Flaming NMM

[Medhai]

There is no use to this other than to maybe warn people. Tonight is the most POd ive ever been regarding PCs.

 

To free up disk space I deleted the 7z files in the NMM. Now, while NMM was running, and these files were DELETED, Skyrim was running fine with all of the mods installed. I decided I didn't like one little 'relaxed arm' animation because it made my character look like he had a stroke while he was dual wielding, so I wanted to delete it. When I tried in NMM, it NMM crashed. Upon reloading it, it started AUTOMATICALLY DELETING AND UNINSTALLING ALL OF MY MODS, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE INSTALLED AND WORKING FINE, BECAUSE THE ZIP FILES WERE DELETED.

 

WHY WAS IT PROGRAMMED LIKE THIS? TO REQUIRE FILES THAT ARE NOT ACTUALLY NEEDED??? I HAVE TO REINSTALL MY SKYRIM AND REDOWNLOAD 12GB OF MODS NOW BECAUSE OF THIS.

 

EVEN DISREGARDING THIS COLOSSAL SCREW UP ON NMM'S PART, EVEN IF IT DIDNT COMPLETELY SCREW ME OVER LIKE THIS - IT STILL MEANS THAT NMM'S METHOD OF INSTALLING AND DOWNLOADING MODS REQUIRES ME TO USE UP -TWICE- AS MUCH DISK SPACE AS I WOULD BY MANUALLY INSTALLING THEM!!!! WHAT A LOAD OF JUNK THIS PROGRAM IS!!!

[Hyacathusarullistad]

Manually removing archives from NMM's database is perfectly fine. But NMM loads a bunch of data at startup; so if you delete files while NMM is running, it's going to wonder what's going on when you tell it to do something and suddenly it's missing files it just had access to a second ago. More often than not this comes up in the form of an error telling you the program needs to be closed and sending you to a tracelog. This was a silly thing to do.

 

But the silliness doesn't end there! OP then decided they wanted to uninstall a mod, and expected NMM to be able to do so after he'd delete the mod's files from NMM's database. When you remove an archive from the NMM database, you're removing it from NMM itself. The deleted archive will no longer have a corresponding mod entry in NMM's list of mods. That's common sense - when you delete it, it's not there anymore. So when you then try to interact with an archive that no longer exists, NMM doesn't know what to do -- it was just there a minute ago, it knows where it should be; but it's not there, so the program crashes. Skyrim itself does the same thing when it runs across certain types of files that are no longer there. So the assumption that files are no longer needed simply because they've been deleted is flawed. It was programmed this way because that's how programming works.

Now, I know from my own experience that OP has left out a critical piece of information. When you delete archives from NMM's database and NMM has the mods associated with said archives marked as installed, NMM asks you if you want to uninstall the mod(s) it can no longer find archives for or continue with everything the way it is. The way NMM sees it, if you deleted the archive that could very well mean you don't want the mod anymore -- but if you've deleted the archive it doesn't show up in your mods list anymore, and thus NMM won't be able to uninstall it as it normally would. Clearly OP answered this question without a full understanding of what the notification meant, and is blaming the creators of NMM for their resulting misfortune.

 

Despite the fact that the problem is completely their own fault, it does suck that OP now has to re-download 12GB worth of mods. That's time - and bandwidth - consuming, and incredibly frustrating. But OP then makes yet another silly suggestion: that NMM somehow forces you to utilise more HD space than manual installation. Anyone who practises manual mod installation will tell you that deleting a mod archive once you've installed the mod is reckless and short sighted. How will you uninstall it later, if you decide you don't want it? How will you re-install it if something conflicts or overwrites something you don't want it to? Are you not going to have to re-download it again anyway when and/or if you start a new save on a clean install?

 

NMM is a remarkable program, provided to the community free of charge by volunteers who give up time they could spend doing other, probably more exciting or interesting things, for the sake of the community. OP has called them "screw up(s)", labeled their work "a load of junk", and made blatantly incorrect statements about the validity of the program out of plain and simple lack of basic knowledge as to how the program works.

[Reynard131]

There is no use to this other than to maybe warn people. Tonight is the most POd ive ever been regarding PCs.

 

To free up disk space I deleted the 7z files in the NMM. Now, while NMM was running, and these files were DELETED, Skyrim was running fine with all of the mods installed. I decided I didn't like one little 'relaxed arm' animation because it made my character look like he had a stroke while he was dual wielding, so I wanted to delete it. When I tried in NMM, it NMM crashed. Upon reloading it, it started AUTOMATICALLY DELETING AND UNINSTALLING ALL OF MY MODS, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE INSTALLED AND WORKING FINE, BECAUSE THE ZIP FILES WERE DELETED.

 

WHY WAS IT PROGRAMMED LIKE THIS? TO REQUIRE FILES THAT ARE NOT ACTUALLY NEEDED??? I HAVE TO REINSTALL MY SKYRIM AND REDOWNLOAD 12GB OF MODS NOW BECAUSE OF THIS.

 

EVEN DISREGARDING THIS COLOSSAL SCREW UP ON NMM'S PART, EVEN IF IT DIDNT COMPLETELY SCREW ME OVER LIKE THIS - IT STILL MEANS THAT NMM'S METHOD OF INSTALLING AND DOWNLOADING MODS REQUIRES ME TO USE UP -TWICE- AS MUCH DISK SPACE AS I WOULD BY MANUALLY INSTALLING THEM!!!! WHAT A LOAD OF JUNK THIS PROGRAM IS!!!

 

 

 

You are simply going to have to look at yourself... Operator error..the files are in your recycle... unless NTFB !!

 

 

Has nothing to do with NMM or Nexus...

Edited October 25, 2014 by Reynard131

[Shubal]

Go look for the mistake in the mirror. I understand your anger but you are misdirecting it.