lorelai2009 Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I didn't mean to imply that Teagan would not be a good Warden or that he is not a good warrior already, I just thought that would be funny :biggrin: you have to admit, Isolde would send the darkspawn running mwahahaha! It was a joke :blush: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ell46 Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I didn't mean to imply that Teagan would not be a good Warden or that he is not a good warrior already, I just thought that would be funny :biggrin: you have to admit, Isolde would send the darkspawn running mwahahaha! It was a joke :blush: I can see that some people find Isolde funny, personally it would give me great pleasure just to strangle her as soon as she opens her mouth, if she ever went on a quest, you wouldn't find me there. No wonder TeeeeeeeeGaaaan was in the chantry, I'm surprised most of the castle weren't in there with him just to get out of ear shot. Come to think of it, I'm surprised that someone didn't make a mod to turn her voice off days after the game was released, is it too late to ask for one now :laugh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyBlade Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 If you really want to stick it to Isolde, go this route: http://www.dragonagenexus.com/imageshare/images/1901964-1287332205.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokenergy Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 (edited) The problem is can these people survive and if they survive, can they be useful to improve the relationship with between the people and GW. Not many people in Ferelden know Bann Teagan, Morrigan, Sten or any people that the warden meets of the tip of their tongue, to them they are just random people. In terms long term survival of the wardens in Ferelden, it is a good choice that you choose someone who is well known and respected by both the nobles and people alike. GW are "superstar status" in other nations like the Andersfels and the Dwarven Kingdoms but in Ferelden they are treated like the enemy because of what happened 30 years ago and Loghain's mis-information campaign. I'm not saying that it could not be done or it shouldn't be done because I and the writers says so but for long term survival of GW in Ferelden they are better off with Loghain. Edit: Poor Isolde. It's not her fault that people hate her Edited December 9, 2010 by brokenergy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thandal Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 ...I can see that some people find Isolde funny, personally it would give me great pleasure just to strangle her as soon as she opens her mouth...Exactly! Which is why I have NO PROBLEM when she volunteers to let her own life power the trip into the fade. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thandal Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 If you really want to stick it to Isolde, go this route: [image snipped]Been there. Done that. (Didn't like myself afterwards... :confused: ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchMageMatt Posted December 9, 2010 Author Share Posted December 9, 2010 The problem is can these people survive and if they survive, can they be useful to improve the relationship with between the people and GW. Not many people in Ferelden know Bann Teagan, Morrigan, Sten or any people that the warden meets of the tip of their tongue, to them they are just random people. In terms long term survival of the wardens in Ferelden, it is a good choice that you choose someone who is well known and respected by both the nobles and people alike. GW are "superstar status" in other nations like the Andersfels and the Dwarven Kingdoms but in Ferelden they are treated like the enemy because of what happened 30 years ago and Loghain's mis-information campaign. I'm not saying that it could not be done or it shouldn't be done because I and the writers says so but for long term survival of GW in Ferelden they are better off with Loghain. Edit: Poor Isolde. It's not her fault that people hate her That's why Loghain is the first choice. However, it wouldn't really matter who becomes one as long as the chances to defeat the Archdemon is increased by 1/3. (Or 1/4... never was good at fractions. :sad: ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorelai2009 Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Well, from this point of view(that is Loghain being well known) it could be a double edged blade for the Wardens. Sure, he is known and respected by some but remember that many hate him also, at least the many families that lost loved ones at Ostagar...it's really tricky. And the Grey Wardens are supposed to be neutral...and I think they are superstars because of what they do, not because of the fame-status certain individuals among their ranks have or had before becoming Gray Wardens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokenergy Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 You never had good odds in the first place. The other GWs would not have came to save Ferelden in time and you need to bolster your ranks as much as you can and make sure that the civil war is stopped. The great thing that Loghain did and many will fail to realise (including I) is that Loghain saved a large portion of Ferelden's army by retreating from Ostagar, his only failing is that he underestimated the darkspawn and the gravity of the situation. You never had good odds there as well and Cailan was foolish to make that stand. GW are officially neutral but in reality like normal militaristic organizations in real life just can't help themselves but to get involved (see Andersfel for more detail). To the families who lost their loved ones, most are likely to support Loghain's argument than the GW because he is a war hero who freed them from their oppressors while the GW are strangers without an inch of creditability. Loghain by the end of the Landsmeet will realize that he has lost and he can't fight against the incoming tide anymore. He will pose no real threat to the GWs either way as he is either dead or living on borrowed time. During this time you can save him as part of the GW revival in Ferelden or kill him for his crime. Either way he will pose no real threat anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorelai2009 Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Yes, Loghain is a respected war hero, I even had characters who spared him because I imagined they grew up with the stories of Loghain and saw him as a role model. But he is also feared, I don't know if you read the book, so I won't spoil anything....And I believe some of the banns, for example, will very quickly turn their back on him and resent him as soon as they realize that he doesn't have the power in his hands anymore(some may even be resentful for things that happened waaayyy back). I also don't agree with his pathetic execution, especially in front of his daughter like that...whatever he did, however despicable, he is a war hero, and it is true, without him maybe there would be no Ferelden to save...he would at least deserve a fair trial.I'm not saying it's a wrong move to conscript him, it would be even more smart if Riordan would have a meeting with the Warden, Alistair and Loghain to explain why we need more grey wardens instead of saying that there are..."compelling reasons", I mean, before the final battle when he tells you and Alistair/Loghain why the Gray Wardens are needed to kill the Archdemon, I wished I had a dialogue option to tell him "why didn't you tell us this at the Landsmeet you...you...!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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