Lets all chill out

[XTR3M368]

Ohhhhh, I like this:

In my opinion, it would be reasonable to phase out the negative endorsement options in favor of a simple bug reporting tool. I believe that the number of endorsements coupled with the number of unresolved outstanding issues would be a better indicator of the mod's quality than a simple display of positive/negative endorsements.

 

If moderators regularly ban people who leave snide or openly hostile remarks in the comment topics of various mods that they don't like, why should a negative endorsement option like "The file did not fit into the user's personal tastes or beliefs, ect." exist at all? Why is 'trolling with words' a bannable offence while 'trolling with negative endorsement' isn't?

The only thing I have to say about this is there is a WIDE spectrum of options a moderator has between "doing nothing" and blasting away with the "ban hammer". A good moderator, like the ones on this site, can handle each situation as it arises with the appropriate response/action(s). I have every confidence in them. Your logic about the trolling makes sense to me though.

 

I'm fully capable of defending my work and, as I like to say "I'm a big boy". Criticism is important if we want to grow as a person and, as a modder. If your always told what a wonderful job your doing, how are you going to know where you need to improve or, where you've gone wrong.

How does the trolls leaving these (mostly unwarranted) help you improve you mods or tell you where you went wrong? That is our point. The ones that help are the ones that actually contact you and let you know what their issue is so that you can diagnose it and decide what to do/how and if to fix or change it. Those types of people are who help you grow and improve and are not the problem, the trolls are.

[chucksteel]

My point being, If faced with having to justify the negative endorsement with an intelligent articulate reason or, facing the ban hammer, many trolls would simply not give endorsements.

[XTR3M368]

agreed. I guess I missed that being your main point when I read your post....sorry. :rolleyes:

[LHammonds]

Well, all I can say is that since this has been in place, the amount of moderation needed on a daily basis has dropped significantly. Is it perfect? No..it ain't ever going to be perfect. Dark0ne saw a need and he dealt with it as best he could.

 

I do like the idea about bug reporting as well.

[XTR3M368]

:blink:

Well, all I can say is that since this has been in place, the amount of moderation needed on a daily basis has dropped significantly.

I had no idea. That changes things significantly in my mind. I can completely understand wanting to keep something that cuts way down on required moderation. I used to be server support staff on a different site and am still a moderator there so that resonates with me. The reason you just gave and I quoted makes my opinions earlier seem rather insignificant now. :mellow:

[LHammonds]

It is a balancing act. Just because it reduces staff workload does not mean arguments against such a device are negated. If a large part of the community is in upheaval over something that makes the site easier to manage, then something needs to be done to find ground in-between. I still like the bug report idea. Something that mod authors can do right now is to create an additional thread and ask people to put bug-related comments in there as well as noting which version they are using...but that requires work on the part of the author as well as some pretty-good organizational skills...which can vary from mod-to-mod causing confusion to downloaders on where to place their comments and such (like getting used to each mod only having a comments thread). However, a site-wide feature would obviously make it more standard from mod-to-mod and would have to be implemented in such a way that it takes into consideration of abandoned, older, current and future mods...of which only current versions and newer would "benefit" from it (like version-stamps on bug reports)

 

It would be really cool if it were integrated "into" the comment thread...such as some comments flagged as normal comments, bug reports or endorsements and displayed/filtered differently. Default view shows everything and a tick of the switch shows only bug reports...and even then, only showing bug reports matching the current version (or at least somehow separating old bug reports from current). But even cool features like this could be mangled and abused and mis-used. What about a bug that existed in an old version that still applies in the new version? What if the author wants to "hide" bug reports by simply making quick edits to update the version number and pushing off all older reports? Would need additional features to combat that kind of usage...maybe the author can have the ability to flag reported bugs as being "fixed" and for older files maybe the community could "vote" on bugs as being fixed in newer versions (talking in terms of a future past here).

 

Wait a sec, how did this get off track? Let's cut this out of the current thread...if anyone wants to submit change requests, please create a new thread. Silly me for going off on a tangent. :wallbash:

 

LHammonds