Apocolypse Now, Digital Rights Management 1.0

[ThetaOrionis01]

They won't be able to sell their software in countries where it is illegal to sell TCPA enabled software. So either they make a different version for international markets, or they lose those markets.

 

And I think that might just give a boost to the IT industry in those countries...

[HeLLL]

Helll:

 

Also this is a American issue. Remember your laws DO NOT AFFECT ME.

 

Last time I checked, New Zealand isn't completely self-contained in terms of software, nor is it self-sustained in terms of hardware. Most of the former will be TCPA-enabled, and virtually all of the latter will have DRM built-in. AMD and Intel, which almost certainly make up the vast majority of the processor market, are rabid supporters of TCPA. If the box on their new Pee Five says that viruses will simply cease to exist, people will take to it like sheep.

 

Also, this is not simply an American issue. If legistation is passsed here, that legislation will inevitably spread, because, as it has been stated, people are idiots, especially those who hold power. If your grand supreme overlord decides that if all computers are DRM, all viruses simply disappear, legislation will be passed in kangaroo land.

:lol: Hey buddy. There aint no kangaroos here :P Wrong country. We are "kiwis". Small flightless nocturnal birds. :D

 

You say that this will spread and other countries will adopt this as follows. Well I disagree. New Zealand has a long line of doing what the PEOPLE want. Back in the eighties New Zealand protested against the states use of nuclear subs in the South Pacific and because of that we broke away from the ANZUS agreement (Austrlia, New Zealand, United States). And from then on NO nuclear powered ships are allowed into our waters <or anything nuclear for that matter>. You see we as a people do not buckle under pressure. We do not have to accept someone else's laws because "thats the norm". I must say in defense of my PM, her and her advisors are quite IT literate. As I said YOUR laws do not affect me. Yes we don't prduce Hardware <but our software is second to none. You use Eudora? NZer made that>. But you can't FORCE someone to do what you want. These large compaines aren't going to "enable DRM" into there products just for the hell of it. Don't forget that there are more than 2 CPU makers. Say AMD and Intel make there products DRM but IBM and VIA do not. Problem there isn't it. One gets the market share for the TCPA-enabled products and the other gets ALL the market share for non TCPA-enabled products. Can you say PROFIT LOSS??? Changing the core to be TCPA complaint is going to cost them heaps of money. Something they can avoid by moving overseas to a country that doesn't have these laws. What then. America will be stuck with no one making TCPA hardware <remember Taiwain makes the majority of Hardware>. Little bit of a problem then isn't. Also why would world goverments follow some law that the USA made? You guys aren't in the good books of most Govermnets at the moment <take a look at Bushs speach to the UN. Silence is quite loud isn't>.

 

"You can't force someone to write there code different to implement TCPA"

Actaully, that's the whole point of the proposed laws! You will have to comply with TCPA, or you're breaking the law. That is what's so scary about this, and why I hope that for once the courts would be able to see around corporate money's influence and do the right thing.

 

:lol: Well your not suppose to download copyright material either but peple still do. Its human nature. Tell a person to go left and they will go right to show that you have no control overthem.

[Zmid]

You say that this will spread and other countries will adopt this as follows. Well I disagree. New Zealand has a long line of doing what the PEOPLE want.

 

That's just the thing - most people will only see the pro-TCPA stuff that will be shouted from the rooftops, ie 'it will virtually eliminate all viruses, trojans and spam', so they WILL want it.

 

Yes we don't prduce Hardware <but our software is second to none. You use Eudora? NZer made that>. But you can't FORCE someone to do what you want. These large compaines aren't going to "enable DRM" into there products just for the hell of it.

 

Love them or loathe them (personally, I'm the latter), Microsoft are the dominant force in the PC marketplace. They support TCPA. AMD and Intel also support TCPA. Between them, they can force you to adopt TCPA unless NZ and other countries are content never to use their products, and those countries' businesses are content to never use PCs to do business with America and any other country which adopts this legislation. Somehow, if this is passed, I don't see that happening.

 

These large compaines aren't going to "enable DRM" into there products just for the hell of it.

 

No, they'll do it for profit, and/or because they believe all the pro-TCPA guff.

 

Don't forget that there are more than 2 CPU makers. Say AMD and Intel make there products DRM but IBM and VIA do not. Problem there isn't it. One gets the market share for the TCPA-enabled products and the other gets ALL the market share for non TCPA-enabled products. Can you say PROFIT LOSS???

 

Yes, but remember it is Microsoft we're talking about here. If Big Bill gets his bulging chequebook out, all bets are off. Not only that, it is quite possible that the potential money to be made might be attractive enough to make IBM, VIA et al jump on board as well.

 

Changing the core to be TCPA complaint is going to cost them heaps of money. Something they can avoid by moving overseas to a country that doesn't have these laws. What then. America will be stuck with no one making TCPA hardware <remember Taiwain makes the majority of Hardware>. Little bit of a problem then isn't.

 

You're forgetting AMD and Intel are almost rabidly pro-TCPA. Even if they are based in a country that doesn't have this legislation, it is quite possible, if not probable, they would build their hardware TCPA compliant anyway.

 

Also why would world goverments follow some law that the USA made? You guys aren't in the good books of most Govermnets at the moment <take a look at Bushs speach to the UN. Silence is quite loud isn't>.

 

It's quite possible a lot of governments will be convinced by the pro-TCPA guff that will be spouted by the American government and Microsoft, etc, and, even if the legislation is not adopted, it is quite possible many people may be forced to buy TCPA compliant software and hardware by the simple inability to buy anything else, which I personally call 'the Windows phenomenon'.

 

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"You can't force someone to write there code different to implement TCPA"

Actaully, that's the whole point of the proposed laws! You will have to comply with TCPA, or you're breaking the law. That is what's so scary about this, and why I hope that for once the courts would be able to see around corporate money's influence and do the right thing.

 

 

 

Well your not suppose to download copyright material either but peple still do. Its human nature. Tell a person to go left and they will go right to show that you have no control overthem.

 

Yes, but this type of copyright breach is rarely enforced because of the impracticality of proving what you've done. This will not be the case with non-TCPA compliance.

[Beaten by an Ugly Stick]

I would read the FAQ, but my attention span wont allow it when factored with my lack of sleep! :angry:

 

So could you people summarize it for me, so i could be a part of this topic without spending a day reading off my eye-numbing CRT? I remember something about Palladium from

[Zmid]

I would read the FAQ, but my attention span wont allow it when factored with my lack of sleep! :angry:

 

So could you people summarize it for me, so i could be a part of this topic without spending a day reading off my eye-numbing CRT? I remember something about Palladium from

In summary, it is the most insidious, controlling, privacy destroying security system I have ever heard of. It will be both a bit of software within Windows and/or a chip soldered onto a bit of hardware, such as your motherboard, and TCPA enabled programs, such as Windows Media Player will use TCPA keys to see whether the software you are trying to run is authorised or not. Fair enough, this combats piracy, you may think, but this self same system can also report and/or delete this software and refuse to run non-TCPA enabled software or hardware, even if it is bought and installed legitimately. It can also allow the creators of the software/hardware to see what you have on your machine and delete anything it simply disagrees with. Conceivably, Bill Gates can go searching for any document on any TCPA enabled PC that insults him in any way and delete it, or, to use the example given in the FAQ, someone who writes a paper that a court decides is defamatory can be compelled to censor it - and the software company that wrote the word processor could be ordered to do the deletion if they refuse. In short, this system gives almost total control of your PC to Microsoft, AMD, Intel, et al and takes it away from you.

[Marxist ßastard]

As a quick little experiment, why don't all the Windows 2000 / XP users out there whip out regedit and open HKCR\Software\Microsoft\Multimedia\Components\Installed?

 

Do you see andthing interesting that you never downloaded or even agreed to have installed?

 

Helll, I think this would be an appropriate time for suggestions on which Linux distro I should download.

[HeLLL]

As a quick little experiment, why don't all the Windows 2000 / XP users out there whip out regedit and open HKCR\Software\Microsoft\Multimedia\Components\Installed?

 

Do you see andthing interesting that you never downloaded or even agreed to have installed?

 

Helll, I think this would be an appropriate time for suggestions on which Linux distro I should download.

:lol: try Distro Watch. Has all the active distros avaible so you can choose which one. If you need ANY help let me know.

 

/HeLLL goes back to killing his kernel YET again in the insane mind frame that he can remove nearly all of the redudent/un-wanted models :lol: