What game ending-outcome would you like?

[Foeofthelance]

 

Good and interesting points all. But, and assuming you're wager's a good one, it rather begs the question: what will Ulysses' vision of the "US" entail? Enclave-type US? NCR-type US? Newt Gingrich? (Sorry I get a bit punchy when I'm tired :P .) By the time the courier goes down that Lonesome Road, he/she will have seen it all (ok, 'cept maybe Enclave, which he/she has only heard about) and I think will be particularly sensitive (jaded?) to ideology in thought versus ideology in practice. If that makes sense (I'm fadin' fast and about to hit the sack).

 

Nah, I'm thinking something more akin to a large, unopened control-type vault that hasn't run into any of the disaster scenarios inflicted on the others. Either that or one with a designed patriotic/nationalistic bent. They're still sealed up due to the ravages of the Divide, but inside they've got functioning old world tech that's been well maintained, the numbers to use it, and a die hard focus on "American" ideals. Either that, or in true Fallout style they've gone so far into their ideals that they've come out the other side as a sad parody, driving Ulysses to grief and madness when his last hope for the glory of the old US vanishes in a series of shocked conversations with a group of people trapped in an episode of "Leave it to Beaver" and who refuse to accept the reality of what has happened to their country and lack the will to do anything about it. You then either have to decide whether to force them out into the real world, leave them alone and buried as a sad reminder of what was, or join Ulysses in killing them all as a violent rebellion against their lifestyle.

[billyro]

My perfect ending is no ending.

[Moksha8088]

I would like to see Arcade and the Doctor at Camp Forlorn, to be shown standing in front of a home/Office in Novac, with the notation that they lived together happily and they would get together with Cliff Briscoe, Chris Haversam, Ranger Andy and Manny Vargus every Friday night for poker. Conversely, it would be nice if Cass and Veronica were shown running a Rare Pre-War Books & Whiskey store in a cleaned up Freeside. The King would be a frequent customer. Rex would have found peace with his new more violent self due to the still in Cass' whiskey distillery. Both Cass and Rex would attend a weekly AA meeting run by Julie Farkas at the Old Mormon Fort.

 

The Courier and Willow should be shown heading off for a new adventure with ED-E in tow.

 

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[StealthCookie]

Under my watch over Vegas, (Independent, but without Yes Man taking over from me) I would like to see:

 

-The Super Mutants (and cured Nightkin) of Jacobstown being allowed to live peacefully in settlements within and around Vegas, should they wish to do so, (not unlike Broken Hills).

 

-The restoration of Freeside, Westside and North Vegas Square, with the strip's walls being torn down for a unified Vegas, but with each district maintaining some autonomy.

 

- All settlements within the Mojave, (Novac, Goodsprings, Primm) have the option choose to elect a representative to Vegas to help govern the Mojave as a whole, and in return, benefit from improvements through taxes.

 

-Securitrons AND human guards are to be sent to each settlement to protect it from the Wastes, NOT for local law enforcement (the settlements do that themselves, should they wish).

 

-Rail network restored to move people and supplies quickly and safely.

 

-All escaped prisoners from the Correctional Facility are to be taken in and imprisoned.

 

-Eventual diplomatic relations with the NCR, including trade. I'm assuming the Legion has been broken seeing as how I turned Caesar and Lanius into shreds :)

 

-Most violent raider gangs, (Jackals, Fiends,) to settle peacefully or be pushed across the Colorado.

 

-Eventual eradication of the worst Wasteland critters, (Deathclaws, Radscorpions, Cazadores, etc.)

 

Yup, that's pretty much it. My Vegas.

[Dan3345]

Not to be bashful, but I think many of you are being to idealist. For instance a few pages back someone said they would free the powder gangers but take their weapons away.. This is like letting loose a known murderer, or rapist etc and just assuming they won't kill /rape again. I am not assuming all of them are murderers, in fact one of them I spoke to admitted to just being a theft, however some are, and I think after their little uprising all could be flagged as murderers or accessories to murders..

 

And it sounds like to me others are being fascists. One person said he would kill Mr. House because he is a fascist but would then tell all the individual, tribals, and raiders, "You can join my army, or leave." That sounds fascist to me o_O

 

In my ending if I got my way for once, the mojave would look like this.

 

I hand over most of the Mojave to NCR, and in return I ask that NCR lower taxes on the smaller communities, and the areas with very high crime and very high poverty rates. They would agree of course because I control the Dam, and the securitrons. I would hand over the securitrons to them, but keep a few for myself and keep control of the dam. However they are permitted to keep soldiers within it and on its grounds to protect it, and hey are allowed and welcomed to employ engineers to maintain it.

 

Brotherhood is forced (I'm fascist here I suppose) to work closely with the Followers to educate the people on the dangers of old world technology and how to better their lives through farming, trading, reading, math, medicine etc etc.. I believe the followers would agree right off the bat, because if you think about it the BoS shares a lot of goals with the followers. And I believe I could use diplomacy to convince the BoS to work with them by allowing them to confiscate and protect/study all pre war technology. However the catch is if the technology cannot be readily made into a weapon and can have good lasting effects for the people(IE new medicine) they must share it. In the real world nuclear energy is a very good thing, which goes along with the splitting of the atom, and helps us fight cancer, and power our devices. However the flip side of that is we have nuclear weapons. So things like that must be closely monitored.

 

As for the tribal's/raiders. Great Khans will be allowed immunities when on their own land and their land will be a reservation. They will cease selling all drugs to the fiends and in return they will receive care from the followers, a crimson caravan trade routed to red rock canyon, and protection from securitrons. However if they are caught selling their drugs again the offenders will be removed from red rock canyon and imprisoned. They may produce the drugs and distribute them as they please. My reasoning is the chemicals they will use to make the drugs will be limited to them by the followers, and so the process will be restricted. So even if they were going to distribute it would be very small amounts. Not enough to supply an entire vault of fiends by any measure.. :rolleyes:

 

Raiders will be dealt with very severely. If they are seen, stealing, killing, or looting owned properties they will be shot on sight. If they are shot and survive they will wish they had died. They will be put into labor camps and forced to mine minerals at quarry junction to produce cement. There is no room for criminals. My Mojave will be bleeding resources and so every last bit counts and we can't afford to let it go to criminals.

 

The kings will help the followers in freeside. End of story. Though I don't think the King would mind at all..

 

The legion.. What to do with them... I know, I will restore Nipton, I will restore Nelson. And after the second defeat at the damn, I will march up to the legates doorstep and massacre everyone on that hill with a small squad of rangers, and securitrons. Then we will march into the Caesars tent, where I will find him surrounded by his guards. I will kill the guards and tie up the mighty Caesar at his hands at feet. I should mention that before doing any of these I will have rigged up as many working or restored TV sets as possible in freeside and the strip. Goodsprings will get some as well, as will Jacobstown, Primm, and Westside. Hell even Mcarran can have some love. I will have a single securitron enter the tent. This securitron will have a camera rigged to his head. He will broadcast live Caesar's last words. Caesar being the proud ***** he is will say nothing. Perhaps spit on me or the robot. Anyways I would tell the good people about Caesars brain tumor. Then lay him on his bed while the robot securitron continues to broadcast and rig the auto doc to peel apart his face while he is unable to move. Live for everyone's enjoyment.

 

All left over Legion will be killed. All of them. No mercy, no nothing.. They chose that path knowing full well what it meant if they were defeated. And if the thought never passed their mind that is not my fault.. They will be held responsible for their choices.

 

Let's see I think the only faction I haven't mentioned is the boomers. They will be given the same immunities as the Great Kahns. Except I don't care what drugs they have because I know they are a closed community. After the assist with taking the dam I don't really think I will require much of them.

 

And that is all, I think... SO yeah.. Legion lovers I am not sorry. :devil:

[marharth]

Not to be bashful, but I think many of you are being to idealist. For instance a few pages back someone said they would free the powder gangers but take their weapons away.. This is like letting loose a known murderer, or rapist etc and just assuming they won't kill /rape again. I am not assuming all of them are murderers, in fact one of them I spoke to admitted to just being a theft, however some are, and I think after their little uprising all could be flagged as murderers or accessories to murders..

 

And it sounds like to me others are being fascists. One person said he would kill Mr. House because he is a fascist but would then tell all the individual, tribals, and raiders, "You can join my army, or leave." That sounds fascist to me o_O

 

In my ending if I got my way for once, the mojave would look like this.

 

I hand over most of the Mojave to NCR, and in return I ask that NCR lower taxes on the smaller communities, and the areas with very high crime and very high poverty rates. They would agree of course because I control the Dam, and the securitrons. I would hand over the securitrons to them, but keep a few for myself and keep control of the dam. However they are permitted to keep soldiers within it and on its grounds to protect it, and hey are allowed and welcomed to employ engineers to maintain it.

 

Brotherhood is forced (I'm fascist here I suppose) to work closely with the Followers to educate the people on the dangers of old world technology and how to better their lives through farming, trading, reading, math, medicine etc etc.. I believe the followers would agree right off the bat, because if you think about it the BoS shares a lot of goals with the followers. And I believe I could use diplomacy to convince the BoS to work with them by allowing them to confiscate and protect/study all pre war technology. However the catch is if the technology cannot be readily made into a weapon and can have good lasting effects for the people(IE new medicine) they must share it. In the real world nuclear energy is a very good thing, which goes along with the splitting of the atom, and helps us fight cancer, and power our devices. However the flip side of that is we have nuclear weapons. So things like that must be closely monitored.

 

As for the tribal's/raiders. Great Khans will be allowed immunities when on their own land and their land will be a reservation. They will cease selling all drugs to the fiends and in return they will receive care from the followers, a crimson caravan trade routed to red rock canyon, and protection from securitrons. However if they are caught selling their drugs again the offenders will be removed from red rock canyon and imprisoned. They may produce the drugs and distribute them as they please. My reasoning is the chemicals they will use to make the drugs will be limited to them by the followers, and so the process will be restricted. So even if they were going to distribute it would be very small amounts. Not enough to supply an entire vault of fiends by any measure.. :rolleyes:

 

Raiders will be dealt with very severely. If they are seen, stealing, killing, or looting owned properties they will be shot on sight. If they are shot and survive they will wish they had died. They will be put into labor camps and forced to mine minerals at quarry junction to produce cement. There is no room for criminals. My Mojave will be bleeding resources and so every last bit counts and we can't afford to let it go to criminals.

 

The kings will help the followers in freeside. End of story. Though I don't think the King would mind at all..

 

The legion.. What to do with them... I know, I will restore Nipton, I will restore Nelson. And after the second defeat at the damn, I will march up to the legates doorstep and massacre everyone on that hill with a small squad of rangers, and securitrons. Then we will march into the Caesars tent, where I will find him surrounded by his guards. I will kill the guards and tie up the mighty Caesar at his hands at feet. I should mention that before doing any of these I will have rigged up as many working or restored TV sets as possible in freeside and the strip. Goodsprings will get some as well, as will Jacobstown, Primm, and Westside. Hell even Mcarran can have some love. I will have a single securitron enter the tent. This securitron will have a camera rigged to his head. He will broadcast live Caesar's last words. Caesar being the proud ***** he is will say nothing. Perhaps spit on me or the robot. Anyways I would tell the good people about Caesars brain tumor. Then lay him on his bed while the robot securitron continues to broadcast and rig the auto doc to peel apart his face while he is unable to move. Live for everyone's enjoyment.

 

All left over Legion will be killed. All of them. No mercy, no nothing.. They chose that path knowing full well what it meant if they were defeated. And if the thought never passed their mind that is not my fault.. They will be held responsible for their choices.

 

Let's see I think the only faction I haven't mentioned is the boomers. They will be given the same immunities as the Great Kahns. Except I don't care what drugs they have because I know they are a closed community. After the assist with taking the dam I don't really think I will require much of them.

 

And that is all, I think... SO yeah.. Legion lovers I am not sorry. :devil:

Easier to remove their weapons and kick them out imo.

 

The NCR sucks, giving them control will end up screwing up the wasteland in the long run.

 

I honestly am starting to think the next game will have the NCR as the main enemy.

[Akon2009]

Guys could you please visit my topic at New Vegas Spoilers > Independent ending, and leave your thought on the topic.

 

Cheers,

Akon

[mudbug6483]

ROFL i actually heard somewhere that the burned man was a possible follower in Van Buren, but I don't know how someone could possibly survive what he went through. Why would you want him as a follower anyways? i don't even know why Caesar made him legate, his tactics were horrible, he sucks at warfare!

 

By the way i want to make an amendment to my perfect ending: Instead of having you kill the BoS, Caesar forcibly assimilates them into the Legion and uses their knowledge of tech to rebuild the Mojave and create factories so that the Legion doesn't have to abstain from using tech due to not having enough parts for repairing weapons(I know that you could say that repairing works fine for the character, especially with the jury rigging perk, but when you're talking about repairing/producing weapons for the entire Legion, you can't just use what you have scavenged/looted).

 

Caesar made the burning man hes legate because they had been friends and collegues in the followers before Caesar got the idea to take over the world. And he had been a very effective commander durring the "pacification" of the tribes that now make up the legion prior to the 1st hoover dam battle.

 

What your forgetting is how fanatical the BoS trully is. Its not just a job to them. Keeping advanced tech especially weapons out of the hands of the rest of the wasteland is their cult. Their entire reason for existing. The BoS would gladly blow up their bunkers with them still inside to prevent the capture of their skills and knowledge. And as was pointed out in the game, all BoS bunkers have a self destruct system in place for just such a contingency.

 

The Brotherhood would never go along with being just a police force to somebody elses empire. In Fallout 1 and 2 They had a live and let live mentality as long as you didnt have any advanced tek and didn't point a gun at them. But even then they would pay to aquire it if posible before siezing it by force. They even had outposts inside trading hubs for keeping an eye on things and buying up or stealing anything they saw as "theirs" And their patrols took out raiders on sight so the people accepted them unlike what we see now. They stayed out of the governing of the west coast. At least untill the NCR saw their stance on technology as a threat. The NCR started that war and are only wining due to sheer numbers Anyways if they were given aboslute control over the securitrons, then they might feel secure enough in their strength to allow The NCR to continue Shoring up their control of the western US as a governent and the NCR would be forced to capitulate militarily. They might even be conviced to work with the followers to prevent a repeat of what happened from their isolationism. I think i covered how to keep that joining cannon and in compliance with their own codex in my 1st post.

The boomers might be a problem in their mind since they have bigger guns than the BoS and air power. BUT both are isolationists, both love to turn things that would oppose them into a fine red mist, and both are well educated and well versed militarily. It almost seems to me like the vault they came from was originally populated by or at lest in part invisioned by Vault tek as a sort of continuity of government style bunker only sub US Military in place of govt. I think they would actually be an even better fit for one another than the followers and could be convinced to join together if you had a descent speech skill.

Also as I mentioned before, in FO2 the chosen one is quested with stealing the vertibird plans and providing them to either the Brotherhood or the decendants of the Commie Chinese sub crew. So unless you assume everyone went with the commie option then the Brotherhood should have that tech and most likely took over the Navaro base after you blew up the poseidon rig. That would've given them time with it's parts and birds before the NCR actually gained any real power to kick them out to recover most of wat was there. The Enclave pilots and ground crew probably would have been killed on sight so they'd have to way to fly them though. Add that with the boomers who have actual trained pilots via their flight simulators though and you'd have a pretty strong faction.

 

From what I've seen in the dlc OWB I think Ulysees may have come out of a real continuity of governent Vault. Or at least one with a nationalistic slant like the previous poster had said he'd like to see. That would explain the flag on his back and some of what the brains at big mountain said about him and his questions.

That could be a lead in/ teaser to FO4. I'd like to see the legitamate old government (not the murdering Enclave scientist fanatics) try to take back power and rebuild the country next. I think the next Fallout should be set here on the third coast and central US. They've done Cali and DC and even the north eastern US (that fallout brotherhood of steel abomination was set in the Illinois area and I refuse to call that the midwest. Look on a map. That area hasn't been the midwest since the Louisiana purchase). So where's the love for this part of the country? If the BoS went to DC from Cali they would have definatly stopped in Kansas City -the central pay/records office for the military. Probably come down to Texas to check out some of the dozens of old bases we have here, the gm auto plant would probably have been a good place to find metal for repairing armor and i beleive it was here before the real world/ fallout universe divergence, nuclear power plants, texas instruments, the first companty to perfect microchip mass production is here, NASA, The alamo could make a good backdrop to some nutjob faction based on the longhorns or cowboys. New creatures like mutated horned toads that spew iradiated liquid or acid from their eyes instead of blood. Also there's almost as much african wildlife here as in Africa now so It'd be cool to see those animals mutated running around or...

I'm getting off on a tangent and actually I take that all back. After what they did to make fun of the southern and country folks in Point Lookout I don't even want to know what they'd do with a game set in Texas/Louisiana/Oklahoma/Arkansas/North Mexico. Tounge in cheek humor we've come to expect and love from the franchise but that was just rude to insinuate that all southerners are trailer-trash, inbred.swamp folk. Anyways It's all moot anyway since the last dlc is getting the finishing touches as we speak and so far as i know therese been no talk of a FO4.

Edited August 19, 2011 by mudbug6483

[Rimland]

blow a hole in Hoover releasing a flood !

 

this would adversely affect both the Legion's and NCRs geopolitical gains, as well, it would prevent Vegas from becoming a proxy of either or a buffer state between the two.

 

thus, the Mojave Wasteland becomes:

 

a raider wasteland that the Great Khans take over

 

or

 

BoS have a safe haven to rebuild

 

or

 

Ed-E was foreshadowing that the Enclave were heading back west... and they find an empty New Vegas which all it needs... is some electricity !

[Relios]

-Take over the entire Mohave Wasteland with my securitron army.

-Reprogram Yes Man to ONLY say yes to me, provide a password as extra security.

-Remove every footing Legion and NCR has.

-Maintain the Mojave Outpost, in case NCR wouldnt be too butthurt to maintain independent relations.

-Destroy and liquidate the corrupt Van Graff family and Crimson Caravan's Mojave division.

-Exterminate the cannibalistic White-Glove society.

-Eradicate the Fiends.

-Offer a proposition to the Great Khans, abolish their self-destructive "culture" and join the newly-formed alliance, or follow the same fate as the fiends.

-Experiment with Black Mountain to establish a connection to the Capital Wasteland, see whats good with ma dawg 3dog. Inform of situations out west.

-"Hey yall, just wanted to let you know I pretty much 'united' the entire Mojave under one flag, wanted to know if Lyon's Pride wants in."

-Provide a footing in the west for Lyon's chapter.

-Suggest a merger between them and the Followers.

-If Followers decline, they will simply not receive aid nor protection in their affairs.

-Offer the same to the hidden-valley chapter, showing off the Lyon's chapter as proof that they will flourish from adapting.

-Inform the Boomers of my newly-established military security in the Mojave.

-Suggest they join, as it'd be a waste to maintain a xenophobic society of educated engineers and pilots.

-Provide protection to Remnants in exchange for technological and militaristic tutelage.

-Imprison that moron Fantastic.

-Run Hoover Dam and HELIOS One to provide free power to every major settlement in the wasteland, in exchange for services and able'd bodies.

-Reprogram Euclid's C-Finder and the Archimedes-1 satellite to operate AND fire remotely, inputing specific coordinates to rain hell on, despite the distance.

-Open public recruitment of this mostly-technologic pseudo-BoS faction. Enforce Specializations (Field Medics, Field Mechanics, Heavy Weapon's Experts, etc)

Amass a specialized, large-scale "Peacemaker" invasion force to blitz, liberate, and obliterate Flagstaff.

But wait, theres more. If we completely concentrated on military operations, we wouldn't be any different from the NCR, would we?

-Fund and support the workers of Sloan and Quarry Junction, in exchange for their tutelage and expertise. (Therefore providing cement and concrete to this society.)

-Spearhead the effort to reverse-engineer tech obtained in The Divide (Weapons technology), Sierra Madre ("Physical" holograms), and Big MT (Where do I start.....Soylent green, cyborg technology, successful organ transplants, etc).

-Reestablish and completely refurbish the small mines scattered across the Mojave, assigning teams to said mines and turning them into reliable sources for ore.

-Create three divisions of social-aid groups to aid the people of the wastes;

1. Establish a professional clinic in every major settlement, with the aid of the Followers.

2. Start campaign to recycle and refurbish the machinery scattered across the wastes (I have 10 Int and 100 Repair and I cant repair a damned car? Thats bogus...)

3. Clean up city ruins and decaying buildings and replace them with new buildings, actual working homes using the resources previously gained. (concrete, rebar, electricity, water, machinery.)

-1 and 3 would be done in a slight excess and in conjunction to each-other, to offer aid to the homeless and chem-addicted.

With said resources, and the right leadership (Seeing as the leadership of this Union is hell-bent on aiding.) The Mojave would be able to actually become a utopia. Now I just have to name this new, progressive group.....