Having some crashing issues...

[WitchRolina]

So, I've been having some issues with crashing, infinite loading, and amusingly with some of SkyRe's racial changes not implemented for some reason. I've tried cleaning the stuff up, but... well, all these issues seem to be post clean.

 

Out of curiosity, if posted a link to my Data folder for someone actually savvy with this stuff able to go in and fix stuff up, would it be possible for someone to fix it and then link it back? I just... have no idea what I'm doing...

 

 

Failing that, here's a list of the mods I've got installed. The current problem seems to be in Fellglow Keep during the mage college quest. Either get infinite loading screen, or CTD. I very much doubt it's limited to just that.

Edited December 15, 2014 by WitchRolina

[DoctorKaizeld]

what is your load order and have you used LOOT?

[WitchRolina]

Aye, I have used loot. I've done the basics, too - gotten rid of Dirty Edits. Or at least, all the ones that TES5Edit realizes are there - there's apparently a couple in the Eyes of Beauty mod that it doesn't notice, but LOOT does. Here's the load order:

Edited December 15, 2014 by WitchRolina

[Jayw21]

with that many mods your gonna have crashes. Your injecting A LOT of scripts into your game, and not all scripts get along. The kind of errors your looking for exist in your papyrus log, which you need to enable. Note while it's enabled it takes from your performance to log them.

 

Often time cleaning mods is a bad idea, often times the modder leaves certian files in for a reason that TES5edit thinks are bad files. don't edit mods offright, contact the author directly and inform them. They'll let you know if it's okay to edit or it's there for a reason. (by now most authors have up in their read me or in their forum thread information re guarding this.)

 

One problem your running into is you cleaned a mod, and when a script goes and tries to pull from something you deleted it freezes causing a CTD.

 

CTD's happen for a number a reasons when you start modding. With as many as you have you may want to consider downloading WYRE bash and creating a bashed patch to handle your leveled lists so they don't conflict with each other.

 

Even looking into to merging a few together that handle the same thing.

 

Simple, answer there is no simple fix. CTD'S are unique to each modder. Enable Payprus logging and try to recreate the crash. Review the log and try find out where the freeze is coming from. Often times scripts pull from similar resources and while the mod files itself access differant forms and functions some scripts still don't behave well together. There is no way to make them behave as intended if this is the case.

 

Also if you remove a mod that contains scripts, rememember those scripts are NOT removed from a save game. The content is gone, but the scripts remain. You'll need a program to go into that saved file, identify those orphaned scripts and remove them.

 

Because if conditions are met for that script to run, or update in your papyrus they will cause a crass because the mod that used those scripts is longer available.

 

And what I'm saying is just the tip of the iceberg. Most information your going to find is word of mouth like what I'm giving you. I really wish there was a lot more information out there but CTD'S are unique. And troubleshooting is mostly trial and error. It also could be you have more scripts than your system can handle. Skyrim has it's own memory mamangement and pulls from it's own resources. So in some cases it doesn't matter how strong your pc is, cause well skyrim is skyrim. Ram, and pc memory doesn't have any effect on some of it's processes. Meaning it has a limit.

 

You can edit values in your Payprus file to increase those limits, but it's never advised. IT can create even more problems than it fixes.

 

Try reading Skyrim STability Guide, here on nexus, using enboost to help your render out.

Try a wyre bash patch to help with leveled list compadability

Use Payprus log to trace CTD's down.

Always clean your saved files to remove orphaned scripts.

Be wary of what you clean, some mods have files that say you need to clean them, but this is a false positive. That file it deletes is actually needed and will cause ctds once it's removed.

Use Skyrim stability guide to increase overall stability. It's instructions are really awesome.

 

Overall your looking at about 6-8 hours of reading downloading, and file editing to achieve "stability" in your game and I use the term loosely because with that many mods your going to run into crashes no matter what you do. The people who have 200 + mods that don't crash often times KNOW EXACTLY what they are doing and have a great deal of education on the matter or are just stupid lucky. The won the modding lottery and don't know it. For the rest us ignorant, couldn't win a game of pin the tail on the donkey.... we have to suffer and read ALOT. Been there done that, still have CTDS.... Some bullets you can't dodge.

 

Payprus log is where you should start though. There are a few nice programs here on nexus as well that compile payprus logs into easy to read formats. (I suggest you don't open them with notepad, it's messy.) Use microsoft word, or use one of the programs here.

 

Welcome to the club, fyi we spend more time fixing CTDS, and making mods then we actually do playing the game.... It's almost like learning how to fix CTDS and script instance is a requirement for modding to begin with. With all the mods out there there is no way to figure what what scripts are going to conflict, thats up to you as the user to find that information out and learn how to fix them...

 

So... Save often or learn more. ;) The choice is yours.

[Kriiks]

Ok, lets start from beginning :smile:

First you mention CTD and freezes, but you don't mention using any basically essential Skyrim memory management tools:

#1: SKSE by the SKSE Team and added SKSE.ini tweak
#2: CTD and Memory Patch ENBoost by Boris Vorontsov (for guide and link to original website for newer version)
#3: uGridsToLoad by Altimor

Using LOOT is good. Having Bashed Patch helps too. But what longer grows your modlist, then more possible are Skyrim freezes and crashes because it can't handle that load by its own. Without those three tools.

If it's still bad, then happy researching incompatible mods :wink: STEP guides can be helpful.

Mods should be usually clean, it's even recommended to clean Update.esm, Dawnguard.esm Hearthfire.esm and Dragonborn.esm (not Skyrim.esm!). Most mod authors clean their mods nowdays and you can't find a lot "dirty" new mods. If some specific mod needs those edits, its usually mentioned on mod site as "do not clean".

[WitchRolina]

@Kriiks: I assumed SKSE was a given at this point, which is why it wasn't mentioned. I'll check out the other two tools, though - I wasn't aware of them.

 

@Jay: I'll give that some work. I wouldn't be complaining as much if it weren't for the fact that I'm getting the same crash at the same location - just the occasional crash is to be expected after all. But something that prevents progress is something that needs to get fixed.

 

I'll try these out after work and report the results.

[Kriiks]

Yep, looking even your modlist makes using SKSE obvious, but because SKSE doesn't install SKSE.ini tweak by default, it's never bad idea to confirm ;)

Jayw mentioned also checking your save for leftover scripts. If you removed any scripted mod during your character playthrough, there might be some bloat left in your save too. http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52363/?

[Jayw21]

I've had similar issues where crashes happen at the same place over and over again.

 

To tell you the truth I just completely lost a saved file due to duel sheath redux. Soooo.... I scrubbed it. Kind of a last resort. I uninstalled EVERYTHING! Skyrim, enboost, mods everything. Switched over to mod manager while I was at it. Completely whiped my computer and starting fresh with more knowledge. Every time I've done this I've gotten better stability learned what mods totally blow and how to avoid other ctds. While some mods are cool... they don't play well with others. So instead of just grabbing whatever gets endorsed the most, I check thier logs. Who is updating who is using the latest tools, who has a good reputation for clean mods.

 

The modders here are getting better and better it's actually kind of scary that some of them work on an above professional level. ^__^ In a few weeks I get to work with one on a project and I'm so stoked. I got some studying to do this, this guy mastered HTD and here I am still learning Payprus scripting... lol needless to say i feel privileged to learn from him in a hands on piece of work. And no I can't say who or what were working on =D It's a suprise, but it will be one of a kind epicness.

 

At anyrate hope you can narrow down your CTD's without having to scrub... I've been working on my scrub for about 9 hours now. Taking a break browsing the forum... Modding is fun.

[WitchRolina]

Eh, Kriiks' suggestions haven't payed off so far. I've gone from an infinite loading screen while trying to enter Fellglow Keep, to one that imitates one before triggering a CTD. I also seem to crash when going into helgen, so... I may wind up nixing Helgen reborn. I really wish there were modpacks and stuff with all the bugs worked out for Skyrim kinda like there is for Minecraft, but oh well.