MidbossVyers Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 It says on Ungolim's UESP page: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Ungolim that he's essential until A Kiss Before Dying is started, but if you kill Lucien, when you first meet him, effectively ending your alliance with the DB, the AKBD quest would never start. At that time, does Ungolim and other DB members automatically lose their essentialness? If not, would removing their essentialness manually, then killing them, cause any in-game errors, if there are no other quests associated with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsarian Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Well if there are no other quests associated with the rest of the NPC's then no there should not be any problems. But yes, you will have to make them nonessential manually. They all will retain their essentialness I believe. Although I have never really thought, or tried that. But I believe that they will stay the same. But you will not be able to kill them all unless you cheat with the console to get through the "dark door" that leads into the headquarters in cheydinhal. Have fun. Hope this helped. -Elsarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidbossVyers Posted December 22, 2010 Author Share Posted December 22, 2010 You mean the well door, right? I created another thread asking for someone to make it so that Lucien drops the Well Key, but no one has answered. Also, none of the Black Hand actually go there. The Sanctuary is more of a "henchman hole". All of the Dark Brotherhood Elite have their own lairs that either have no locks or have locks that can be lock-picked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elsarian Posted December 25, 2010 Share Posted December 25, 2010 Well the door that I am referring to is the one that you have to use the password to get into. But to acquire the key you must kill Rufio (I think that is the guy.) And no, all of the Black Hand people that you can actually see in the Vanilla game are all essential. At least I think so. You can however use the Oblivion Construction Set to place the key wherever you want. But that would require you to learn how to do that. But what exactly are you trying to do with all this? -Elsarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidbossVyers Posted December 25, 2010 Author Share Posted December 25, 2010 Oh, the Black Door. But that isn't key-related. That's a dialog event. Regardless, someone already made a mod that puts the key on Lucien, and I can use the Set Essential spell for the rest. This particular issue is settled. Now, if someone can help me on my face construction question, I can actually start the new run... http://www.thenexusforums.com/index.php?/topic/280204-able-face-constructor-needed/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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