STEAM? REALLY? I'm out - how about you

[Povuholo]

Steam is not going to limit modding.

[FoolyCooly]

ITT: People complaining about Steam for the sake of complaining.

 

Other than bitching about it because you can, Steam dosen't really do anything negative. I was mad at first because I had install problems but then I realised I was being a dumbass and took a step back, fixed it, and then happily played my game. You can put Steam into offline mode and it stays out of your way if you run the game from the launcher, you don't even need to open Steam. If you actaully try to use Steam instead of just crying about it you might actaully start to like it, with the great friends service and the groups, which are great for getting together with other fans of the game. You can bring up your friends list while playing and easily chat with someone else while playing to get help, etc.

 

Furthermore, Steam has zero negative impact on modding, thats just another example of people pulling reasons out of their ass to hate it rather than trying to figure out what it actaully does.

[Dark0ne]

Steam is a brilliant game platform. It's exactly what PC gaming needs to revitalise it and compete with the console market.

 

People who don't like Steam tend to fall in to three categories: (1) used it when HL2 came out and immediately decided it would be bad for the rest of it's life without giving it a second chance, (2) don't have good, stable internet or a good, stable computer or (3) does not play online or have any gaming friends.

[Povuholo]

I'm sure the people who have New Vegas now and are complaining about Steam will be a lot less angry when the christmas sale comes around. :D

[erszebet]

Wait, what? I don't understand this thread at all. None of the complaints make sense!

 

As FoolyCooly said; you can run Steam in offline mode, so the complaint about "needing to be online" is ridiculous. And you can still mod the game, so I'm failing to see how the second question in the poll is even tangentially related to Steam vs standalone play.

 

One of the only real problems I've heard of with Steam is that since it obviously entails extra processes versus standalone, it can cause slowdown on older computers. That said... as far as I know, any machine that can run FO3 should have few difficulties running NV, so if you're really running a heap that can't manage what is essentially a two-year-old game, get an upgrade.

 

What exactly has steam done to "kill [people's] interest", or is it just by having the temerity to exist?

 

Edit Also Dark0ne is full of truthliness: Steam has done a lot to energise the PC gaming genre. It's made games infinitely more accessible - there's a lot of games you just can't find physical copies of that you can still get on Steam - beyond Good Old Games, I can't think of anything else that does that - and it makes it much easier to try new games. Not to mention: the sales. Oh my goodness. I'm still getting warm fuzzies when I remember this year's Summer Sale.

[C0rrup73d]

Wait, what? I don't understand this thread at all. None of the complaints make sense!

 

As FoolyCooly said; you can run Steam in offline mode, so the complaint about "needing to be online" is ridiculous. And you can still mod the game, so I'm failing to see how the second question in the poll is even tangentially related to Steam vs standalone play.

 

One of the only real problems I've heard of with Steam is that since it obviously entails extra processes versus standalone, it can cause slowdown on older computers. That said... as far as I know, any machine that can run FO3 should have few difficulties running NV, so if you're really running a heap that can't manage what is essentially a two-year-old game, get an upgrade.

 

What exactly has steam done to "kill [people's] interest", or is it just by having the temerity to exist?

Steam fails so hard as a option as DRM it's not even funny and a lot of people out there will agree. Why should I have to install a service to play a game that I payed $60 for. I should have the option to install it as opposed to downloading all the files that WERE ON THE DVD TO BEGIN WITH.

[sesom]

@erszebet

You have forgotten one simple fact:

 

Steam is not needed for a single player game!

 

I don't like data collecting tools in my systray. Btw. in the so called 'offline mode' is still traffic happening to steam servers if there is a internet connection available on the PC. But I am sure the steam marketing squad is ready to have fun in this thread and tell us how wonderful this data miner is as it happend on the Bethsoft forum.

[Quetzlsacatanango]

You guys who think steam is great and people should quit their bitchin' should talk for a minute to joey2176, creator of The Librarian Orion's Gate. He lives out in the sticks with no affordable internet service and is now the owner of a $50 coaster for no good reason.

[erszebet]

@erszebet

You have forgotten one simple fact:

 

Steam is not needed for a single player game!

Not needed, no, but it's helpful to be able to get help from people or look stuff up without leaving the game.

 

I don't like data collecting tools in my systray. Btw. in the so called 'offline mode' is still traffic happening to steam servers if there is a internet connection available on the PC. But I am sure the steam marketing squad is ready to have fun in this thread and tell us how wonderful this data miner is as it happend on the Bethsoft forum.

Oh please, what nefarious things are they going to do with the knowledge of how long you played Audiosurf? And how paranoid do you have to be to think that anyone saying "This program is good!" is part of the marketing team? You're doing some wicked straw-clutching (and pearl-clutching) to try and paint the program as some Orwellian horror. About the only valid complaint you just gave was that the install should be optional.

[FoolyCooly]

Oh please, what nefarious things are they going to do with the knowledge of how long you played Audiosurf? And how paranoid do you have to be to think that anyone saying "This program is good!" is part of the marketing team? You're doing some wicked straw-clutching (and pearl-clutching) to try and paint the program as some Orwellian horror. About the only valid complaint you just gave was that the install should be optional.

 

This.

 

Few people complaining about Steam have come up with legitimate reasons to not like it. "I have to install another program!? Oh God! No! In that case I immediatly hate it and everyone involved with this game" Even if it's one that might actually have some useful features, it's far easier to cry about it then it is to actaully attempt to use them. First of all, New Vegas is 50$ on Steam which is a lot cheaper than buying a retail copy. The only reason a retail copy even exsists is to make people who HAVE to own a physical copy of the disk feel better, that and the collectors edititons.

Secondly, if you care about PC gaming at all, Steam is a gold mine. Like previously mentioned, you can buy games on Steam that have long stopped being printed on disc.

 

People who don't have internet do have a right to complain, while it's hard to imagine in this day and age that people who could afford a computer good enough to play New Vegas, and a copy of the game, wouldn't have internet, it does happen. It sucks and in that regard I really don't have an answer for them, other than to buy the console release.

However, this information was known well ahead of time, and it's printed on the box. Saying "I didn't know" means you can't or didn't bother to read, and you've got noone else to blame.