Nexus should be against this not FOR it!

[Tesclo]

STEAM is adding paid mods to their market. That's what this is about. So please...

 

 

POST THIS TO YOUR FAVORITE YOUTUBER IF YOU AGREE:

As a Youtuber you have the voice to stop this madness before it starts. Please speak out against paid mods on Steam.

Edited April 23, 2015 by Tesclo

[crayolacrayon]

This is making me hate steam now. I love steam but I've always gotten my mods from here. They are getting really greedy. I bet they are pawning this off as you getting money for content creators when in reality it's making money off of people for themselves because they can.

[micalov]

Personal post not official Nexus stance on anthing

 

Firstly no one said Nexus is for this or against, and its not as if the nexus could do any thing anyway what ever the official stance turns out to be,

 

Secondly you have not even stated what the hell the topic is about for people who do not know, of you want to make some sort of internet crusade you at least have to have a valid argument and explain the situation why its bad why its good what ever.

 

Although I agree its stupid.

[Boombro]

It looks so dump, tumblr feminists suddenly look smarter!

[Tesclo]

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THIS IS WHAT VALVE IS DOING TO PEOPLE THAT SPEAK OUT AGAINST THIS

[bben46]

Nexus is not a part of either Valve or Bethesda, and has no say one way or another.

 

What I am seeing is a lot of people running in circles and jumping off the cliff because they really don't know the facts yet. Please people don't get your panties in a wad over this. Wait and see exactly what is going on and don't jump to conclusions based on incomplete and possibly wrong information. We don't really know all of the facts yet, and neither do you. Instead of repeating the doom and gloom, take a step back and wait for the actual rules and regulations that I am sure Valve has implemented for this. Based on what little I have heard - (still just a rumor and not confirmed) ONLY absolutely new mods can be sold, And any mod that was previously offered free is not eligible. In order to avoid possible lawsuits I just don't see them allowing stolen mods or mods with stolen content to be sold either.

 

Any attacks on modders selling mods will not be tolerated here either. Please keep you comments mature and remember - we don't know all of the facts yet.

[Sholokov]

Thats funny, they say that yet Wet and Cold a previously released mod is listed for $5.

 

And - it is also available for FREE as well. Both on Steam and Nexus - Please READ before attacking.

Bben46

Edited April 23, 2015 by bben46

[Vagrant0]

I coulda sworn we already went through this a few years ago when Steam Workshop was added. Beyond the initial influx of people jumping over to cash in, it probably won't go anywhere that changes anything for the majority of cases.

 

Selling a mod opens up a host of complications that most mod authors won't want to deal with... Particularly that nobody will want to use their mod unless it is substantial or unique enough to be worth the price. Given that many of these more substantial mods also require more complicated installation steps, it ends up being a problem when released through workshop where the automated installation doesn't do everything. For less substantial mods it will just encourage others to make a mod very similar and just release it for free. As there is no such thing as modding copyright, as long as the mod is made from scratch there is nothing that original author can do about it. Then there is the increased liklihood of people pirating those mods for use on other sites. Then there's the matter of claiming the income from sold mods on your Taxes. Even if you're selling the mod to a thousand people, it's certainly more trouble than its worth.

 

Regardless, it doesn't change anything on our end as far as I know. Mods will still be free when hosted here and putting anything behind a pay-wall is explicitly against site rules. If modders are going to pull their mods from this site just to cash in, that is their choice, and best of luck with all the grief that comes with it.

[Robert1308]

I've been on this site since Oblivion was new, never posted much but I've been here, and this is not the first time a company has done some stupid crap and a bunch of people got up in arms about it.

 

I myself am not happy with the way Bethesda and Valve are handleing this. It's not that the mods are being sold that I take issue with so much as it is Valve has a history of doing a piss poor job at I.P. protection through greenlight and support for a lot of the junk that gets pushed through is almost non-existant.

 

Now I think the issue that will kill this practice is that many of the high quality mods that most people will want to use and think are of sufficient quality to warrent being paid for are relient on other mods for their function. For example, say that I make a mode the requires the script extender. I want to make $2.50 off each user of this mod. Everybody on the planet who uses my mod thinks it's the best thing ever and may as well cure cancer and solve world hunger in one fell swoop. The end user will wind up paying $10.00 because of valve taking 3/4 of revanue which is beyond silly. But for now let's just assume that eveybody agrees that my mod is worth it.

 

But wait!

 

I never got permission from the author of the script extender and they don't want to monotize it.

 

Enter the world of legal fun.

 

My mod will only function because it uses assets from the script extender so as a result I have now broken US copyright law as well as several international agrements to respect Intellectial property because I am using a work without permission to monotize it while it is under a no profit lisence.

 

Let's just assume i don't get a C&D and continue our adventures in Legal land.

 

At this point I may not be aware that I have broken the law or maybe I just don't care and continue profiting off a work that is not wholly my own.

 

This is the part which legitimately makes me upset that valve is doing this.

 

Let's say that I am on the workshop and I have brought in the $100 minimum to valve so that I start getting money (annother part which feels worg to me but it's not my main gripe).

 

Now I am making money w00t live is good.

 

Now we have dougly doright on the scene and he knows that I have violated someone else's IP and reports the mod to Steam.

 

Based on valve's customer service record I suspect the nobody is going to look at one report so let's bump that number up to say 500 reports on the mod, that seems arbitrarily high enough to warrent a response, or at least a glance.

Let's assume the same 500 people also report the mod's status to the creaters of the Script extender and that everybody knows that this is illegal.

 

I don't know if any of you here have noticed but valve takes an eternity to actually remove a mod from the workshop after it hace had a DMCA claim levied against it and been reported to have stolen content or otherwise violate a liscensed agreement on the mods origional page, so I see no reason that valve will be any better here especially since they have said that they will not be currating.

 

So to return to our example of my cancer curing world feeding mod, what is valve to do?

 

What part of liability do they face? What part do I face? Naturally I would likely face the brunt of liability but what will I be made to do with the money I made, I already spent it (even copyright violaters have to eat). I am not a legal expert but from what I understand I would be pretty well screwed legally speaking if this went to any sort of actual litigation.

 

But what would valve do for the people who have paid for the mod? Will they be refunded? would they recieve a store credit?

 

Gee I wish I knew, if only someone would've put something like this in clear writing on the paid workshop, but I have seen nothing on the process should a mod be removed for legal reasons, I know that the mod cannot be taken down completly so that those who paid still have access to it but what if one of the authors of a part of the mod want's their contribution removed since they were not consulted about it's becoming a paid mod in the first place, then what? Valve cannot keep it up legally because it was not the uploaders to put up for sale so now the people who bought the mod are kind of screwed because they lose access to content that they paid for and there is no clear resolution for them in the agreement on the paid workshop.

 

 

 

Sorry for the wall of text but I am wholly against the paid workshop content not least of which beause of the potential legal issues I described here. Sorry if it got a bit rambally but I'm pretty tired at the time of writing so my proof reading skills are kind of crap at the moment, but I hope that the point that I was trying to make was clear enough.

[rednammocon]

I wanted to facepalm myself but i stopped because it would probably kill me. Thats the Hiroshima of modding and Valve dropped the nuke - it'll never be the same again.