Wrye Bash + Missing Eye Textures

[Domas]

After downloading Wrye Bash and getting my bashed patch to work, I was hoping this would fix the "missing textures" of nearly EVERY NPC's eyes. A good 95% of NPCs I encounter have "black" eyes. Nothing there at all but an empty void. It has gotten to the point where I can't get myself to sit down and ignore it, knowing I was unable to resolve this issue.

 

I recently downloaded Cobl Races TNR (name of the esp) which "Changes the face, eyes, hair of 1215 NPCs. Now NPCs are far more distinguishable from one another, and the races themselves are also far more distinct." My hopes were shattered when I installed, rebuilt my bashed patch, and nothing changed. This leads me to believe that it could possibly be my actual textures are messed up?

 

I have reinstalled HGEC, Male Body Replacers, and Demon Race; the only mods I could think of that either change appearance or add new eye textures.

 

If anyone has any idea of what is causing this and/or how to fix it, I will be forever grateful. You have no idea how annoying it is to explore a world where every NPC of any race has a black void where eyes should be.

 

On a side note, in Wrye Bash, ESMs are Blue, ESPs are black, Merged ESPs are green. Fine, that's normal. But why is Cobl Races TNR.esp and Cobl Races TNR SI.esp Purple? Their checkmarks are green, but text purple. I have checked the Wrye Bash.html "readme" and it doesn't say a word about it. All the readme says is, "• Text Colors

• Blue: An esm file.

• Green: A mod marked as mergeable (see Merge Patches)."

 

Maybe getting those purple ESPs to green would fix my issue?

 

Anyway, here is my load order, which has been BOSSed, Bashed, and works perfectly to my knowledge, apart from the eye issue.

 

Oblivion.esm

Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm

Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm

Cobl Main.esm

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm

Mart's Monster Mod.esm

FCOM_Convergence.esm

Better Cities Resources.esm

HorseCombatMaster.esm

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

Better Cities .esp

Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp

Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp

Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp

Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp

FCOM_Francescos.esp

FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp

FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp

WindowLightingSystem.esp

Map Marker Overhaul.esp

Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp

DLCHorseArmor.esp

DLCOrrery.esp

DLCVileLair.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

DLCSpellTomes.esp

MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp

DLCThievesDen.esp

Cobl Glue.esp

Cobl Si.esp

Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp

FCOM_BobsArmory.esp

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp

FCOM_Cobl.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp

FCOM_Convergence.esp

FCOM_RealSwords.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - No Blood.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - No Undead Rise.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp

GlenvarCastle.esp

MolagBalTreasury.esp

za_bankmod.esp

DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

DLCFrostcrag.esp

Knights.esp

Castle_Almgard-V2.esp

Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp

Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp

RenGuardOverhaul.esp

Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp

DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp

Kobu's Character Advancement System.esp

Kobu's Jack-of-All-Trades Mod.esp

Kobu's Lighter Backpack Mod.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp

DemonRace.esp

Beautiful PeopleV22 - MaleReplacerV4.esp

Cobl Races.esp

Cobl Races TNR.esp <<<<<<<<<<<<<<GREEN

Cobl Races TNR SI.esp <<<<<<<<<<<<<<GREEN

Cobl Races - Balanced.esp

Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp

Better Cities Full.esp

Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp

Better Imperial City.esp

Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp

Better Cities - COBL.esp

Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp

Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp

Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

Here are even my settings selected that I believe could be of use to figuring this issue out. Do I need to Import Actors, Factions, etc...? Wouldn't they work just by marking everything as Mergable, rebuilding my Bashed Patch, and having the originals load as it is? Or do I need to go ahead and import everything that precedes with the word "Import" in order to "Bash" my mods together and make them work more fluid?

 

Rebuild Patch01

Rebuild Patch02

Rebuild Patch03

EDIT: Rebuilt patch again after noticing Import NPC Faces... Still a no-go.

Rebuild Patch04

 

Again, much thanks in advance to anyone who could shed some light on this issue, and taking the time to read through all this. Very much appreciated.

Edited July 31, 2010 by Domas

[Tomlong54210]

Please, post your load order via Wrye Bash in the future - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=know_how_to#PostYourLoadOrder

 

Beautiful PeopleV22 - MaleReplacerV4.esp <-- Get rid of this old plugin, and reinstall BC correctly, please. Actually, this mod is incompatible with COBL Races, completely and absolutely. Choose one or the other. They use different eye meshes. The added content is largely redundant, anyway...

[Hickory]

One of the first mods to check is Beautiful People, as this mod replaces standard eye meshes. Even Wrye Bash has problems with this. From the Wrye Bash help file:

"When bash does its filtering, it determines what eye mesh each eye is using, and then filters the eyes for a given race to so that only eyes using the same mesh will be used. This is why it's important for mesh resources to be consistent."

 

Since you are using BOSS, you should consider setting Wrye Bash to automatic tagging -- bottom right window (Bash Tags)....right click and select 'Automatic'. This uses the tag suggestions for known mods from the BOSS masterlist.

 

I've never seen purple colours in Wrye Bash -- pink, but not purple. Pink background means files with same file time/date.

[Tomlong54210]

One of the first mods to check is Beautiful People, as this mod replaces standard eye meshes. Even Wrye Bash has problems with this. From the Wrye Bash help file:

"When bash does its filtering, it determines what eye mesh each eye is using, and then filters the eyes for a given race to so that only eyes using the same mesh will be used. This is why it's important for mesh resources to be consistent."

 

Since you are using BOSS, you should consider setting Wrye Bash to automatic tagging -- bottom right window (Bash Tags)....right click and select 'Automatic'. This uses the tag suggestions for known mods from the BOSS masterlist.

 

I've never seen purple colours in Wrye Bash -- pink, but not purple. Pink background means files with same file time/date.

If the OP is running BOSS and seeing red highlight, that might be indicative of Lock Times being left on during the BOSS run.

 

Finishing the Installation - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=finishing_the_installation

[Domas]

Beautiful PeopleV22 - MaleReplacerV4.esp <-- Get rid of this old plugin, and reinstall BC correctly, please. Actually, this mod is incompatible with COBL Races, completely and absolutely. Choose one or the other. They use different eye meshes. The added content is largely redundant, anyway...

 

I unloaded Beautiful PeopleV22 - MaleReplacerV4.esp and rebuilt my merged patch. Works perfectly now - People actually have eyes! But what exactly conflicts with Cobl Races? JUST the aforementioned esp? Or the entire Male Body Replacer? The only error I get is a conflicting mesh with HGEC, but so far had no problems so have just ignored it. Plus, by the description in OBMM, Cobl Races adds races, hair, eyes, but doesn't mention Body.

[Tomlong54210]

Robert's mod is merged into the Bashed Patch, which is another reason why you did not need that BP-Robert plugin. The problem is that COBL Races and Beautiful People are both cosmetic compilations that overhaul the vanilla races. They are simply incompatible. The body data is part of the RACE record. It does not matter which part of the record is modified, only that it is. BP does not modify the body data anymore than COBL Races does. Actually, I think COBL Races might change some of the body data settings. BP does not. However, none of that matters. COBL Races and BP are also even more incompatible because they use different eye meshes, hence the eye-related problem.

 

Installing Mods - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=installing_mods

 

Mod Compatibility & Conflicts - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=mod_conflicts

[Domas]

Alas, I'm not sure what else is causing this, but my eye textures are gone once again. Totally removed Robert's mod. I'm going to screw around with it tomorrow I think. Almost seems not worth it, or that I should just reinstall everything, including Oblivion, one at a time to find out what it is.

 

Also, here's my loadout via wrye bash, if the version numbers help at all....

 

Active Mod Files:
00  Oblivion.esm
01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]
02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]
03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]
04  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]
05  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]
06  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9a7]
07  Better Cities Resources.esm
08  HorseCombatMaster.esm
09  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]
0A  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]
0B  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0C  Better Cities .esp
0D  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
0E  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
0F  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
10  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
11  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
12  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
13  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
14  WindowLightingSystem.esp
15  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.5.2]
16  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]
17  DLCHorseArmor.esp
18  DLCOrrery.esp
19  DLCVileLair.esp
1A  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
1B  DLCSpellTomes.esp
1C  DLCThievesDen.esp
1D  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]
1E  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]
++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]
1F  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
20  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
21  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]
22  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
23  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
24  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
25  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
26  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
27  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
28  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
29  Mart's Monster Mod - No Blood.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
2A  Mart's Monster Mod - No Undead Rise.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
2B  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
2C  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
2D  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
2E  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
2F  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
30  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
31  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
32  GlenvarCastle.esp
33  MolagBalTreasury.esp
34  za_bankmod.esp
35  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
36  DLCFrostcrag.esp
37  Knights.esp
38  Castle_Almgard-V2.esp
39  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]
3A  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
3B  Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp
3C  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
3D  Kobu's Character Advancement System.esp
3E  Kobu's Jack-of-All-Trades Mod.esp
3F  Kobu's Lighter Backpack Mod.esp
40  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
41  DemonRace.esp  [Version 2.9.16]
42  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]
43  Cobl Races TNR.esp  [Version 1.53]
44  Cobl Races TNR SI.esp  [Version 1.53]
45  Cobl Races - Balanced.esp  [Version 1.52]
46  Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp
47  Better Cities Full.esp
48  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp
49  Better Imperial City.esp
4A  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp
4B  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2]
4C  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp
4D  Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp
4E  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]
4F  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

[Tomlong54210]

Why did you uninstall Robert's mod? It does not install eye files. Did you do anything else, change your Bash config, perhaps?

[Domas]

Why did you uninstall Robert's mod? It does not install eye files. Did you do anything else, change your Bash config, perhaps?

 

I thought you said it was totally incompatible? Either way it fixed it temporarily, at least for the Guard NPCs that I was testing on. Then I moved to the Arena and everyone has those "black eyes." I then rebuilt my bashed patch to include "Race Records" and the following race mods: OOO.esp, MMM-Resized Races.esp, DemonRace.esp, Cobl Races.esp, and Cobl Races - Balanced.esp. Rebuilding with those checked solved nothing but changing the "Blind" (White) eyes of my Demon character to some crazy blue/purple texture.

 

I'll reinstall Robert's male body replacer, excluding the extra esp you were mentioning, assuming that's all the is incompatible.

 

Also, on a side-note, Cobl Tweaks.esp randomly ghosted itself. Not sure why, and not that that has anything to do with eye textures, just kind of odd. Going to mark as "Don't Ghost"

 

I'll test some more tomorrow after work sometime around 3pm est. Thanks a bunch for your help, I'm sure I'll fix it somehow. :thumbsup:

 

 

EDIT: Finally had some time to work on getting my game fixed today. Not sure what exactly what it was that was causing the problem, but this seemed to fix it:

 

-Reinstalled Robert's mod, disabled its optional addon.

-disabled Cobl Races TNR and TNR SI.esp's

-Rebuilt my bashed patch and unchecked Race Records

 

So far so good, no problems whatsoever.

 

Thanks for all the help!

Edited August 3, 2010 by Domas