Mehrunes Dagon VS. Liberty Prime

[kieranfoy]

When a Daedra is slain on the Mundus, the mortal plain, their 'animus' or spirit flees back to the Waters of Oblivion, where it is reborn. So, yeah, immortal. It's said that a daedra killed in Oblivion is permanently dead, though. Daedric princes, wherever you kill them, are just weakened by it.

 

 

[ub3rman123]

According to lore, though, isn't Tamriel Mehrunes' plane? So Daedra killed there are dead permanantly.

[Illiad86]

ah this always confuses me...lol. This explains it rather well I guess:

 

In the beginning there was only void, a vast nothingness. This is Sithis, a state of nothingness and constant mutation. The Aldmer called the void "Anu." In fact, Anu and Padomay (Is - Is Not) are part of the void. The interplay of Anu and Padomay created the Aurbis. It is the Gray Center between Is and Is Not of Anu and Padomay. It contains the realms of Aetherius and Oblivion, as well as others in less structured forms. The Aldmer see the Aurbis as Anuiel, the Soul of Anu the Void.

 

At first the Aurbis was turbulent, and things did not last. This is because Anuiel was using Sithis to ponder himself in every possibility. In any case, from Anuiel and Sithis sprang the et'Ada, or the Original Spirits. The et'Ada did not align to anything yet, they moved towards the light or the dark, and then returned in the opposite direction without their own notice, dissolving when they hit the perfect gray again. The first et'Ada were new and they often made mistakes, for there was hardly time to practice being things before. So most things ended quickly or were not good or gave up on themselves. This was a violent time.

 

Akatosh, (known as Auriel by the Aldmer) one of the et'Ada, discovered how to avoid this process or was given the knowledge by Anuiel. The knowledge was Time. Soon the et'Ada filled the Aurbis until the Aurbis was full and separated in two groups. Those who align to Anu reside in Aetherius and those who align to Padomay reside in Oblivion.

 

Lorkhan aligned to Padomay, but preferred the state of Sithis rather than the separation. Lorkhan brought a concept of a world, of becoming mothers and fathers, of being responsible, and making great sacrifices, but with no guarantee of success to all of the et'Ada. The et'Ada were split into two factions. One faction was excited and immediately started the project. Magnus (et'Ada of Magic) participated as the architect on the creation of the world. Kynareth (et'Ada of Air) provided the space for the world in the void. Akatosh, Y'ffre, Zenithar, Julianos and many others were part of this faction that is now known as the Aedra. The other faction of et'Ada who did not want to participate on the project is now known as the Daedra.

 

Then, the Mortal Realm, or Mundus was created, being a mix of both Anu and Padomay aligned et'Ada, and it is close to Sithis. (After all, things are born, procreate and die over and over again without ever really getting anything that lasts forever). The process of creation was painful and left most of the Aedra weak, no longer young, strong, and powerful, as they had been from the beginning of days. As their aspects began to die off, many of the Aedra vanished completely.

 

The remaining Aedra realized that they were tricked, but it was too late. Magnus decided to abandon the project and left to Aetherius. The rest of the Aedra came together in the Adamantine Tower and conducted a meeting. Yet, the meeting was unfruitful. Most of the Aedra left, went back to Aetherius following Magnus. Some were decided to stay in order to preserve what they had done. This group transformed themselves into Ehlnofey (the Earthbones). Y'ffre was among this group, he was the first to transform to Ehlnofey and then the laws of nature were established. The last eight Aedra (Akatosh, Julianos, Arkay, Mara, Dibella, Zenithar, Stendarr and Kynareth) exist as the gods.

 

According to the Aldmeri legend, there was a great war between Auriel (Akatosh) and Lorkhan. Auriel's greatest knight, Trinimac knocked down Lorkhan and took his Heart. Lorkhan was said undone, dead. But when Trinimac and Auriel wanted to destroy the Heart, it laughed at them and said, "This Heart is the heart of the world, for one was made to satisfy the other." So Auriel fastened the Heart to an arrow and cast it from the Adamantine Tower. The Heart landed on the eastern part of Tamriel and a great Volcano formed, a Volcano now known as Vvardenfell.

 

The Daedra are still strong and "incorruptible." They created the Daedric Realms in Oblivion, with all the inhabitants, the lesser Daedra. The Daedra were pleased of what they had done, but sometimes they looked with envy over the Mortal Realm. They found that the ambitions and the passions of mortals are sometimes entertaining and beyond their expectation. The actions and thoughts of mortals are different than the minions they created. Thus do the Daedra court and seduce certain amusing specimens of the Mortal Races, especially the passionate and powerful. It was also another satisfaction for the Daedra to steal or corrupt anything that the Aedra had created.

 

After Magnus left, the Mundus was stabilized and Aldmeri history began. This was the end of the Dawn Era and the start of the Merethic Era (ME2500).

 

Cameron:

 

Ask yourself! How is it that mighty gods die, yet the Daedra stand incorruptible? How is it that the Daedra forthrightly proclaim themselves to man, while the gods cower behind statues and the faithless words of traitor-priests?

 

It is simple... they are not gods at all. The truth has been in front of you since first you were born: the Daedra are the true gods of this universe. Julianos and Dibella and Stendarr are all Lorkhan's betrayers, posing as divinities in a principality that has lost its guiding light. What are Scholarship, Love, and Mercy when compared to Fate, Night, and Destruction? The gods you worship are trifling shadows of First Causes.

 

They have tricked you for Ages.

 

Why do you think your world has always been contested ground, the arena of powers and immortals? It is Tamriel, the realm of Change, brother to Madness, sister to Deceit. Your false gods could not entirely rewrite history. Thus you remember tales of Lorkhan, vilified, a dead trickster, whose heart came to Tamriel. But if a god can die, how does his heart survive?

 

He is daedroth! TAMRIEL AE DAEDROTH!

 

"This Heart is the heart of the world, for one was made to satisfy the other." You all remember this. It is in every legend. Daedra cannot die, so your so-called gods cannot erase him from your minds completely.

 

 

Mythic Aurbis exists, and has existed from time without measure, as a fanciful Unnatural Realm.

 

'Aurbis' is used to connote the imperceptible Penumbra, the Gray Center between the IS/IS NOT of Anu and Padomay. It contains the multitude realms of Aetherius and Oblivion, as well as other, less structured forms.

 

The magical beings of Mythic Aurbis live for a long time and have complex narrative lives, creating the patterns of myth.

 

These are spirits made from bits of the immortal polarity. The first of these was Akatosh the Time Dragon, whose formation made it easier for other spirits to structure themselves. Gods and demons form and reform and procreate.

 

Finally, the magical beings of Mythic Aurbis told the ultimate story -- that of their own death. For some this was an artistic transfiguration into the concrete, non-magical substance of the world. For others, this was a war in which all were slain, their bodies becoming the substance of the world. For yet others, this was a romantic marriage and parenthood, with the parent spirits naturally having to die and give way to the succeeding mortal races.

 

The agent of this communal decision was Lorkhan, whom most early myths vilify as a trickster or deceiver. More sympathetic versions of this story point out Lorkhan as being the reason the mortal plane exists at all.

 

The magical beings created the races of the mortal Aurbis in their own image, either consciously as artists and craftsmen, or as the fecund rotting matter out of which the mortals sprung forth, or in a variety of other analogical senses.

 

The magical beings, then, having died, became the et'Ada. The et'Ada are the things perceived and revered by the mortals as gods, spirits, or geniuses of Aurbis. Through their deaths, these magical beings separated themselves in nature from the other magical beings of the Unnatural realms.

 

The Daedra were created at this time also, being spirits and Gods more attuned to Oblivion, or that realm closer to the Void of Padomay. This act is the dawn of the Mythic (Merethic) Era. It has been perceived by the earliest mortals many different ways, either as a joyous 'second creation', or (especially by the Elves) as a painful fracturing from the divine. The originator of the event is always Lorkhan.

 

this is what I love about The Elder Scrolls...the lore is so fricking awesome. But, still confusing :P Each race has their own feeling of how it was all done.

[Deleted1848331User]

Liberty Prime would waste his ass then, since ub3rman is right about the plane thing xD lol i had to say that. Ok, who would win, Megatron or Liberty Prime? Also, illiad, your little "poem" confused me... :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash:

 

yay for simutaneous headbashing!

[ub3rman123]

So it depends on where they fight. However, is seems that Mehrunes has a penchant for hanging out in places he doesn't belong. Suppose they fought in the Wasteland? Then he's immortal anyways.

 

So assuming both parties can die, neither can bring minions, and the only weapons they can use are attached to their character models (As in, Mehrunes can't just grab one of Prime's nukes and lob it at him).. Who would win..

[DarkNinja13]

So it depends on where they fight. However, is seems that Mehrunes has a penchant for hanging out in places he doesn't belong. Suppose they fought in the Wasteland? Then he's immortal anyways.

 

So assuming both parties can die, neither can bring minions, and the only weapons they can use are attached to their character models (As in, Mehrunes can't just grab one of Prime's nukes and lob it at him).. Who would win..

 

All it'd take is Dagan grabbing Prime's head - *snap* there it goes :ohmy:

Prime is too just too slow

[Keanumoreira]

So it depends on where they fight. However, is seems that Mehrunes has a penchant for hanging out in places he doesn't belong. Suppose they fought in the Wasteland? Then he's immortal anyways.

 

So assuming both parties can die, neither can bring minions, and the only weapons they can use are attached to their character models (As in, Mehrunes can't just grab one of Prime's nukes and lob it at him).. Who would win..

 

Not quite, a Deadric Prince can't die, or die die, they only go unconcious or in rare cases like Sherogorath, they are transported to other realms.

[UncleRoe]

The deadra rulers have been around for many hundreds of years. The process of converting other lands into oblivion planes usually splits the land into two nations.. the natives and the daedra. These two statements are of COMMUNISM.. and optimus prime says communism isn't a choice..If anything..unleashing a war machine into oblivion would prevent all TES sequels from being made..because the oblivion planes are filled with RED..and according to optimus prime.. it's better to be dead..than red..

[ub3rman123]

Do would just knocking out Dagon count as a victory?

 

I need to use my modding skills to just temporarily put Dagon into Fallout 3, to see what happens.

[TheCalliton]

The deadra rulers have been around for many hundreds of years. The process of converting other lands into oblivion planes usually splits the land into two nations.. the natives and the daedra. These two statements are of COMMUNISM.. and optimus prime says communism isn't a choice..If anything..unleashing a war machine into oblivion would prevent all TES sequels from being made..because the oblivion planes are filled with RED..and according to optimus prime.. it's better to be dead..than red..

optimus prime?