Steam Service Providers, and some how needing to clarify the Nexus stance again

[Psijonica]

In response to post #24656869. #24656939, #24660014 are all replies on the same post.

Farvahar wrote:

phantompally76 wrote: More and more it would appear so.

We may need to remind ourselves that there are other places to download mods besides Steam and nexusmods. IF we even continue to pursue the modding hobby at all.

Farvahar wrote: The community made Steam and Nexus what it is, we can make another.

THIS

You should consider a kickstarter page.

[Fedack]

In response to post #24659614. #24660249, #24660259, #24660314 are all replies on the same post.

digitaltrucker wrote:

WightMage wrote: We'll be sorry to see you go. :(

digitaltrucker wrote: Sorry to appear as if I'm talking to myself, but the edit function appears to be broken (possibly the system may be a tad stressed?)

I wanted to add the note that after discovering that the %25 to the modder is ENTIRELY attributable to Bethesda. Steam only takes %30, and that may even only be %25 if the modder chooses a content provider. What this means for me is that unless Bethesda makes a very rapid turnaround on this, it's over. It's all up to you, Bethesda [Zenimax].

digitaltrucker wrote: @WightMage

I didn't intend to imply I'm going. There are other games and alternatives to Steam. ;) The Witcher 3 is coming out May 19th, and it's NOT Steam-exclusive. GOG is distributing it as well, and I've been really pleased with my dealings GOG in the past.

Why? Why are you leaving for that? Wouldn't you show more support by simply keeping your mods free and available on the nexus. You already paid for the game. Shouldn't you actually promote keeping your mods free while doing a good job than letting this affect you? In the end it won't change anything for bethesda, you weren't going to sell your mods and they aren't getting any money from you. All you're hurting by deciding to leave the modding for skyrim is the community, not bethesda, not steam.

[Jigsawjohn]

If it was some kind of patron system I would feel different, its not perfect by any means but I feel the spirit of this whole paid mods thing -should- be directed at rewarding those who put out effort into creating something worth paying extra for.

 

So why, and this is just my warped perception. Why does it seem like to me that the actual workers, the ones who hammer their virtual nails, draw their digital blueprints , and make their vision come true are the ones getting cheated while the people who previously, and openly are fine with mods (valve, etc.) feel they deserve 75% of the cut. Sure you could argue costs of servers, fees for uploading, advertisement etc. etc., but 75%? Say you make a mod completely from scratch, 100% all your own made models, textures, scripts, etc. it goes on sale for 4 dollers and earns 400,000 total. Does the middle man in this case valve but not limited to them really need 300,000 to offset the upkeep? If so then why hasn't the workshop for games like skyrim driven valve and the nexus out of business as they haven't been generating this 75% fee from upkeep as up until now has been a completely free service to anyone who wanted something extra in their game that they didn't make, and wasn't in the game when they bought it. I see it as a "first bid" marketing trick, You want to have 50% but instead of saying that, you offer 75%. Making your original 50% seem more reasonable. It should be a flat fee for uploading or even more fair charge based on the data size of the mod, with a very small % of the actual Profits going to the middleman.

What Valve is asking for will backfire on them, they want to put a price tag on a system based off free trade so they can tax it. but with a rate too high will see the market dry up all together, as people won't be buying overpriced mods and developers will stop making mods for a price that isn't selling.

 

In a dramatic case, we could see less mods in general after the whole thing unfolds and people get fed up and leave entirely. A story like Chesko's may soon be a frequent news article as the whole thing gets so complicated modders cease to bother.

 

Dang it this comment was intended to be a few sentences long... and I feel like just the surface has been touched on this topic.

 

Long story short, I'm in favor of paid mods when the proceeds go to the ones who did the work. From what I have read this is not the case in what has been stated so far. On a personal opinion level it makes me want to continue to not publicly release anything. With over 1,500 hours on the Skyrim creation kit alone worth of content that will never see beyond a few close friends as long as ideas like these are floating around.

[Rekiara]

In response to post #24659674.

8_of_11 wrote:

This is exactly how I feel.

Even with negative press at the launch of the program, even if it only ends up with mediocre "sales", this is nearly cost-free revenue for any publisher and there's not a chance that it will be passed by. Publishers are going to start pressing developers to release mod resource kits with built in DRM / publishing restrictions to tie them to Marketplace (or Origin or Uplay or whatever future services start offering similar options).

The thing that bugs me most is the constant, naive insistence that this "won't change anything". Because it will. It absolutely will. People spouted the same naivety about things like custom maps and skins in FPS games, and look at the state of that genre today. DLC, DLC, DLC, call us next year for your annual paid update.

[Deleted3507349User]

In response to post #24659614. #24660249, #24660259, #24660314, #24660949 are all replies on the same post.

digitaltrucker wrote:

WightMage wrote: We'll be sorry to see you go. :(

digitaltrucker wrote: Sorry to appear as if I'm talking to myself, but the edit function appears to be broken (possibly the system may be a tad stressed?)

I wanted to add the note that after discovering that the %25 to the modder is ENTIRELY attributable to Bethesda. Steam only takes %30, and that may even only be %25 if the modder chooses a content provider. What this means for me is that unless Bethesda makes a very rapid turnaround on this, it's over. It's all up to you, Bethesda [Zenimax].

digitaltrucker wrote: @WightMage

I didn't intend to imply I'm going. There are other games and alternatives to Steam. ;) The Witcher 3 is coming out May 19th, and it's NOT Steam-exclusive. GOG is distributing it as well, and I've been really pleased with my dealings GOG in the past.

Fedack wrote: Why? Why are you leaving for that? Wouldn't you show more support by simply keeping your mods free and available on the nexus. You already paid for the game. Shouldn't you actually promote keeping your mods free while doing a good job than letting this affect you? In the end it won't change anything for bethesda, you weren't going to sell your mods and they aren't getting any money from you. All you're hurting by deciding to leave the modding for skyrim is the community, not bethesda, not steam.

It's simple, I refuse to support or patronize a business whose practices I disagree with at a fundamental level. And while it may not change anything for the business, at least I won't be tacitly approving it by participating in any way. There are many wrong things in this world that could be fixed if a lot more people would just stop shrugging and going along with something. It's one thing if there is no alternative and my well-being depends on it. My well-being is not dependent on gaming or modding.

Also, I specifically stated that I would NOT pull my mods down. Nor will I be leaving the Nexus.

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Psijonica wrote:

SchwererGustav wrote: This post wwll be deleted in...3...2...1...

You will see ;)

bigdeano89 wrote: Way to sound like an entitled 12 year old man. Dark0ne has been honest from the start. Good luck trying to find another site btw, all the others are either gone or ALSO took the service provider option. That includes AFKmods etc.

Dark0ne is not the only site to do that, so stop making them out to be the bad guys. Nexus has been around for years giving mod authors FREE space for mods big and small.

Dark0ne wrote:

As you paint yourself as the saviour of the free modding community

This post wwll be deleted in...3...2...1...

Why would I delete it? It's a perfect example of the people who don't actually read what I write and, in the process, make themselves look stupid.

SchwererGustav wrote: Because 2 of my comments got delleted befor...

The 1st was a bit aggressive the 2nd not at all.

rotwhip wrote: ooooh someone is angry.

Psijonica wrote: I read what you wrote and I can only giggle that you have lowered yourself to calling me "stupid" LoL

You can fool all the kids here but anyone with real business and life experience sees right through you.

If I am stupid because I don't take your words at face value then so be it... I am a stupid person who drives a Super Snake and I am laughing at how stupid you may think I am.

Basically you are still supporting Pay-for-Mods just that you are calling it by a different name. Many modders like Emma (I guess you think she is stup[id too now eh? Remember her, yoiur old friend who helped you with your uploaded system all thiose years ago?) also believe that this is wrong in every aspect... but I guess we are just stupid.

I can't really tell youwhat I think of you because hey, I'm in an unfair possition where you are able to swing insults but I can't.

Congratulations! *Applause*

benissugger wrote: he said you "make yourself[es] look stupid", not "you are stupid".

JoeyLock wrote: So basically Psijonica, you're saying "Stop asking me for money! Dark0ne just pay the $500,000 to run this community per year and deal with it!" yes? Think about that statement, Endorsements, Permissions and Donations are the very things that keep this community and these mods afloat, if you want 100% free mods, make them all yourself and pay for the site to upload them on.

twhelan wrote: We must excuse those who cannot understand the context of a single sentence.

WightMage wrote: What does Emma, creator of Vilja, have anything to do with this?

Dark0ne wrote: You started with, in response to my article:

As you paint yourself as the saviour of the free modding community

I've already written:

If people are heralding me, specifically, as their champion in the fight against paid modding then they've done that of their own accord, and I certainly haven't agreed to be that champion....Does this sound like a champion of modding being free everywhere? No, it does not. Do not use me as the poster-child for that campaign as I never said I was.

So you either didn't read it, or you read it, and then decided to say I was painting myself as the "saviour of the free modding community" when I've specifically said I neither am or want to have that title. So yes, you look stupid. Even more so, now.

HadToRegister wrote:

Psijonica

Am I going to close all my account? No, not yet. But as soon as there is an alternative choice you can bet I will choose it.

I'm sure that threatening to close your FREE Nexus account that you pay NOTHING for, has most of the people at The Nexus quaking in their boots.

seversky wrote: Psijonica, you are an incredibly spoiled little child. Go away please. Don't come back.

phantompally76 wrote: I don't think Psijonica "looks stupid" at all, Dark0ne.

Quite the opposite, actually.

And I also think that YOU are coming out of this looking dishonest, petty, unapologetic, and at the risk of upsetting you (which is not my intention), just a little sociopathic.

You can't shrug or laugh this off. This is a MUCH bigger deal than you're trying to make it out to be, and just because you refuse to admit there is a problem with your lack of disclosure and transparancy....that doesn't make the problem go away.

And like it or not, a LOT of people have a problem with this.

Reaper0021 wrote: There is no "Bigger Deal". All of it was blatantly obvious, in the open and known by those of us that bothered to read it. These attacks are starting to get pretty damn pathetic. There was/is no conspiracy nor big deals made that have betrayed anyone.

TKHBMVP wrote: From my community experiences in the early 90ies until now on several forums and when usnet newsgroups support forums started remembering from the past, nothing has changed so far with the participants and their communication habbits ;-) It is still the same.
But when I read across all of this thread I'm happy that a lot of people making up their mind on this topic and thinking about the different point of views of the involved people.
Finally this proved that Nexus has a great audience and value modders and members sharing a most valuable content.

Psijonica wrote: YaY! You called me stupid twice! HAHAHA ;D The fact that you keep commenting says more than you know. it says that you feel you need to bully me in order to distract people from the real issue whisch is that you are in one hand holding up a protest sign while with the other taking payments from the people you are saying you are protesting against.

I have to laugh at you.But I guess I'm just stupid or maybe that the throngs of people who once used to get mods for free are now much smarter than me now that they will be paying for them eh?

*SIGH* Look at his last words, "That is what I will fight. That is what I will champion against." and tell me that he is not proclaiming himself as the white knight LoL

and to those of you who say he is not making money, please who are you fooling... he is raking it in and he is only here instead of on vacation trying to protect his money.

joeriz9 wrote: Keep it up kiddo, Good way to get yourself banned by not reading anything that has actually been said.

Reaper0021 wrote: Why are you even posting Psijonica? I mean what's the point you're trying to make beyond just annoying the staff? He was transparent about this whole thing to begin with. There is no hidden agenda. It was publicly posted and I read it before it was brought up by a member who found it the same way I did: Just looked and it was there. It wasn't 'hidden' and wasn't an attempt to be deceptive.

locomotive1236 wrote: "YaY! You called me stupid twice! HAHAHA The fact that you keep commenting says more than you know. it says that you feel you need to bully me in order to distract people from the real issue whisch is that you are in one hand holding up a protest sign while with the other taking payments from the people you are saying you are protesting against.

I have to laugh at you.But I guess I'm just stupid or maybe that the throngs of people who once used to get mods for free are now much smarter than me now that they will be paying for them eh?"

If you consider that bullying, I'm not sure what world you live in. As I understand it from his posts, he's staying neutral at the moment because he understands both sides. I also do not see any point of arguing with someone who is incapable of see things from only one perspective and have such a fragile self-esteem.

MCato wrote: "As you paint yourself as the saviour of the free modding community you are not fooling me"
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Please show me any of your mods, even the smallest. Then I'll take your words seriously

HadToRegister wrote:

Psijonica
YaY! You called me stupid twice!

Actually, no he didn't, what you HAVE done though, is shown that twice now, you lack any reading comprehension skills whatsoever, which also explains why you have the whole Valve/Nexus thing so wrong.

Because you read and then interpret everything the way you WANT it to be, rather than the way it actually IS, facts be damned.

SchwererGustav wrote: It's a joke really , anybody with a brain can see were this is going and it is definitely not going to be good for modders who do it for the love of modding and not for the shekkels.

The corps and shareholders will love this news, alot of people (with alot of money) will make a quick buck and leave the modding community in the dirt.

But who are we to judge we don't have a shitload of servers that the community payd for...

Reaper0021 wrote: Had is right. Your a stone-headed kid that's got a conspiracy theory to play with and I'll be damned if your immature ass isn't going to play with it. You just refuse to read and comprehend what's written or you see ulterior motives abounding in everything people say and do.

sunshinenbrick wrote: I hope I don't regret bringing this point up. We are entitled to opinions are we not? And we are allowed to doubt what people say at face value, are we not? That is part of a community and it does not help to throw insults at one another, even if it's understandable as we all have a lot of passion about modding.

gingersnapples wrote: you sir are a clever troll, or wear lead-lined hats on a daily basis. can't decide which.

oh well. time ever flows onward, and this, too, shall pass.

ZeroKing wrote: Yeah! Community effort, guys! We get stuff for free, we'll give no support for the effort here, and we demand retribution for what the site owner believes in because he has to pay for the servers..... oh wait.

I forgot about the $500,000 annual server cost that most of us contribute next to nothing for. Yeah, reality sucks, eh?

Reaper0021 wrote: Yes your opinions are indeed welcome. This person isn't stating an "Opinion" this person has taken facts, mixed them up into his/her own little theory, and is attacking Dark0ne. Best if you don't get involved in it as you too seem to not know whats going on either. ****I'm giving you Kudos Zero cause I haven't seen you in so long.

Psijonica wrote: No reaper he has not been honest at all. When explain your self and leave out certain elements then that is being dishonest.

Let's face it, the reason he is saying is is neutral is because he is afraid to actually state his position. Wishy washy... and because I have an opposite opinion of how he has handled this now everybody trolls me. LoL Like I care. I own my house (paid for) and have a wife who loves me and 3 children that I feed and clothe and I am here with my eldest fighting for what I believe is right.

I believer he has lied, I believe he is not being honest and I don't trust his so called good intentions.

I can not believe for the life of me what is happening and you know what, if this goes through then this whole generation deserves SOPA and all the other corporations to come in take over the internet.

Of course I say that with tongue in cheek but I have been fighting the machine my whole life and I am getting tired... this really makes me not want to care any more and just let the children work it out themselves.

Pay-for-mods is the absolute worst thing that can happen and it is pretty much a done deal.

If Dark0ne want to be the Champion then let him refund all the money he gets from valve directly to the moddders. Lets see if he does that eh?

ZeroKing wrote: PhD in biomedical engineering, have a wife and 6 children. Disabled from the waist down, and still work across 17 countries annually.

Doesn't pay Robin's server bills with my personal morals and my credentials, does it?

Reaper0021 wrote: "Pay for mods" is a bad idea. I'm 44, own 4 houses (live in one rent the others 3 small houses to help my disability) and have 1 child...no wife. And? The make-up of my family or my residence doesn't validate my words any more than it does yours. He isn't betraying us. It was always there to see...I know I read it. I'm sorry this has all happened to turn this community on it's damned head. I've seen you posting in forums before and you are one smart guy. You really are. I've enjoyed your input in the past and it's hard for me to see you being this willfully stubborn.

sunshinenbrick wrote: Ha, thank you... I think :/ I have never considered myself a troll (only learnt what it was a couple of year ago...) being a bit of old fashioned.

I just think it can be unwise to just use the arguement that "it's just the way it is". But I also think there can be constructive ways to talk about this. As in trying to organise a way of reducing this "slippery slope" that has been mentioned a number of times. And I wanted to suggest that getting hissy with each other is not going to help... perhaps that what was predicted to happen??

benjaminpen wrote: Are you drunk? No, seriously... Are you? You seem a little incoherent to me.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I see no conflict between the following two statements:
"I WILL NOT fight someone's right to charge for mods on ANOTHER site. It is NOT okay to charge for mods on THIS site."
"I WILL fight anyone who says I don't have the right to NOT CHARGE for mods on MY site."

And no, I don't think that mod authors being able to donate some of the money being made to the Nexus is a conflict either.

edit: He didn't get the money from the modders' cut, he got it from Valve's cut.

Reaper0021 wrote: Your right Sunshine maybe that's what I needed to calm down was an impartial 3rd to say something. Yeah I'm going to let this rest for now. Try again tomorrow I think. Peace to you all and Kudos to Sunshinenbrick.

HadToRegister wrote:

Psijonica

I own my house (paid for) and have a wife who loves me and 3 children that I feed and clothe and I am here with my eldest fighting for what I believe is right.

Yet here you are, complaining about seeing advertisements on your FREE account.
If you actually HAD all of that stuff, and were mature, you wouldn't need to list ANY of that, as it has NOTHING to do with your conspiracy theory.

Psijonica
If Dark0ne want to be the Champion then let him refund all the money he gets from valve directly to the moddders. Lets see if he does that eh?

Hey, let's see you contribute to the $500,000 annual upkeep for the nexus THAT YOU USE FOR FREE.
You're using a website for FREE and demanding that someone else PAY for something that has already been explained, that all of us adults were able to comprehend quite clearly on our first read-through of Robin's article.
At this point, I can only chalk up your incomprehension of Robin's explanation as, you're either Drunk, or you're now too emotionally invested in this to save face and back out out gracefully by apologizing.

At this point, you're in a hole so deep, and refuse to see it, that if someone threw you a ladder, you'd start digging with it.

sunshinenbrick wrote: Thanks :D Yeah I really hope that dialogues between parties can be kept open so that they can mutually benefit each other. I know that sounds a bit soppy but I suppose (more movie taglines coming up) we do need to have some hope here... not easy I know but its that or dispair!

Psijonica wrote: Well reaper for one I'm female but in the world we live in everything is fairly androgynous eh?

i am not being stubborn, I am standing up for what I believe in. There is a difference. Dark0ne benefits from Pay-for-Mods. Either way it doesn't hurt him. Right now we are downloading every mod we can because I know that all the mods for Oblivion will soon be pay- for -mod, all the Morrowind mods will be Pay-for-mod...


THIS USED TO BE FREE AND FUN!!!! It will never be fun again, it will just become an expense. Now all these modders are going to cry about SOPA??? hahahaha You deserve SOPA now!

monkeyweather wrote: Thanks for keeping this whole thing civil to the best of your abilities, and for keeping everyone in the loop as much as you can.

SchwererGustav wrote: well i helped people to get their modded skyrim to run for 2 month in the forum after that i thought i payed back what i downloaded here.

and this is the only website i had my addblocker off, too(you know how every other site makes money).

I'm not rich and Psijonica isn't eather i guess so we take that little fun we have left in our lives,
freedom, creativity and helping other people thats what i thought was this side about, but now they sell out and take that last piece of choice that makes us burst out in anger.. can't you people understand this?

This deal will mark the beginning of the end off modding, the last bastion of freedom that was left...

Pestilenz wrote: Yeah the community paid for the servers, by either choosing to get premium either because they had money to spare, wanted to help or wanted the extra features or by "gob beware" using the site and downloading mods, I feel so abused shame one you Dark0ne.

sunshinenbrick wrote: I totally understand what you mean by paying for things through other means than money (creativity, support, non-financial contribution) however I do hope that sometimes it is best to take down things you don't agree with from within. This is to say that although I cannot speak for the site owner nor do I know, or ever talked to him, but he has stated his position and we should try give him some benefit of the doubt because there are things that can be safeguarded against.

Suppose time will tell but it is somewhat comforting to know that the players at hand here do see the value of the community here. Admittedly it might be money orientated, however we can have the chance to show them there is more to modding than that. Then maybe they will see that suffocating all aspects of the free community will stifle creativity. I hope. And we can start by using donation systems. But that's money I hear you say??? Yes but it is important HOW you give money and WHO you give it to.

HadToRegister wrote:

Psijonica
Well reaper for one I'm female but in the world we live in everything is fairly androgynous eh?

I'm glad that you and your wife, and two kids, and your paid for house are happy.

Psijonica
Dark0ne benefits from Pay-for-Mods

HE ONLY BENEFITS.......ONLY, if someone CHECKS THE BOX that says "Send 5% of the earning for this mod to the Nexus", there are also checkboxes to send 5% to the makers of NifSKope and Blender as well.
Why aren't you complaining about those two things possibly getting 5% whenever someone checks the box for them to receive 5% of the income?

If a modder DOESN'T check that box for The NEXUS, or NifSkope etc then the Nexus and NifSkope etc get NOTHING, ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH, NADA, NOTHING, is sent to the Nexus, NOTHING....
Do you UNDERSTAND IT YET?

The Nexus isn't getting a cut of any mods being sold on SteamWorks UNLESS THE MOD AUTHOR CHECKS THE BOX to let the Nexus have 5% of the sales as a "Thank You"

Psijonica
THIS USED TO BE FREE AND FUN!!!! It will never be fun again, it will just become an expense.

It's still "Free and Fun" (especially for YOU Ms. "Free Nexus Account" ), however, you're directing your anger at the wrong person

Tanniss wrote: actually he is getting money from the community unless he is independantly wealthy or paying his creditors with air he gets his money from ad's that we help support by not having ad block on and by the memberships that people pay for as well as donations from the community

Tanniss wrote: which can and will be used later on down the road to take away any credibility on darkones part if he decides to stop fence sitting and pick the side of being afraid free modding is going to disappear by saying hey why you bitching now when you had no problem taking donations from our (valves ) cut instead of the modders giving a cut to nexus for this site being such a great place to find tools and free mods

I am surprised that no one sees this because its buying him even if he or us dont think so because at the end of the day if you take money from those who are trying to take and run a monopoly no matter the small % given you are still silently supporting the endeavor they are trying to force down everyone elses throat

and mind you im not being a troll nor am i stupid and if some feel the need to toss insults towards me so be it bottom line is when you take money for something that you think is more than likely going to be inherently wrong that makes your arguments a little less weighty

Psijonica wrote: HadToRegister

Yes my wife and I are very happy. It is well known that I am a lesbian. I have never hid from that here or anywhere. Do you have something against the gay and lesbian community?

You keep on trying to goat me with your pathetic attempts in arguing with me but I have been ignoring you. You are a troll and your continued attempts into drawing me into a flame war will fail.

You failed :)

Reaper0021 wrote: See you made a good point and did it in such a way that doesn't speak of "Conspiracy Theories" running rampant. No your not stupid at all and you do make good points. The 'other' person on this thread is on an obvious witch hunt. Big difference. I shouldn't have to point that out to you.

Psijonica wrote: Thanks monkeyweather, it has not been easy to keep things civil especially when the owner of the site comes and trolls my post effectively giving permission for everybody else to do the same. Shame on him for that.

I read all his posts and his reddits and although he tries to pretend to pin Gabe down on the DRM issue he himself doesn't even make public his own position on Pay-for-Mods.

This is why I don't trust him. I deal with politicians for a living, I am well tuned to the BS station.

Reaper0021 wrote: NOBODY cares you are a Lesbian with a chip on her shoulder. Nobody cares about your sexual orientation. Period. None of us. Nobody has said anything except, after you felt the need to back-up your arguments with telling us how you own a home and your kids are responsible and your married and whatnot, all anybody has said was "Good for you and hope your happy. And my religious beliefs fly contrary to your chosen lifestyle...but do you hear me saying anything? No. Good. Nobody is going to be baited into a "Gay and Lesbian" tirade debate with you so you have yet even MORE to gripe about along with what you're already doing.

phantompally76 wrote: you're, not your.

Reaper0021 wrote: you're, not your.


It's late and i don't care. The point is made but ty anyway.

Kusumura wrote:

I don't think Psijonica "looks stupid" at all, Dark0ne.

Quite the opposite, actually.

And I also think that YOU are coming out of this looking dishonest, petty, unapologetic, and at the risk of upsetting you (which is not my intention), just a little sociopathic.

You can't shrug or laugh this off. This is a MUCH bigger deal than you're trying to make it out to be, and just because you refuse to admit there is a problem with your lack of disclosure and transparancy....that doesn't make the problem go away.

And like it or not, a LOT of people have a problem with this.
- From phantompally76

Oh, God. Please, let's not have this become #skyrimgate2015...

EDIT: Fixed up the quote.

HadToRegister wrote:

Psijonica
Yes my wife and I are very happy. It is well known that I am a lesbian. I have never hid from that here or anywhere. Do you have something against the gay and lesbian community?

No problem at all, I have gay and lesbian friends, and, as I said in my post.
[i'm glad that you and your wife, and two kids, and your paid for house are happy.]

Now, you've definitely got some MAJOR reading comprehension problems if you are somehow getting that I have a problem with the LGBT community with my comment.

At this point, I'll just chalk it up to you either have some type of reading comprehension problem, or are just belligerent and looking to fight about EVERYTHING.

Anyway, I'm completely fed up with you, because you aren't even participating in the discussion anymore, and instead are acting like a belligerent party-goer who has had a few too many drinks, and wants to try and turn EVERYTHING into a fight

Rullnick wrote: Your mistake is thinking that he can only be on ONE side of the issue, Either he's FOR paid mods or He's AGAINST them. When in reality he's neither, he's neutral because the paid mods aren't the deciding thing here.

He said he isn't a champion white-knight for free mods, and he said he isn't a money-hungry demon from hell. He just wants mods to be free and open when the mod creators want them to be. Why are you so goddamn narrow-sighted? If you read the post you would see you're exactly the kind of people he is talking about.

By the way, people disagreeing with you isn't "trolling". It's just you being unable to take f*#@ing criticism.

Reaper0021 wrote: I agree the whole "Lesbian" thing is this.....person just trying to bait us into a fight and make it look as if we have issues with her ilk. Don't be fooled into any type of debate. I'm going to go play some Attila at any rate online, so peace to you all. I'm done with this nightmare of a woman and her continued inability to basically 'comprehend' that which has been made clear time and time again.

RaskorGaming wrote: "Endorsements given: 279"

Oh, really?

iloveyoupurples wrote: Everyone has an opinion, here's mine. I agree with you about half way. The mod users, get the fair deal. We get free mods. We have a place to get them, a place to install them. A place to discuss it. I take issue on behalf of the authors. Nexus is a business. Nexus is owned by a person. Said person makes a nice bloated salary. Such is business. As a consumer I'm getting the best deal period. Free mods. We come here to get mods. We view adds. We pay for premium accounts so it doesn't take 30 years to download a mod. No big deal. These mod authors make mods. Robin makes a tidy profit because we come to get them. Mod authors are given nothing. Robin pays for xyz. Cool. Robin makes a bloated profit from the investment. Mod authors get nothing. We don't come to view the adds. Or add to his cooperate portfolio. We come for mods. He gets paid because of it. Mod authors get nothing. Blah blah blah he pays xyz. Cool. Is it suddenly non profit? I had no issue knowing all this before valve decided to sell mods off the backs of their authors. I take issue now because it's hypocritical for him to say anything considering we come here for free mods WHILE MOD AUTHORS GET NOTHING. Then raise the banner of MODZFREEFROEVARRRR etc. If I were you I'd have kept my mouth shut on my opinion. It's hypocritical. You profit off the mod authors just like valve is trying to. So I agree with Psijonica to a degree. Yeah, you made a good business decision making a website and shored up a tidy residual sum for yourself. Problem I have is you wave a flag as if you're non profit. Mod authors are getting shafted. Period. I wish I could afford to donate to every mod I use, sadly I can't. Still From now on, when I have an extra dollar on my meager salary I'm buying a good author a coffee. Sorry authors I should have decided to donate sooner.

Psijonica wrote:
75 mods have been hidden on the Nexus because the mod makers are scared that people are going to steal their assets, some people are talking about taking down any tips they've given out because people are going to steal them to make a profit. We're already seeing the lose part of the paywall when the community closed down and people are too paranoid to share their resources. We've already seen assets being stolen, lazy and unfinished mods being sold and one person putting out a free version with an annoying pop up.

The shadowscale armor is one item, clips with numerous races, you have to use the console to get it.
Chesko and Isoku used assets they had no right to use when they sold their mods and are now getting DMCA'd
Midas Magic put a annoying pop-up on the free version for a paid version that isn't anymore polished or improved.

Right now, literally this thread, is a example of the community getting split and damaged. Everyone is losing besides Valve and Bethesda, no one in this thread is winning under the current model.

@ HadToRegister
if you continue to pester me I will just have to report you. I am not even talking to you or even paying attention to what you are writing. Please leave me alone.

@ Reaper0021
i am not sure what your problem is. One post you are saying I am smart and the next you are accusing me of trying to bait you into an argument. Take it easy, you seem to be losing control of your self. if you are actually getting upset then the problem lies between your own ears. You posted that you were and adult in your 40's? No way. People in their 40's don't act like this. At this point you give me reason to ask that you please, please just leave me be. Ty.

No Endorsements, No Permissions, No Donations. 100% free mods 4-ever.

"The spirit of modding is sharing. In order to grow in quality rather than in quantity, modding has to be a labour of love, not a labour for money." - Emma

Reaper0021 wrote: iloveyoupurples now this is how you make a point. This post right here.

Reaper0021 wrote: In your past posts....you have been great. I said that and asked you "Why" you're all over the place right now/tonight? DON'T try to blame me for your woes or act as if I'm doing you harm. You've done that all on your own tonight. You deliberately played your "Lesbian" card in such a manner as to warrant caution cause you seem to be looking for a fight. You deliberately attempted to bait HadToRegister into a "do you have something against Lesbian/Gay's" argument. All here can see it and all here have said as much (about how you've maybe bee ndrinking tonight cause you say one thing then contradict yourself saying another without ANY thought of what you're saying".

Psijonica wrote: Ya so what. Leave me alone. I was just giving him a little taste of his own medicine.

What does that have to do with you? Right! Nothing. Now go pester someone else. You want to pay for mods, go ahead. I don't care about you. You are not even a modder. I have released mods, only one here but I have mods on other forums. so I am asking you politely...; if you are the adult that you claim then please respect my wishes and stop already. I am not talking to you any more. If you are the adult you claim to be then please act like it now.

Reaper0021 wrote: Yep far more of it than you. Sure it's stopped no sweat lay off of myself and HadToRegister. For GOOD.

Psijonica wrote: @ iloveyoupurples

You see, that is how this whole issue started. Donations is the problem. Once Bethesda saw that people were making many off of their product that had no choice but to protect themselves.

They gave us the CS (construction set) for free and allowed and trusted us to mod as a hobby. But we abused that trust and turned it into a business. And so now Big Daddy Bethesda is coming and punishing us by saying , "you want to sell your mods, fine. But now we control everything and we want our cut."

Greedy modders. You deserve this. I hope they steal your mods and take everything. Because of this the entire community spirit has be poisoned.

No Endorsements, No Permissions, No Donations. 100% free mods 4-ever.

"The spirit of modding is sharing. In order to grow in quality rather than in quantity, modding has to be a labour of love, not a labour for money." - Emma

hector530 wrote: you keep trying VERY hard to play the victim. "Dark0ne is trolling me!!!!" "im being bullied"

"i am not being stubborn, I am standing up for what I believe in."

yes you are, you will believe what you believe in no matter what is said and shown against it. the true beauty of a conspiracy theorist is that proof against the conspiracy is only proof of a conspiracy.

Wolvenlight wrote: @Psijonica

To be honest, I was never for the Grey Manes or the Battle Borns. I was never for the Imperials or the Stormcloaks. If Skyrim taught me anything, it's that people who tell you that you absolutely have to pick a side are wrong, and will bore you to death. In that order.

So when Dark0ne says he's neutral, I believe him. I've read his posts, he's never come out against pay4mods, he's only expressed concern about potential issues that could arise from them. He is not taking any modders cuts, and he's not forcing anyone to pay for him, he's merely opted into a voluntary system to help improve the site. If such a time comes when he decides to start charging for access to this site, or allowing mods to make their mods pay for only, then you will have evidence for your claims.

Claims you have made a lot of. You say he wants to be a champion for free mods, but he never claimed that. You state he's angry he didn't get a bigger cut of Valve's profits, but you have no evidence for this claim. You claim he is a troll merely because he pointed out an illogical inconsistency in your argument (in a minor, kind of sort of rude way, which I get and see it as the mistake it was, if only because you'd continue bringing it up.) You claim other people are trolling you when they merely disagree with you. You claim to have fought for this site and free modding, yet you aren't a contributor (neither am I, but I understand this place wouldn't be here without them.) You even claim to be standing up for what you believe in.

There is a difference between standing up for your beliefs and flinging accusations about without proper evidence. You want to question his motives? That's fine, I question the funds of scientific studies all the time, but I always read the study, take in the evidence, and mull it over to see if their are any actual flaws before accusing the study of being a shill for a corporate interest. Forgive me for saying so, but you sound like a religious doomsayer the way you talk. Or like you're a conservative who really hates anything to do with democrats.

If you apply the same argument to yourself as you have to others, then you have called people debating actual points with you "pathetic," just like the guy who "called you stupid." There is nothing troll about people merely disagreeing with you in the same tone you have disagreed with others. If you want to be taken seriously, then debate facts in a clear, respectful manner. If not, have fun with your free nexus account.

While it lasts. Or something.

x9fallen wrote: "This used to be free and fun". And what contributions have you made to the modding community?

Also, it was never free. Hosting files and allowing traffic to and from has a very real cost associated with it. If you don't like the price you have to pay (seeing an ad or two or seeing an option to go premium), don't pay it. See if you can find a community that allows file hosting/download with no cost that you can contribute nothing to. There isn't one. Which is why you'll stay here and continue to whine.

You've offered nothing of substance to the discussion. Your main complaints are that, although facts have been laid out, the author is still trying to deceive the community. You've also inferred the author has called you stupid twice, which is objectively false.

Reaper0021 wrote: Kudos given to Hector, Wolvenlight and x9fallen.

WightMage wrote: I'm totally quoting you on that. xP

<3 happy to help. I have always seen that as the glaring elephant in the room.

[mattwoodmansee]

I'm wondering how the SKSE team are going to get their cut?

[guiaugu132]

Want to know why people are angry?

 

1- There are mods that fix the game, and free them of problems with bugs and improve on a technical level to be able to be playable without problems. An unofficial patch , imagine if you had to pay just to make your game work right? Imagine if a game was released today, you would have to pay just to fix the game and play it right, because the developer is too lazy to do it.

 

2- There are mods that do not work with other mods, and no one knows if it does work or not if you don't attempt to use it, or if you already have a mod and buy another, it may be that the mod you bought does not work with each other, and the only way to know is trying, or waiting for someone to try first to receive feedback on such mod compatibility. Also the fact that several mods only work on version (x) of a game, so if the developer release an update, the mod can not catch, which can make the mod useless.

 

3- Now you can pay for mods, many people won't make mods because they like that, but to make money. A community that has always worked in a good way since its inception will turn into a big deal because a lot of people will just want to make money.

 

4- Mods that once were free, will now have to be paid. A lof of mods have been deleted from Nexus , or have not been updated, they do not want people to download for free when when you have the option to pay for them.

 

5- This is not good for modders because they will only receive 25% of the profit from each sale of your mod, the rest is with Valve and owner of the game. Not only that, but for the modder see the color of money, the mod (or mods) needs to raise at least $ 400, so for a lot of mods, the modder will not get paid soon.

 

6- You have people stealing other people's mods to be able to sell Steam. The guy did not do the mod, but he downloaded from a website that distributes free mods, to be able to sell Steam and make money on other people work. And the only way to get this guy is knowing what is the mod in question, because Valve makes sure to not make a 'Quality Check' in the mods, they simply accept and ready, Valve earn money with it.They will only take the mod down if someone reports them to be stolen, or being offensive.

 

7- We have no guarantees that the modder will continue updating the mod.

 

8- Valve wants to cash in on a healthy community made by gamers for gamers, which since its inception aimed to create and share content with other gamers. It's like getting, for example, a nursing home, where several people volunteer to help the old people for free, and start charging the old for the services of volunteers, and give just a little bit of the amount received for volunteers. And these volunteers will begin to help the old people just for the money, not because it is a good deed.

 

This is bad, I'm starting to like less and less Valve, nowadays it only cares about money, money, money. Good for modders my ass, if they really were interested to encourage modders as money, they would not give a measly 25% of their mods, and not expect to get to a certain amount to be able to pay the guy who did the mod.

 

The right is to place a donation button, whoever want to donate just do it, there are many modder who made good money by donations, and they never thought about doing mods for the money, but because it's what they like and why they want to share their work with each other. But of course, if you only had a donation option, who would get most of the profit would be the modder, not Valve and Valve/Bethesda does not want it.

 

And do not come with the excuse 'but you are not obliged to buy', the same thing was said about DLC, and now almost all AAA released comes with little content, for later 'complete' the game with DLCs that are expensive.

[Zoophilian]

Iam not a modder by far, I only discovered my love for mods back around the time of Morrowind and Baldurs gate and have been in love and amazed with what modders can do ever since. I can see both sides of the arguement. But all the same i think it would be a shame, a true crime against the modders of not just the nexus all around the net if Valve muscles its way in. I can understand Modders making money off their mods, Some are more than amazing, New items, New realms, worlds, Weather effects, Complete conversions, Enhancing scripts and every aspect of the games we love.

 

Dear Nexus Admins! I know its far to early to pick a side or even take a stand against the comming tide, But I do hope you remain, I hope modders will continue to post here no matter what the outcome or fallout is. Maybe allow modders to take Donations, via paypal or something thru the nexus, Not anything forced, Allow a choice, I think some of the modders are just amazingly skilled, Skilled to the point they could be making their own games, Yet they ask for nothing, They edit and tweak our games and ask nothing in turn.

 

The Nexus should remain free, But maybe Modders should start takign donations or even open patreon and still post here on the Nexus. But I digress. As the Nexus admin said in that first post, Its to early to pick a side. And this is my two cents. Thank you.

 

>_< Long live The Nexus!

My home since Morrowind.

[phantompally76]

In response to post #24661349.

mattwoodmansee wrote:

They're on record saying they don't really care, and probably couldn't legally pursue that.

Source: www.google.com, you can do the rest.