I have giant save files that take forever to save and load

[Megatarius]

UPDATE: Problem Solved!

 

A warning to all, Reneer's Creature Mod, which makes most animals not attack you all the time, causes save game bloat in the .obse files, not in the .ess files.

 

 

My main character, who is only level 14 and on Day 19, with 55 hours playing time, takes about a minute to save, quicksave, and load.

 

I waited three days (outside Bravil, not in the testing hall), and then I sold off all my extra items. Then I waited three more days inside an inn room cell. I basically purged the save file of a lot of stuff. The wait time was only cut down a little bit.

 

 

I have lots of other character files that are level 3 at most, and they have hardly any wait time on saves, if any at all.

 

 

I tried using Wrye Bash to clean the bloating, and it said there was no bloat. Then when I tried to load that file, it crashed. Wrye Bash not only finds no bloat, but it corrupts my saves!

 

Could this be a Bash problem? Perhaps there is bloat, and Wyre Bash is not working right?

 

 

UPDATE (You might want to just skip to this part):

 

The problem save files have corresponding OBSE save files that are twice the size! My largest is 12 MB! It takes ages to save. I also have an OBSE save that is 4 MB, and that takes a little while too. That character is level 2, with 21 hours. I have a level 4 character, with 22 hours, whose OBSE save is much smaller. So time played is not the cause.

 

It seems that the more things I do that require OBSE, the worse the OBSE saves get.

 

So I deleted one of the giant OBSE saves, and loaded that particular save file. It loaded fine. Then I saved it and it was super quick!

 

I've discovered the cause of the problem, but not necessarily the solution. What is stored in these OBSE saves? Will I have big problems later on if I delete this file? Does it contain important information on the state of certain things in the game? Will I suddenly find stuff reset, or failing to execute?

 

Is it bad to just delete the OBSE save file?

 

 

Here's my load order from Wrye Bash with ++ for Bashed stuff:

 

 

Active Mod Files:

00 Oblivion.esm

01 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm

02 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm

03 Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm

04 A_Bloody_Mess.esm

05 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]

06 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]

07 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]

08 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm

09 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9a7]

0A Kvatch Rebuilt.esm

0B Better Cities Resources.esm

0C BathingMod_Base.esm

0D DA Run Fatigue.esm

0E TantrivayliaChimer.esm

0F Oblivifall Master File.esm [Version 1.0]

10 Toaster Says Share v3.esm

11 nVidia Black Screen Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]

12 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0]

13 UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]

14 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp

15 DLCShiveringIsles.esp

16 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]

17 Shivering OOO.esp

18 Better Cities .esp

19 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp

1A Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp

1B Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp

1C Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp

1D Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp

++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]

++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]

1E FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]

1F Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp

20 IlluminationWithin.esp

21 IWR-Lights.esp

22 IWR-Windows.esp

23 IWR-Shutters.esp

24 7lbsBedrolls-OBSE.esp

25 BetterMusicSystem.esp

26 P-Froggys Wall Climbing EV.esp

27 Harvest[Containers].esp

28 Choices and Consequences.esp [Version 2.1]

29 BeyondCyrodiilMarkers.esp

2A DLCHorseArmor.esp

2B MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp

2C ACCCGR SI.esp

2D ACCCGR.esp

2E CapesandCloaks.esp

2F RTFemaleReplacerV12.esp

30 PersuasionOverhaul_LITE.esp [Version 1.42]

31 LadyDeadlock_LoveYourHorse.esp

32 SellHorses.esp

33 Francesco's More Wilderness Life.esp

34 Francesco's Optional Dungeon Chest Loot.esp

35 Francesco's Optional Dungeon Chest Locks.esp

36 Francesco's Optional House Chest Loot.esp

37 Francesco's Optional New Adventurers.esp

++ Francesco's Optional Vendor Tweaks.esp

38 KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp [Version 1.2]

++ FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp [Version 0.9.9]

39 AlienSlof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp

3A Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]

3B Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]

3C OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]

++ FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9]

3D Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp

3E FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]

3F Oblivion WarCry EV.esp

40 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9]

41 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]

42 Choices and Consequences - OOO.esp [Version 2.0]

43 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9]

44 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]

45 Mart's Monster Mod - Durability & Damage.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

46 FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b1]

47 Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

48 Mart's Monster Mod - Vindasel.esp [Version 3.7b1]

49 Mart's Monster Mod - Foxes.esp [Version 3.7b1]

4A Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

4B Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

4C Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

4D Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - AlienSlof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

++ FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]

++ FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]

++ FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 0.9.9]

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69]

4E Enhanced Quest Roleplaying.esp

4F Ivellon.esp [Version 1.5]

50 Kvatch Rebuilt.esp

51 Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp

52 Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp

53 Woodland Rangers.esp [Version 1.5]

54 The Lost Spires.esp

55 HoarfrostCastle.esp

++ FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp [Version 0.9.9]

56 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp

++ FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp [Version 0.9.9]

57 ElsweyrAnequina.esp

58 NakedNord.esp

59 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]

5A Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]

5B Bag of Holding.esp [Version 1.5.0]

5C Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp

5D Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 DT.esp

5E GP_Lockpicks.esp [Version 1.5]

5F NirnrootPermPotions.esp

60 P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00]

61 Rowboats.esp

62 BathingMod.esp

63 BathingMod_Bathrooms.esp

64 BathingMod_BloodyMess.esp

65 BathingMod_BloodyMess_Bathrooms.esp

66 DA Fatigued Running.esp

67 DA ReducedBackwardsRunningSpeed.esp

68 DA Sprint.esp

69 TFE.esp

6A Roughing It.esp

6B SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.89]

6C SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.86]

6D SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.89]

6E SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.89]

6F SM_COBL.esp [Version 0.86]

70 SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.84]

71 MidasSpells.esp

72 ResetEmotionAfterCombat.esp

73 A Bloody Mess - Bloody Fights.esp

74 A Bloody Mess - Armor Shader Supression.esp

75 Duke Patricks - Fresh Kills Now Alert The NPCs.esp

76 Ark's Tutorial Terminator 1.0.esp

77 Better Cities Full.esp

78 Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp

79 Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp

7A Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 2]

7B Crowded Cities 30.esp

7C No More Annoying Comments.esp

7D Oblivifall - Losing My Religion.esp [Version 1.0]

++ Francesco's day lenght rescale 1-12.esp

7E KDDwemerSpectacles.esp

7F Real Lava 1.3.esp

80 FormID Finder.esp

81 Tantrivaylia.esp

82 AoshisStealthEntrances.esp

83 NoEncumberedSwimming.esp

84 Side's Backpacks.esp

85 Side's Backpacks (COBL).esp

86 MM_StolenHorseOwnership.esp

87 VG0SmarterTimescale.esp

88 Merchants Buy Stolen Goods.esp

89 Natural Rings Limit.esp

8A MoreStaffsAtRindir.esp

8B Wolf Pelt Armor.esp

8C personality_idles4_nnpc.esp

8D Disease Immunity (Oblivion).esp

8E Disease Immunity (Oblivion + Shivering Isles).esp

8F cancelattack.esp

90 ReneerNPCNameMod.esp

91 Automatic Difficulty Increaser.esp

92 Duke Patricks - Actors Can Miss Now.esp

93 Duke Patricks - Near Miss Magic And Arrows Alert The Target.esp

94 morecleaningrags.esp

95 SleepRestAnyTime.esp

96 Doomstones.esp [Version 1.2]

97 Thieves Arsenal.esp

98 Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp

99 Better Imperial City.esp

9A The Siren's Deception.esp

9B Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp

9C OOOedits.esp

9D ActorsInEmotions.esp

9E Kayo.esp

9F Thievery_Normal_Thrill.esp

A0 SetEssentialActors.esp

A1 Jjiinx_Enhanced Disease.esp

A2 Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp [Version 3.1.1]

A3 kuerteeNPCsYield.esp

A4 ReneerCreatureMod.esp

A5 kuerteeClothingMatters.esp

A6 Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.esp

A7 TSS Custom Companion Template.esp

A8 EyelashesVannilaRaces.esp

A9 TT-EquipableBeards.esp

AA newracedata.esp

AB newclothes.esp

AC spells.esp

AD weapontweaks.esp

AE companions.esp

AF lessargonians.esp

B0 franitems.esp

B1 animalpeltcapes.esp

B2 rumors.esp

B3 books.esp

B4 ingredients.esp

B5 stfClothesR v1.esp

B6 DD_JailShackles.esp

B7 FG_Merchant Inventory Realism V 1_5.esp

B8 CheydinhalHouse.esp

++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.76]

++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.76]

BA Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

 

 

Some of the stuff at the bottom are custom .esp files I made to correct a few things here and there, and a few mods I was working on for upload that aren't nearly ready.

 

Yes, I have run it through BOSS, but a lot of it I later moved by hand afterwords. Bloody Mess is supposed to be higher than Supreme Magicka, but if so, I have no blood on me if I'm wearing an enchanted item, which is often. So I moved it down. Pretty much everything else is as BOSS suggested.

[Fonger]

item #11 is included within item #12 and can be included in item #BA

[ziitch]

Have you tried the Remove Bloat function? Right-click the save in Wrye Bash and select Remove Bloat...

[Megatarius]

Have you tried the Remove Bloat function? Right-click the save in Wrye Bash and select Remove Bloat...

 

Um, yes...

 

I tried using Wrye Bash to clean the bloating, and it said there was no bloat. Then when I tried to load that file, it crashed. Wrye Bash not only finds no bloat, but it corrupts my saves!

 

Also, the sub-title of this thread is "Wrye Bash has found no bloating".

[bben46]

Just checked the OBSE saves for my current level 20 char on save #367 - Ess File = 5855 KB, OBSE file = 1KB !!!

In fact, all of my OBSE saves are 1KB. After checking several old backups ALL OBSE saves in all of my backups are also 1K.

 

Look back through your saves and see when the size jumped, and use the save game manager in OBMM ( if you used it at the time) to see what mods were installed at the time of the jump. The OBMM save game manager functiom will list every mod installed - whether active or not at the time of that save.

From the main OBMM screen look to the right for Utilities, click on it and find 'Save Manager' in the drop down. It will list every save. when you click on a save, it will show every mod and the load order for that save.

 

This should allow you to find where the big jump started and possibly what caused it.