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Oh I am pretty sure that Valve and Bethesda will do it again once they have a better more fleshed out system it isn't the end of anything. It's just a postponement. Regardless I believe both sides over reacted and pointed fingers unnecessarily because they didn't see through the manipulation that was put on by Valve and Bethesda at first as they tried to tear the community apart.
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I have to say I agree with everything you've just said FavoredSoul.

I've always modded in the past for myself. I made mods I wanted for me and then shared them for free on the Nexus out of pure charity. Yes, I made the mods for selfish reasons but giving them away for free was just me being nice. I’ve even gone a step further with such charity on multiple occasions by catering those mods I gave away to fit the desires of the community. I don’t even use some of the body types I’ve converted my mods to work with but someone asked me to do it and I did.

What do we get for being nice? Nothing because nothing was expected as it was entirely an act of charity. We asked for nothing and with the exception of a simple thank you here and there, we got nothing in return. Though for all that charity that we offered and all that free stuff we just gave away, it was not without consequence. We built up and unknowingly supported the mentality that mod developers don't deserve anything and that all mods should be free. This was of course not our intent but that's what we did by releasing our mods out of charity. We are partially to blame for creating this mentality.

Since last night, I have taken the time to really consider the events that have transpired over this past week. While I had not received any money from paid mods, eventually I would have because my work would have sold, of that I am certain. My free mods would have remained free and I had planned to also release a mod for free ever so often simply out of charity for those who could not afford my paid mods. Also because doing so would help keep the quality of my work well known. Such an act would have been like a trend and I can be fairly certain other authors that offered paid content would have taken to such a practice.

I’ve come to the conclusion that the anti-paid mod community just took money out of my pocket. That is how I see it and that is exactly what they did. For all my charity, this was the thanks that we modders have received. We had an opportunity to earn money doing something that we love to do but because we were so charitable in the past… the opportunity was ripped from our grasp. Gee, thanks a lot guys and gals... real uncool.

My free mods would have always remained free and I would have continued to throw a few more free mods out there from time to time. Now none of my mods are available, not even my free ones. Such charity caused me to lose an opportunity that would have been a ‘dream come true.’

Now it’s not the last you’ve seen of ol’ Nightasy. I’ll still make tutorials and teach people how to make mods. I’ll still continue to answer mod related questions but I won’t be one to give mine away. Not anymore, not after this. You can call it whatever you want but I call it being made aware.
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No, and a modders creation staying on someone else's hard drive doesn't change the fact that they created it. False attribution of credit for personal gain is another issue and has always been a problem in any field where creativity is involved or, for that matter; the average office. It is an issue that Valve seems to have failed to consider or adequately address.
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Paywall,

 

Really the issue should have been the legality of mods that use content created with outside applications that have explicit legal documentation on the rights of the end-user ie the mod author.

 

The documentation for just about every piece of software I've ever used denies the right to profit off of the works created via its software platform.

 

This is dangerous territory for big companies to just gloss over and most of the community has basically flat out ignored the issue of this.

 

Its appalling.

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I also wanted to give a shout out to some of our community's contributors. Folks who have given us mods that have become essential, and which make Vanilla Skyrim actually playable:

Arthmoor and everyone on the Unofficial Skyrim patch team. These folks fixed countless bugs in Vanilla Skyrim, doing Bethesda's job for them.

Arthmoor again for all of his other professional quality mods he has given to us that are so essential, if they were to disappear, would make Skyrim unplayable for me and many others.

T3nd0 the author of Perkus Maximus and Skyre, and all the folks who helped him create two great vanilla overhaul mods that add countless hours of fresh playtime to Skyrim.

Caliente and his retexture mods that make the females, umm, more appealing :)

Nebula1 and their retexture mods to help Vanuilla Skyrim look less like Minecraft.

Fore and his utility that allows modders to add movements to NPCs, making the game more realistic.

XP32 and his skeleton mods that allow modders to do more things with their characters, and wear more types of clothing.

Dimon99, like Caliente, provided mods that make the Vanilla females of Skyrim more appealing.

Vurt's Skryim flora overhaul. Another mods that helps Vanilla skyrim look less like Minecraft, or something written on a Commodore 64 in 1982.

AlexanderJVelicky for Falskaar; an unofficial Skyrim expansion he gave to the community for free, which in my opinion is heads above the DLC garbage Bethesda made us pay for.

Skyrim Tuner for his great visual settings mods that utilize the ENB engine.

Kristakahashi and their team for interesting NPCs; a mod that does what its' name implies--adds interesting NPCs to the game. A ton of work went into this mod, and countless hours of volunteers helping with voicework and scripts etc. Some of it is studio quality. Nobody got paid a cent.

EnaiSiaion and everyone who helped them with Apocalypse--a Skyrim spell overhaul mod that fixed Vanilla Skyrim's magic system to something actually worth using.

Mike Honcho and his team for Helgan Reborn. Another expansion mod that adds many hours of fresh playtime to Skyrim.

Brehanin2 for Better Vampires, a vampire overhaul mod that makes playing a vampire actually enjoyable.

Lojack and his team for Wyre Bash. An essential tool that has helped a countless number of people get their mods up and running and troubleshoot problems. Without this tool a lot of people would have given up in frustration, and quit Skyrim.

Emma for Vilja in Skyrim. She has been modding for a long time, and this is one of the best follower mods out there.

Prod80 for Climates of Tamriel: a weather overhaul mod that makes Vanilla Skyrim look less like a cloudy day in San Francisco every hour of every day, to something more dynamic where the weather actually changes.

InsansitySorrow for his weapon and armor overhaul mods.

Asianboy345 for Terra Armors: one of the first armor overhaul mods I used in Skyrim.

Smartbluecat for Inigo: one of the best follower mods I have ever seen in any TES game.

BorisVorontsov for ENB, and his utilities that fix the bugs in vanilla Skyrim, and make it more stable.

Ranaline for RS children overhaul. An essential mod that makes all the children NOT look like they are the offspring of Mr. Potato head.

Arthmoor again for Open cities. A mod that takes away the annoying load screen when moving into a city. This dude is a prolific modder. Please donate to him.

bronze316 for his great ENB settings.

Apollodown for his combat overhauls; mods that are essential for more realistic NPC behavior.

Missjennabee for Expanded Towns and Cities. She has made the cities be more like what they should have been on release. Essential mod.

Spwned for Moonlight Tales; a werewolf overhaul mod that makes playing a werewolf more than just a footnote in the Vanilla game.

Duggelz for Left Hand Rings: sometimes even the "simplest" of mods are essential.

Kryptopyr for Complete Crafting Overhaul. A mod that makes the crafting system more useful and entertaining.

CaBaL120 for all of his texture overhaul mods. Essential for helping Vanilla Skyrim look good.

83Willow for bugs and butterfly mod. This isn't an essential mod until you actually start using it. Then you can't play without it.

Ogerboss and his team for Requiem: the Roleplaying overhaul. They put countless number of hours into this mod, and it turns Skyrim into a completely new game.

Xenius for their texture replacer mods, essential for realistic NPCs.

Soolie for Real Clouds. Name says it all.

Anka01 for her well-done female armor retexture/replacer mods. Women look less like Slick Grace, and more feminine thanks to her.

Seren4XX for the Ninghelm race.

Grantyboy050 for Immersive College of Winterhold

Laast for Pure Weather

Warburg for his map overhauls

Leviathan1753 for SUM; a Skyrim utility that makes getting your game up and running so much easier.

Leviathan1753 for Automatic Variants; an overhaul mod that, after you try it, you can't play without it.

ZZjay for, well, everything. Another prolific modder that you should donate to right this second :)

Brokefoot for his armor and weapon mods

And to:

FavoredSoul
Daofu
Tktk1
Horrorview
Narmix
mystikhybrid
Kasprutz
seifer69er
Yuril
Locaster
skyrimaguas
FlahoShi
lordkoz

...and everyone else I didn't have time to mention, but have generously donated their work to the community for us all to enjoy with no expectation other than we pay-it-forward. If you use any of the above author's mods, and find them essential to your game, please consider donating.
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There are allot of very strong emotions going around right now and I think what we as a community need to work on most of all is tolerance and respect for each others work and opinion, as long as that in turn is given respectfully!

 

As long as the modding community was not pushed toward an either free or paid by the industry but left it up to the community, I saw absolutely no problem with either.

Personally I was not about to charge money for mods I had up for free for years, but I was considering charging something for new ones in future, but in the end decided against it.

I have no problem respecting someone deciding they should be compensated for their time and effort and I also respect the strong notion that this is contrary to the modding spirit.

There is no reason both models could not have coexisted. A sense of entitlement for getting paid or getting stuff for free are both utterly counterproductive and not in the spirit of modding.

 

No one, absolutely no one has any ethical right to vilify someone else for their decision to go either route and to ridicule their opinion.

If you don't like what someone has created or how they present it just move on.

 

Those who would leave the community over this I would ask to reconsider.

Like in most cases the largest part of the community that appreciates your efforts is the vast though quiet majority; the loud mouth brainless comments by a few should not be mistaken to represent what this modding community stands for. I hope we can keep every talent around, be more open minded and be more civil in how we treat each other.

 

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I play a very heavily modded skyrim, and yea, most of those mods are of the cosmetic variety... but if this whole business has taught me anything it is that we, the people who USE the mods, need to step up and start showing our support for the modders who spend so much time making our games worth playing years after the last DLC gets released. I know I am running at least 10 mods that I would ABSOLUTELY pay for, and I plan on donating to the creators of said mods from this point forward.

The real issue here is that most people like free stuff... But their is a difference between *liking free stuff, and feeling like you are *entitled to free stuff, and OMG those that feel entitled sure do whine a lot!

I think that pay-for mods should actually be a thing... I just think that in this instance, it was bungled badly, and the modders are catching rather undeserved s#*! for it. I also think that a lot of people are being utterly selfish about this, and should feel absolutely ashamed for the way they have been treating you guys.

Anyways... Here's to better days. Hopefully more people will come up off their wallets, and give you modders the support you truly do deserve.
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That's a good point, one which I'm sure Valve and Bethesda offered no advice on to mod authors participating in the program. Those mod authors using student versions of these programs could have been sued for profiting from those programs. Which I'm sure not one of them thought about at the time.
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