North Korea Shells South Korea

[marharth]

You have to realize though, North Korea isn't going to lose if they start nuking.

 

The thing is North Korea is a country of pure pride and love of leadership. If they want to declare war and they know there going to lose, they are going to be willing to take out everyone including themselves.

 

So I think we would need to invade them or destroy them before they get to far, they will not be afraid to destroy the world if they start to lose a war.

[Chaosblade02]

You have to realize though, North Korea isn't going to lose if they start nuking.

 

The thing is North Korea is a country of pure pride and love of leadership. If they want to declare war and they know there going to lose, they are going to be willing to take out everyone including themselves.

 

So I think we would need to invade them or destroy them before they get to far, they will not be afraid to destroy the world if they start to lose a war.

 

You have to realize that would mean war with China too.

[Vindekarr]

Not neccesarily.

 

By all accounts China isnt too happy with NK right now.

 

The idea of NK and China working together as chums would be just that-an idea-if the nukes started flying.

 

If China backed this, then most likely they'd have announced it. Officialy, this war hasnt started yet, we're still at a diplomatic level, and at the point where nations pick out who's side they're on.

 

Frankly I'd put China down as a wildcard. They've got monumental military and industrial strength, they'd be a hell of an ally to NK, maybe even enough to win them any possible war, but frankly I dont think they're any happier with NK than we are.

 

I've just come back from talking to a proffessor I know who used to be a political analyst.

 

He beleives that it may be to do with the change in NK leadership. Maybe either Jong-Un trying to bring down the hammer on dear old daddy, or Jong-Il trying to go out with a bang.

 

One way or the other, it's concerning, because it may infact mean that the incoming leader is even more a psychopathic butcher than his father.

 

This looks like an NK thing, rather than something sent down from Beijing,

 

That ofcourse does not mean it isnt a particularly sneaky bit of work on the part of China, but something just doesnt feel right about that theory.

 

Why bother going through Korea at all? they're one of the strongest military powers in human history, why not just go for a pre-emptive strike.

 

And why would China want to risk a war anyway? I havent seen any recent indication of tentions getting nearly that bad.

Edited November 24, 2010 by Vindekarr

[marharth]

I would have to say china would most likely be with the US...

 

The US funds a lot of china, without the US it becomes a lot weaker.

[Chaosblade02]

Suppose for a second that we had a nuclear tyrant in a country bordering the US, we would immediately remove them, UNLESS they were doing our bidding. Keep in mind that at one time, the US supported Iraq and Saddam Hussein, during the Reagan administration. China would not tolerate such a nation bordering them, unless they were in support of them. And it has already been proven that they are. China would rather have North Korea bordering them than South Korea, for political and philosophical reasons. China still fears the spread of freedoms, even though they aren't the China of 50 years ago, the same logic still applies, they do not wish to be influenced by a full Democratic neighbor, and South Korea is a pretty strong economy. Most Chinese people would in fact be envious of the South Koreans. The Red China logic is still present in the Chinese government, similar to how most older US government officials still have the Cold War mindset with regards to Russia. Edited November 24, 2010 by Chaosblade02

[marharth]

Suppose for a second that we had a nuclear tyrant in a country bordering the US, we would immediately remove them, UNLESS they were doing our bidding. Keep in mind that at one time, the US supported Iraq and Saddam Hussein, during the Reagan administration. China would not tolerate such a nation bordering them, unless they were in support of them. And it has already been proven that they are. China would rather have North Korea bordering them than South Korea, for political and philosophical reasons. China still fears the spread of freedoms, even though they aren't the China of 50 years ago, the same logic still applies, they do not wish to be influenced by a full Democratic neighbor, and South Korea is a pretty strong economy. Most Chinese people would in fact be envious of the South Koreans. The Red China logic is still present in the Chinese government, similar to how most older US government officials still have the Cold War mindset with regards to Russia.

what are you trying to say?

 

I don't see china caring about South Korea at all... China is one of the biggest US allies, and South Korea is a US allie.

 

I only see china helping the US, or helping itself by taking out North Korea.

[Vindekarr]

I think you are at best, badly misinformed Chaosblade.

 

To avoid offending you, that's all I'll say, that, and that I couldnt disagree more strongly with what you've said.

 

Even if China and NK WERE allies, it's unlikely they are now, NK provoked half the world into anger with this shelling, it's not just the west that doesnt like them.

 

It's a very embarrising, stupidly violent action that will have major consequences, I think China's leaders are smart enough to see that supporting NK just isnt profitable.

 

Because if they side with NK, and NK destroys any one of the western nations, China stands to lose a LOT.

 

Their economy relies heavily on western economies, we are a massive export market, and I dont doubht they're smart enough to see that siding with NK simply isnt worth it to them. Idealogicaly, militarily, or financialy.

 

All they'd get out of NK winning this theoretical yet likely war would be a much stronger thorn in their side. If anything, i think they'd side AGAINST NK, just for a change to get rid of them.

 

And Chaos, you Americans DID have a nueclear armed tyrant just off the coast for decades. His name was Fidel Castro. Do not forget the Cuban Missile Crisis, it was a fascinating piece of history and fairly related to this situation we are now in.

Edited November 24, 2010 by Vindekarr

[Balagor]

As I see it, there is no way China would ever support NK. China, as a communist country, has begun to accept capitalism, and its benefits, and China is moving in a positive direction. China has got important friends and buissness all over the world, and will keep them in mind.

kim jung il, and his father went to China in all secretcy on many occasions, and talked to the Chinese leaders. Remember, before China had a more totalitarian commonist regime, but today, they have nothing in common, except that they practice communism. All the "old" friends from the Sovjet era are gone. Modern China today think of NK as annoying "friend" that have been "added" because they forgot to set the "friend filter"

As for comparing NK with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad from Iran, is out of proportions. Ahmadinejad simply wants to play his role in the middeeast conflict, and with nukes as his trumph. Perhaps he does not even have them, but he uses deteration as his weapon. He is not to be feared.

When it comes to NK, I really think they should be feared. The little we know, have seen on documentary telly, shows a nation that is run hard by a cynical leader. The whole population is brainwashed to love him like a god, to die for him and the nation. Perhaps a suicidal nation, should it come to war.

Problem is I realy feel sorry for the NK people, it is not their fault. They are not to blame. Most of them when asked secrectly, want to get out there, had they the change.

[McclaudEagle]

North Korea is a major threat. They are believed to possess nuclear weapons and have been believed to have tested some. When the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NNPT) was announced by the UN, North Korea defied the resolution. By defying the resolution, they were telling us that they will develop, test and use nuclear weapons however they like. This landed them with the title of Rogue State.

 

It's a bit similar with Iran, just Iran didn't have any part with the NNPT. Unlike many civilized nations, North Korea probably wouldn't hesitate to use a nuclear weapon on South Korea. However, that said, I don't think it would be enough to start a nuclear war. From the look of things, China would either side with the US or simply watch what's going on. If that happened, North Korea would be smashed to pieces.

 

They have also made threats to both the South Korean and US Forces of attacks. Similar to Iran, who's leader made a promise a few years ago that he'd "wipe Israel off the face of the Earth", now, Iran is developing its nuclear program. I also think that even if World War Three breaks out, which isn't that likely, it probably won't involve nuclear weapons because the seven known nuclear powers know the stupidity of nuking each other.

 

There is such a thing called the MAD Theory. MAD means Mutually Assured Destruction. This means that if, for example, Russia fired nuclear weapons at the US, the US would have the ability to fire back, thus both sides would end up wiping each other out. What would there be to benefit from this? Nothing. If a nuclear war does break out, it will be at the hands of a tyrant who doesn't care what happens to those around him/her.

[marharth]

Not sure if I got what some people posted but...

 

Why do some people assume that communism=friends with other communist countries? That's not how it is, the system of government has very little to do with foregien relations.