original prostitutes back too so he twice as many. He ended up legalizing it and putting a regulation on the thing to keep diseases from spreading by having everyone of them getting weekly check ups,and if found infected quarantine and treated in a hospital not allowed to leave until done.

 

It worked out well for the rest of time till the town and state rejoined the Union,but the whole irony about prostitutes is now they are considered usually scum of our society and back then in the west they helped found it and became very respectable members of the community and becoming future women's right activists,and most of the states in the west did have legal voting for women. The modern day prostitute becomes scum once the modern drugs run rampant through the country in the 1880s and early 1900's especially when opium made it here.

 

The general in question was 'Spoons" Butler and the town was New Orleans.His nickname was given to him by the Confederate ladies of the town because he allegedly stole the silverware from the New Orleans mayor's home that he occupied. Butler was angered by the Southern ladies insulting his officers and posted the infamous general order 13 which said that any lady who insulted a Union Officer would be treated as a "lady of the town' a euphemism for a streetwalker. He is despised in the south to this day, but responsible for the sanctioning of the New Orleans red light district after all methods of suppression failed. As for the efficacy of his experiment that is a matter of debate.