The Tea Party

[Kendo 2]

I probably should not be getting into this particular conversation, but I was not aware that the contract that the Tea Party proposes says anything specific about MR. Obama.

 

It doesn't. I threw that in as a kicker since the race card is being tossed around by people who don't have a freak'n clue. You see, the uniformed blind ticket Liberals and the Liberal media are attempting to discredit the Tea Party. One of their favorite tactics is to use accusations of racism when they run out of real options, so they resort to race baiting. Read back through this thread. 'The Tea Party are a pack of racists.' has been tossed out more than once, yet NO PROOF exists the Tea Party condones racism, unless of course you count the opinions of MSNBC, Rosey O'Donald and Janeane Garofalo as reliable sources.

[grannywils]

I probably should not be getting into this particular conversation, but I was not aware that the contract that the Tea Party proposes says anything specific about MR. Obama.

 

It doesn't. I threw that in as a kicker since the race card is being tossed around by people who don't have a freak'n clue. You see, the uniformed blind ticket Liberals and the Liberal media are attempting to discredit the Tea Party. One of their favorite tactics is to use accusations of racism when they run out of real options, so they resort to race baiting. Read back through this thread. 'The Tea Party are a pack of racists.' has been tossed out more than once, yet NO PROOF exists the Tea Party condones racism, unless of course you count the opinions of MSNBC, Rosey O'Donald and Janeane Garofalo as reliable sources.

 

Ok, I'll drop out of this conversation. I'm sure that you are right about some people tossing around that sort of thing. I'm not one of those people, but I am a liberal who does not believe that race does have or should have anything to do with this particular debate or subject.

[Kendo 2]

...does not believe that race does have or should have anything to do with this particular debate or subject.

 

I agree. :thumbsup:

[Aurielius]

@Grannywils

It was not one posters rant that changed my mind but rather a reflection of the aims of the Tea Party's Charter, once I began to reflect on their goals in large part but not all I found that they correlated to my view of government. I have always been at odds with the current administration's agenda but not favor of the radical Christian right's agenda either. This charter makes it possible for a fiscal conservative to see a way forward. Point by point I laid out where and what I thought of each proposal, though I did not give an extensive thesis on each one which might become more necessary as this debate continues. I still have misgivings about the leadership's ultimate goals for the movement but some research has lead me to believe that it is grass roots in nature. Citizenship requires that I do not stand by and let others pick a path that I disagree with, the Tea Party is more of a vehicle for conservatives than the actual republican party as it now is constituted.

[JimboUK]

I've just read this "Contract From America" and health care aside it's not unlike what our government in the UK are planning/doing, unfortunately because we are still running a huge deficit and have debts well over 100% of GDP (nearly $40,000 for every man, woman and child) the tax cuts are going to have to wait.

[Sinophile]

Agree entirely Silver DNA. And hehe...old Winston was a master of the political insult, at risk of derailing I cannot resist this saying of the great man on the subject of the Labour leader Clement Attlee who ousted him as Prime Minister at the end of WW2

The topic has been going on for 9 pages, it's already been derailed. I myself can barely read, let alone respond to all the different topics in this thread alone.

 

 

It doesn't. I threw that in as a kicker since the race card is being tossed around by people who don't have a freak'n clue. You see, the uniformed blind ticket Liberals and the Liberal media are attempting to discredit the Tea Party. One of their favorite tactics is to use accusations of racism when they run out of real options, so they resort to race baiting. Read back through this thread. 'The Tea Party are a pack of racists.' has been tossed out more than once, yet NO PROOF exists the Tea Party condones racism, unless of course you count the opinions of MSNBC, Rosey O'Donald and Janeane Garofalo as reliable sources.

if Obama's father was from a predominantly white christian country such as England or Russia, would they be asking to see his birth certificate? The fact that he, or his father was Muslim is oftentimes come into question(He sworn in on the Quran, but attended a christian church in Chicago). As far the accusations of racism, no one in this day and age will blatantly say that they are racist. It does seem however, that a racist cartoon or something similar is published, which could or could not be interpereted as racism(see link below).

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/tea_party_comix_creator_speaks_theyre_not_racist_t.php

 

 

What did you think of Teddy Roosevelt or FDR?

I believe that FDR created the Civilian conservation Core, a government program that provided jobs during the great depression, and created many of the National Parks that we enjoy today. If Obama were to start a similar program, he'd be labeled a socialist, and accused of unnecessary government spending.

[Aurielius]

 

It doesn't. I threw that in as a kicker since the race card is being tossed around by people who don't have a freak'n clue. You see, the uniformed blind ticket Liberals and the Liberal media are attempting to discredit the Tea Party. One of their favorite tactics is to use accusations of racism when they run out of real options, so they resort to race baiting. Read back through this thread. 'The Tea Party are a pack of racists.' has been tossed out more than once, yet NO PROOF exists the Tea Party condones racism, unless of course you count the opinions of MSNBC, Rosey O'Donald and Janeane Garofalo as reliable sources.

if Obama's father was from a predominantly white christian country such as England or Russia, would they be asking to see his birth certificate? The fact that he, or his father was Muslim is oftentimes come into question(He sworn in on the Quran, but attended a christian church in Chicago). As far the accusations of racism, no one in this day and age will blatantly say that they are racist. It does seem however, that a racist cartoon or something similar is published, which could or could not be interpereted as racism(see link below).

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/tea_party_comix_creator_speaks_theyre_not_racist_t.php

 

The poster was in poor taste, but if you gave me a nickel for every time Bush was viciously caricatured I could retire now. One adherent does not a movement discredit, as much as you seem to want to do.If i remember correctly the left went into every facet flaw of Bush's pre campaign history in order to malign him.

 

 

What did you think of Teddy Roosevelt or FDR?

I believe that FDR created the Civilian conservation Core, a government program that provided jobs during the great depression, and created many of the National Parks that we enjoy today. If Obama were to start a similar program, he'd be labeled a socialist, and accused of unnecessary government spending.

FDR was roundly criticized for his unconstitutional use of executive power in creating the WPA. in fact it eventually went to the Supreme Court. FDR was labeled a socialist and accused of illegal spending through executive orders. It is amusing that you compare the two of them. BTW the National Parks were created by Theodore Roosevelt not FDR.

[grannywils]

This has nothing to do with Aurielius' above response to Sinophile regarding FDR and Teddy Roosevelt. Just wanted to mention that the original question was posed by me to Ginnyfizz when she mentioned a couple of our presidents whom she had admired. I just wondered what she thought of those two. I don't believe she has had an opportunity to respond up until now.

[Sinophile]

FDR was labeled a socialist and accused of illegal spending through executive orders. It is amusing that you compare the two of them.

He was also credited with ending the great depression(although like all economics, the great depression may have ended for other reasons). I've heard a lot of political pundits compare the two men, and you seem to find more comparisons between them than I do. Both were leaders in the middle of a financial Crisis. I suppose my main point is, socialism and capitalism are economic systems, not forms of governments. No country is 100% capitalist or socialist. Secondly, I believe Marx stated that socialism needed a democracy to work, as socialism under a totalitarian government is a defacto feudal government.

 

Just wanted to mention that the original question was posed by me to Ginnyfizz when she mentioned a couple of our presidents whom she had admired. I just wondered what she thought of those two. I don't believe she has had an opportunity to respond up until now.

If the question was meant only for Ginny, you could've sent her a PM.

[grannywils]

FDR was labeled a socialist and accused of illegal spending through executive orders. It is amusing that you compare the two of them.

He was also credited with ending the great depression(although like all economics, the great depression may have ended for other reasons). I've heard a lot of political pundits compare the two men, and you seem to find more comparisons between them than I do. Both were leaders in the middle of a financial Crisis. I suppose my main point is, socialism and capitalism are economic systems, not forms of governments. No country is 100% capitalist or socialist. Secondly, I believe Marx stated that socialism needed a democracy to work, as socialism under a totalitarian government is a defacto feudal government.

 

Just wanted to mention that the original question was posed by me to Ginnyfizz when she mentioned a couple of our presidents whom she had admired. I just wondered what she thought of those two. I don't believe she has had an opportunity to respond up until now.

If the question was meant only for Ginny, you could've sent her a PM.

 

I didn't mean that it was meant only for Ginny, I just meant that I had posted it on the bottom of her post mentioning her admiration for two of our previous presidents, George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. She indicated at that time that she thought Mr. Obama had a long way to go to reach their standards. I then asked what she thought of the aforementioned two Roosevelts. I was not trying to imply that no one else could give an opinion. I was just attempting to clarify where that question came from.