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[FillipeMattos]

In response to post #24603119. #24603684, #24603834, #24603914, #24603939 are all replies on the same post.

FillipeMattos wrote:

DarthOmix wrote: A lawyer from Valve said it was fair game, he talked it over with Fore and agreed to refund everyone who paid for it.

Rifleman556 wrote: Essentially if every person who made a mod were to sought out a copy right, they could infact sue Valve, before it was taken down ofcourse.

Rifleman556 wrote: It was and wasn't free game, the content can only be used legally for what the author allows.

marthgun wrote: i called for him to get banned here on the nexus along with anyone else that signed up for the 25% con job.

But lets face it, they've already recieved their punishment. everyone has been getting flamed and harassed. I don't want to cause them any more pain and suffering. I would like to think they learned their lesson. It was a selfish move on their part, but it wasn't an unjustifiable move.

If everyone made money on their mods, it might produce higher quality mods but it would destroy the average modder and make using mods far more difficult. It also has serious liability issues with selling a digital product, and so far there is no consumer protection.

You need to consider whether the mod comes with third party content before starting to charge it. Edited April 24, 2015 by FillipeMattos

[BounceDK]

Well f you too Nexus.

[TheEyelessWanderer]

In response to post #24596664. #24601034, #24601499, #24601684, #24602554, #24602869, #24603179 are all replies on the same post.

JCDNWarrior wrote:

TheEyelessWanderer wrote: And I'm %100 in agreeance.
This is something far outside the realm of digital tyranny. It speaks a greater story.

(What would the Stormcloaks do?)

Milleuros wrote: Of course. A few days before, I'd be saying that Valve was the only editor who had not made anything against mods. Now the truth is : all video games editors are fighting modding.


Modding is dead.

TheEyelessWanderer wrote: Modding is not dead.

WE hold the wallets. Do not falter, when it is YOU who holds the weapon.

WightMage wrote: Fight the System!

hector530 wrote: ahhhh there's nothing like people who just joined nexus this year claiming modding is dead

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

i'll see you all back at nexus for fallout 4

Milleuros wrote: @hector530 :

I was coding micro-mods for Battlefield 2, years ago. It was very different from this. I can safely say that modding is dead.

Yeah, we are the ones with the wallets and we are the ones who decide. But come on, there are already been plenty of people who bought mods on Steam after a single day.
When there were the first DLC or the first preorder bonuses, optimists said that it would never work because gamers are the ones with the wallet. Guess what it failed.

@Milleuros


For every guppy that diverted his cigarette funds towards the purchase of a Steam Workshop mod, there were a hundred more pissed off members of the community speaking out against it on a multitude of different websites/blogs/petitions, etc.

When DLC won out, it was a different era. PC gaming was not thrust in the mainstream and consoles held majorital superiority. This is a fight for PC in an era where PC is strong and resilient. Keep your head up. We DO have the power to sway this.

[alsoran]

In response to post #24599664. #24599799, #24599829, #24599839, #24599979, #24600139, #24600194, #24600244, #24600359, #24600494, #24600539, #24600884, #24600989, #24601494, #24602579, #24602799 are all replies on the same post.

G18AkimboNoob wrote:

Eiries wrote:

However, The Nexus is a listed Service Provider on the curated Workshop, and they are profiting from Workshop sales. They are saying one thing, while simultaneously taking their cut.

I don't see how mentioning "these guys have mods too" constitutes Nexusmods making money off of this (except through traffic which he has no control over.)

Citation from bossman requested.

LtRhapthorne wrote: So Dark0ne is being as greedy as Valve

Unless he personally responds to these accusations, I'm going to ask for my account to be banned. I don't have local copies of my mods. They'll be dead forever.

PickleJar wrote: Yeah, Dark0ne needs to post about this.

LoneHP wrote:

Citation from bossman requested.

No bleeding joke on that. A statement regarding what Chesko revealed is required to begin with, because actual money has likely flowed here over Chesko's (and Fores' ) work with no indication of such.

CiderMuffin wrote: If it's from ad revenue that's an unfair statement for Chesko to make, numerous sites do ad revenue in order to make ends meet. As far as I see it I don't get how the Nexus could make money off of this as they have no part in the transactions. I think this is just Chesko using the negative PR they're getting to hurt someone else out of spite.

Eiries wrote: Chesko's been colossally wrong about a lot of stuff over the past 24 hours so I can't help but feel he's just trying to take the heat off himself and place it on Robin. We'll see, I'm sure he'll say something.

The 3rd Type wrote: http://puu.sh/hpnwE/1fa0ce9998.png

Eiries wrote:

http://puu.sh/hpnwE/1fa0ce9998.png

Totally making bank on this scandal. Totally. Hey dude.

The 3rd Type wrote: Hey Eiries. You ever get around to those Flamer Textures :^)

StaciKrash wrote: Arthmoor is also saying the same about robin

shinkicker404 wrote: link

He did reply to Chesko in Reddit.

teppic1 wrote: " Was this a risky, perhaps bold, thing to go ahead with? Yes. Was it a bit crappy of me? Also yes. But it was a risk I took, and the outcome was largely dependent on the FNIS author's reaction to the situation. He was not happy, so I took steps to resolve it. I did not "steal animations" or "steal content""

I don't agree with this at all. You cannot knowingly use someone else's work without permission for monetary profit and then call it a risk as to whether they would be happy with that or not. It's not his place to do that.

TheSabi wrote: hmm this is AFTER he used someone else assests in a mod and got caught. He's not new to modding, he knws better. This comes off more as make everyone else look like the bad guy whao is me redirecting.

He is quoted in those articles and in his letter he knew FULL WELL he shouldn't be using them and using the scapegoat of valve saying "if the download was separate and free, it was fair game." He admits FNIS isn't needed so he could have waited or just not include them like with Arissa 2.0.

Sorry if I'm not buying "nexus is evil too" after that.

Thaiauxn wrote: All of this insane traffic is going to cost the Nexus thousands of dollars per day, and we're not recouping that cost.

The only way for Nexus to try and get that back is if Valve extended an olive branch with a service provider option. That sounds like a reasonable attempt at removing the strain they've created on the site.

WightMage wrote: Dark0ne DID respond a little bit regarding the supposed 1-5 percent cut Nexus might get- It's entirely at the nodder's discretion to choose a site or two that they can give 1-5 percent of their profit to. In other words, a donation.

Chesko, unfortunately, did not choose to give the Nexus anything.

So as far as I'm concerned, this hardly the Nexus being hypocritical, since in theory it is entirely up to the modders to decide if and when they get anything.

Big fish eat little fish.

[Milleuros]

In response to post #24603704. #24603984 is also a reply to the same post.

SpicyTM wrote:

raupao wrote: You arent very bright are you? Read this and dont be so naive next time.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/04/24/valves-paid-skyrim-mods-are-a-legal-ethical-and-creative-disaster/

I never paid for DLC, now games have almost no content at day one and if I buy the regular edition I can't play with my friends who bought all DLCs. I never paid for pre-order bonuses and now it's impossible to find any game without a part of its content being only available as pre-order.

I never paid for a game edited by a company I strongly disagreed with their politics, now I don't buy games anymore.

I will never pay for a mod. Guess what ?

[Milleuros]

In response to post #24596664. #24601034, #24601499, #24601684, #24602554, #24602869, #24603179, #24604044 are all replies on the same post.

JCDNWarrior wrote:

TheEyelessWanderer wrote: And I'm %100 in agreeance.
This is something far outside the realm of digital tyranny. It speaks a greater story.

(What would the Stormcloaks do?)

Milleuros wrote: Of course. A few days before, I'd be saying that Valve was the only editor who had not made anything against mods. Now the truth is : all video games editors are fighting modding.


Modding is dead.

TheEyelessWanderer wrote: Modding is not dead.

WE hold the wallets. Do not falter, when it is YOU who holds the weapon.

WightMage wrote: Fight the System!

hector530 wrote: ahhhh there's nothing like people who just joined nexus this year claiming modding is dead

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

i'll see you all back at nexus for fallout 4

Milleuros wrote: @hector530 :

I was coding micro-mods for Battlefield 2, years ago. It was very different from this. I can safely say that modding is dead.

Yeah, we are the ones with the wallets and we are the ones who decide. But come on, there are already been plenty of people who bought mods on Steam after a single day.
When there were the first DLC or the first preorder bonuses, optimists said that it would never work because gamers are the ones with the wallet. Guess what it failed.

TheEyelessWanderer wrote: @Milleuros


For every guppy that diverted his cigarette funds towards the purchase of a Steam Workshop mod, there were a hundred more pissed off members of the community speaking out against it on a multitude of different websites/blogs/petitions, etc.

When DLC won out, it was a different era. PC gaming was not thrust in the mainstream and consoles held majorital superiority. This is a fight for PC in an era where PC is strong and resilient. Keep your head up. We DO have the power to sway this.

@ TheEyeLessWanderer

You're cute.

Editors are tired of PC gamers. They represent only a small part of the market and they have incredible expectations.
Many recent games on PC have been lowered down if you compare to old PC gaming. Skyrim itself has a very poor UI and lack of hotkeys because it is console-adapted.

[Eiries]

In response to post #24600654. #24600674, #24600714, #24600744, #24600914, #24601069, #24601314, #24601679, #24601744, #24601759, #24602074, #24602134, #24602279, #24602334, #24602349, #24602814 are all replies on the same post.

StaciKrash wrote:

Dark0ne wrote: This one?

It's not hidden, it's on their service provider listing at the bottom of this page, which explains how it works. Mod authors select service providers who they think helped them in their modding, and in turn, the service provider gets between 1%-5% of Valve's cut of their profits, depending on how many service providers were picked by the mod author.

So the mod author opts in to it themselves, and the money comes from Valve's cut.

LtRhapthorne wrote: He either needs to make the Nexus paid for (killing it) or remove the Nexus as an option for service provider. Otherwise, he's double dipping.

LtRhapthorne wrote: So you're double dipping?

Why should I believe anything you say?

PickleJar wrote: Why not tell us you're taking a cut right from the get-go?

Shouldn't you have all your cards on the table (and on the table here, on your site, not buried in Valve's legal writings) if you really want to help everyone get through this to a peaceful conclusion?

Blademaster1215 wrote: The Nexus doesn't take a cut from every paid mod. From the way it's worded, Service Providers can be given donations by the modders, but its the modder's choice to give said cut to whichever providers. Unless I'm reading this wrong?

StaciKrash wrote: Thanks a lot for replying, I'm not sure how to react to this tho

EDIT: thinking about I guess it's like the modders are donating instead of paying you, still I'm sure not everyone will see it that way

Eiries wrote: Hm. I guess its not a huge deal on the surface (modders opt in), but I feel any money generated from this scandal is dirty money, and playing any part of it at all is kind of questionable.

Then again it's coming out of Valve's pocket as a community-based "thanks for existing..." I dunno. I'll trust your judgement I suppose.

mznXII wrote: soo...
if modder felt obligated to nexus then
the modder could make steam/valve give nexus 1-5% of their 75%, but
its up to the modder to gave it or not

at least that's what i catch from Dark0ne's post

i hope i interpret it right

and LtRhapthorne, if you could say "Why should I believe anything you(Dark0ne) say?" you shouldn't easily believe what modder from steam/valve have to say too, to be fair

and i'm not intend to start an argument

SolidusEkans wrote: Did the Nexus know this? Were the Nexus also under NDA about this? Have the Nexus made any money out of this yet?
You should make things clear Dark0ne, or people will start to think you're a two faced liar. (I don't, just to be clear)

jediakyrol wrote: nope, that is exactly how it is...Nexus would have gotten a 1~5% cut if Chesko had checked them on his mod... ... ...... ... ...which he apparently didn't...or else it would have said on his mod "Service Providers: NexusMods"

paragonskeep wrote: How would Nexus be "double dipping"?
It is up to the mod author not the Nexus to list the service provider.

WightMage wrote: I too would like a clarification, please.

TheEyelessWanderer wrote: Give the man (Dark0ne) some time to formulate an official statement on the matter. I'm sure he has a lot of stuff to deal with right now. And don't be so hasty to cast judgement and resentment over a situation that literally NONE of us have the clarity of.

This site has stood as a sentinel for modding for many years, and I highly doubt that he's throwing it down the drain with any of this. While we are all part of this wonderful community, Dark0ne is the leader. So give the man a chance, and stop backing him into a fox hole.

WightMage wrote: ... bad move on Chesko's part.

Thunde wrote: Its good that you get some money back from steam. Nexus is a great site for modds.

I guess mulling it around in my head I shouldn't mind. There are other great providers there, like the Blender Foundation. It's completely optional and, with the concept of the Workshop enticing some modders (won't say any names,) with moving their stuff over to the Workshop or just bailing out entirely, Robin needs any little bit he can get. If anything we need the Nexus more than ever.

Not to mention the most important part: by being a service provider it gives the Nexus a spot on the Workshop page, which can open up more people to here that previously only took advantage of the Workshop. I've heard such people exist.

[unique1]

I just wonder if the real reason for payed mods in skyrim is to try to destroy the modding scene before their MMO release.

 

A donation system is fine, but payed modding is not good for the future of the game.

 

Keep your mods free people.

 

[AvengerJikir]

In response to post #24601489. #24601644, #24601719, #24601884, #24601969, #24602009, #24602079, #24602239, #24602539, #24602874, #24603004, #24603284, #24603614, #24603949, #24603959, #24604554 are all replies on the same post.

PotatoHunter wrote:

homeiswonderland wrote: "We?" Please, speak for yourself...

PotatoHunter wrote: I've been going site to site, spreading the petition, fighting the good fight, and now I'm starting to feel betrayed and angry because I just found out about this. U'd feel the same too.

flamenx01 wrote: It's an opt-in (as in it's up to the modder) 1%-5% (of valves cut) donation to the nexus.

jl144740 wrote: Calm down they understand us, unlike Valve. Did Nexus tell you that there mods cost money(?) No so calm down

PotatoHunter wrote: Yeah I understand this, but they are the leaders of this community and they are speaking out against it. You can't speak out against something while having money trickle in your back pocket simultaneously, even if your upfront about it. Your on one side or another.

homeiswonderland wrote: What's going on sucks. You're saying you just found out about the service providers thing? Let's take a step back, do a little more research, and let hurt feelings subside. Even if nexus is being a bit hypocritical (and I'm not saying they are), attacking them is not the thing to do right now. Let's just focus on mods not getting stolen and supporting those anxious modders who are hiding their mods out of fear.

Finnien wrote: Do you have any idea how much a site like this costs to run? If Valve wants to pay a VERY small portion of its portion to Nexus, all it does is help keep free modding afloat. It's VERY clear that Nexus has every intention of not only keeping mods free, but of allowing modders here to actively work together against their mods being used in paid content.

Stow the righteous and misplaced anger, and actually read all the news posts. What you're proposing isn't just cutting off the nose to spite the face, it's cutting off your right leg to spite a toe on your left foot.

homeiswonderland wrote:

Dark0ne's explaining it/defending his stance here.

PotatoHunter wrote: Look, okay maybe I got overzealous in my original post. I'll openly admit it, I was wrong, but I also read all the news posts completely.

So taking a cut of paid mods to support free mods is a good idea? I dont think so. You can't have the best of both worlds. Corporate greed will win if theres not 100% opposition to this. I'm not saying that Nexus doesnt deserve money, they definently do for everything they've done. Modders also deserve money for their mods. But its money from a program hellbent on destroying the free modding community. And the almighty Valve gets 75 percent.

But this program is evil. There will not be a co-existance of paid content and free content. To think that is naive. There are rumours out there that the paid content is already being taken down. I hope thats true. I just feel that even accepting a small cut of the money is a little bit hypocritical in my eyes.

And look, I'm not a premium member. I've used Nexus since Oblivion, and I never donated either. Maybe in the long run, this'll be a good thing. Maybe I should join premium and give a mod author a couple bucks here or there once a while. But I stand by my original point. Accepting money from this service is like Ulfric Stormcloak getting a cut of Thalmor money for fighting the Empire for them (who even knows, maybe he was). Even if the money amounts to an iron dagger. Its the principle.

sesom wrote: Nexus is no leader. I don't have one.

phellen wrote: This makes sense from a business stand point. Remember guys, Valve wants free mods and paid mods to co-exist. This ensures the growth and stability of their paid workship. Free mods lead to people wanting to improve their skills and try their hand at selling mods. The main question is did the nexus know about all this beforehand? Did valve contact them to be the messengers, to predict and announce it was happening to kind of ease everyone in a little ahead of time? I'm unsure now, although I'd like to believe that the nexus was just as surprised as we all were.

Milleuros wrote: @phellen :

They were contacted beforehands so they could make the agreement on the 1-5% part. There is somewhere on this comment page a link to Nexus' answer on Reddit.

empiric wrote: Slight correction: Valve wants paid mods and free mods to co-exist PRECISELY TO THE DEGREE OF WHATEVER MAKES THEM MOST MONEY.

1. Free mods make them money, by increasing sales of Skyrim.
2. Paid mods make them additional money by the direct sales of the mods.

There is no community concern or altruism here outside of maximizing dollars and cents. The instant an option exists where 2 makes more money than 1, they'll destroy free mods in an instant. It's a corporation.

Rifleman556 wrote: Liability.

Shubal wrote: The way I read it was that the MOD AUTHORS had an option to divide their meager 25% share with tool makers and sites they feel were important. Nexus was designated a site a grateful author might point some of his share too. Off course the corporate bean counting c88k suck8rs 75% was not touched. So I wouldn't say Nexus was in on the deal unless everyone else on that list is so considered.

@phellen: According to his reddit post, he only found out about this a few weeks ago. As in, after his predictive article. It does look a bit dodgy that he was actually right, but then again; in hindsight, many of us should have predicted it if we'd really paid attention to what Valve's been up to lately.

And I really see nothing wrong with taking a cut from this. As long as they haven't signed a contract stopping them from still making an argument against Valve's actions, it's fine. They haven't sold out; they're just taking free money with seemingly no conditions. Maybe Valve are just trying to make themselves feel better about the whole thing by at least doing something right.(even if they've messed everything else up) Edited April 24, 2015 by AvengerJikir

[bigdeano89]

Will people just calm down and actually READ what Dark0ne posted regarding the "service provider" system? Modders with paid mods can CHOOSE to give nexus a small amount of valves cut if they feel Nexus has helped them or their mod flourish in the past. It is NOT them double dipping or getting greedy, its a donation, just like everything else on the nexus.

 

Some people need to take a step back before they take a seizure over misinformation.