Dark0ne Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 "without permission" is the key point here. I am talking about "open source" This this this THIS. If you release something and say it's open source, it's open source to whoever downloads it. It's not "open source, but only to the people I like" or "open source, but only to Fallout 3" or "open source until I say otherwise". It's open source to everyone for everything forever, that's what open source is. You wrote that your file is open source in your description so anyone who is using your open source assets will be allowed to make use of them in their own mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEArbiter Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Unless said by the Licence used:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginnyfizz Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 I hear what you are saying, Fraktyl, but the point about Open Source is only part of it, and is also arguable, (which I don't propose to do here) and I see many mods released by assorted authors as "Open source provided that you give me credit in your readmes..." or something such as that. And some folk are so maniacally desperate to get their favourite FO3 mods into NV, or to receive kudos for so doing, that they are just not bothering to ask or take an extra few seconds to type the appropriate names in the credits. This may be because they either haven't done their homework on the original mods and looked at the list of credits, or they just don't care. And then they squeak when caught out. I don't mod as such, but like you, Fraktyl, I have had ideas stolen at work and yes, it really does suck. So, mischief is being caused and modders alienated. In legal circles the term "The mischief rule" is used and that means cogniscence of the consequences of any actions must be taken, potential damage assessed. The rules here have been updated to take account of the potential mischief, and that is a very good move indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo 2 Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 "without permission" is the key point here. I am talking about "open source" This this this THIS. If you release something and say it's open source, it's open source to whoever downloads it. It's not "open source, but only to the people I like" or "open source, but only to Fallout 3" or "open source until I say otherwise". It's open source to everyone for everything forever, that's what open source is. You wrote that your file is open source in your description so anyone who is using your open source assets will be allowed to make use of them in their own mods. Understood and appropriate changes made. Previous open source content for FO3 remains open source for FO3. Ports or conversions of FO3 content to New Vegas require permission. That was my whole point and something people were ignoring. Thank you for the clarifaction and I'm going to go hide now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quetzlsacatanango Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 BEArbiter - you can't be both "open source" and also apply some restriction. Then it's not open sourced anymore.It's unfortunate that Kendo used that term. I don't know his background, maybe he didn't realize it has a very specific meaning. I'm sure in hindsight he would have chosen his words differently.Even if it says "open source", hell, even if it says 'no need to ask', the cool thing to do would be to ask anyway, considering those things were written before NV existed. How hard is it to just be 20% cool and make that effort? Not very. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark0ne Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Thank you for your understanding Kendo. I understand it will be a bullet you'll have to bite but hopefully these new distribution permissions and settings will allow you to better control things to your liking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEArbiter Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 That were you Missunderstood, By using an open source Licence to released your stuff, It's Open source, It can be use in ANYTHING, James Cameron could come ,take your model and put it In Avatar 2 you wouldn't be able to say Something. Open Source Licenses don't allow you to change it, only to upload it to a new version of the licence. If you Say: "Port from FO3 to Nv require permission because I decided to change the terms of the licence", you are doing something illegal and the new Licence is non-existent, you say open source, it's open source. Ps:@Quetzlsacatanango: I may miss-said something, English is not my main language. I mean that he can use an open source licence, edit it, and release a new licence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraktyl Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 The rules here have been updated to take account of the potential mischief, and that is a very good move indeed. Exactly. I'm glad this thread is here, because it spells out exactly what is expected. From both the original authors and those who are porting. I know Kendo took the brunt of this, but I think a lot of other addon writers are probably feeling the same way. I'm also glad that people can still act like adults and have discussions without going off the deep end. Hats off to all involved. I still think that those who won't take the 5 minutes to send an email/pm to just ask need to be lined up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo 2 Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 The file in question was converted and uploaded by TKone, under these assumed "open source" rules Kendo 2 has said he is no longer allowing. There was no mention of this in the file I converted, the "Mysterious Stranger outfit", but there was this section giving thanks to others Never was open source for New Vegas. You knew it and left the file up anyway. The 'Open Source 3D Human Model License' aplies to Bronson's conversion of Exnem's OB bikini, not FO3 Type 3 made by Dimon99 and it never did apply to the collar mesh or the derivates of my textures you used without permission for New Vegas. AND all of this mess has already been resolved so stop baiting me and LET IT GO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madae Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 The file in question was converted and uploaded by TKone, under these assumed "open source" rules Kendo 2 has said he is no longer allowing. There was no mention of this in the file I converted, the "Mysterious Stranger outfit", but there was this section giving thanks to others Never was open source for New Vegas. You knew it and left the file up anyway. The 'Open Source 3D Human Model License' aplies to Bronson's conversion of Exnem's OB bikini, not FO3 Type 3 made by Dimon99 and it never did apply to the collar mesh or the derivates of my textures you used without permission for New Vegas. AND all of this mess has already been resolved so stop baiting me and LET IT GO. What? And why do you insist that I'm "baiting" you? Because I'm arguing against you? Didn't I tell you to never talk to me again? I would be happy if you let the mods resolve this and just stay out of it, you big baby. If you release something and say it's open source, it's open source to whoever downloads it. It's not "open source, but only to the people I like" or "open source, but only to Fallout 3" or "open source until I say otherwise". It's open source to everyone for everything forever, that's what open source is. You edited your open source statement after you started having a personal vendetta against me. Someone please clarify. On the one hand, you're saying his file was open source, but now he's saying it doesn't apply to New Vegas - as in, after he started hating me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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