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The thing is - mod makers (typically) make mods because
1) they themselves love the game, and
2) they love the idea of sharing cool stuff they make for the game with other people.

I say this as an ex-modder myself (for other games, not Skyrim). The sites I uploaded my mods to didn't have an endorse / thanks button at all - and guess what? I never got bothered thinking about whether people were thankful for my mods.

At all.

Seriously.

If you're a modder who DOES MODDING BECAUSE YOU LOVE THE GAME, just carry on. Who cares about a number that says how many people endorse or thank you for your mod? It's just that - a stupid number. Please don't get upset because of this number or the lack of it; there are waaaaay more worthwhile things in life that you could get upset over.
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Heya Mannygt I think I have endorsed one of your mods or you one of mine.. both... Or just recognize your name. Anyway this one gets me....

"but the most of the users just download the mod without saying any f***ing word. "

A simple "Thanks for uploading" is worth a $5. A "Thanks." is worth $2.50. A "Thanks." with a paragraph describing what you liked is priceless. I just uploaded an Oblivion mod 2 days ago and not one comment and that depresses me. I feel as though the mod isn't quite bad enough to get hate and not good enough for a thanks. I want to know if you are happy with it just like any other modder. If a part of it doesn't get you then please tell me in a constructive way.

I am sure many other modder will agree to that.

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I don't agree that just because people ether choose not to or forget to endorse a mod that they have downloaded automaticly makes them ungreatful. There are a number of reasons why some one might not endorse a mod or even comment thank you.

Personally I have only given 66 endorsments on this site since i joined in 2011 but i am not ungreatful. In fact I am massively greatful to the people who spend countless hours creating mods for me to enjoy. The truth is i often forget to endorse mods unless they have really really impressed me. in those cases i will not only endorse i will vote for file of the month and possibley leave a comment.

I think it's nieve to just generalise that every one who downloads and dosn't endose or comment is inherantly ungreatful.
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  On 4/28/2015 at 11:14 AM, mljh11 said:

 

In response to post #24748294. #24748909, #24748959, #24749014, #24749054, #24749074, #24749089, #24749114, #24749169, #24749269, #24749289, #24749409, #24749439, #24749529, #24749564, #24749574, #24749674, #24749709, #24749814, #24749884, #24749889, #24749954, #24750114 are all replies on the same post.

 

 

 

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The thing is - mod makers (typically) make mods because

1) they themselves love the game, and

2) they love the idea of sharing cool stuff they make for the game with other people.

 

I say this as an ex-modder myself (for other games, not Skyrim). The sites I uploaded my mods to didn't have an endorse / thanks button at all - and guess what? I never got bothered thinking about whether people were thankful for my mods.

 

At all.

 

Seriously.

 

If you're a modder who DOES MODDING BECAUSE YOU LOVE THE GAME, just carry on. Who cares about a number that says how many people endorse or thank you for your mod? It's just that - a stupid number. Please don't get upset because of this number or the lack of it; there are waaaaay more worthwhile things in life that you could get upset over.

 

 

Seriously. Why are you guys acting like mods have never been sold before?

 

Mrs. PacMan was a mod for PacMan .

 

Team Fortress was a mod. Counter Strike was a mod. DoTA was a mod. DayZ was a mod. Day of Defeat was a mod.

 

There has never been a moral decision by modders of "I'm going to do all this painstaking work for free because I love the community." They'd never had the choice to be paid before due to legal reasons. The moment they were given a choice, the community turned their backs on the modders and acted like a bunch of entitled children.

You all literally threw a tantrum and took away the modders right to choose whether or not they wanted to be paid for their work...And if they wanted to be paid for their work, that doesn't make them a sellout. Plenty of people get jobs doing what they love to do. Just because they want to be paid to do it doesn't mean they're any less passionate about their craft.

 

Artists can get commissioned to draw fanart and nobody cries foul.

 

Coverbands get paid to play and nobody cries foul.

 

Fanfiction wrtiers can sell license derivatives of others work and nobody cries foul.

 

YouTubers make thousands of dollars off of video footage of them either reviewing someone elses mod, playing someone elses mod, or playing a game and nobody cries foul.

 

But modders get the option to ask people to pay them for their work and everybody acts like they just kicked your cat.

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Endorsement system should be gone anyway. It's completely useless.

What would you gain if Falskaar had 250K Endorsements instead of 60K? Nothing. It's just a number.

What we actually need is a review system. You can have 200 reviews and it seems like a really really small number compared to 60K Endorsement, but wouldn't it be better to have 98% approved rating with those reviews? Rather than having 200K mindless clicks because Nexus keeps forcing you to?
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Are you refering to the comments on the Steam workshop and on the userprofiles on Steam?

Looking at your own mods here on the nexus, there are page after page of really positive comments. I've only had a quick glance and not gone back to the very first post on each of them, but I didn't see a single hateful or troll post like you describe, so I'm just wondering where you're coming from with your post.

That being said, I'd like to thank you, FavoredSoul, for the remarkably good swords you've released here on the nexus, free and for everybody to use. Seeing the quality of them, I think it's sad that you stopped modding 6 months ago. I for one would love to see more of them, even if I haven't actually downloaded any of them yet. That's simply because I didn't know they existed.
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Glad this is all over(?) but I still get this infuriating feeling. Some people are actually saying that death threat (or any threat) is a form of criticism. Really? As far as I know, every criticism must appoint specific flaws of the point of critique and should be followed by solutions and/or constructive advices.

 

Harsh words are fine in criticism, but death threats and any other kind of threats should not be accounted for criticism in any kind. They are accounted for bullying.

 

Chesko had made a mistake, that's for sure, he is only human after all, but in the end he handled things professionally and has taken any mod that uses assets that weren't his down from the Steam Workshop, he even apologized and yet he still receive ludicrous amount of hate and threats from other people. That's why he left. Even the people from which their assets have been used handle things way better.

 

Things that I have said for Chesko are also applied to other modders as well.

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The sad truth is that there are many people on the internet that simply enjoy berating and threatening other people.

They don't care what happens to skyrim modding or to the nexus, they just saw a reason to attack someone and they took it.
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  On 4/28/2015 at 11:19 AM, Xenoshi said:

 

  On 4/28/2015 at 11:14 AM, mljh11 said:

 

In response to post #24748294. #24748909, #24748959, #24749014, #24749054, #24749074, #24749089, #24749114, #24749169, #24749269, #24749289, #24749409, #24749439, #24749529, #24749564, #24749574, #24749674, #24749709, #24749814, #24749884, #24749889, #24749954, #24750114 are all replies on the same post.

 

 

 

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The thing is - mod makers (typically) make mods because

1) they themselves love the game, and

2) they love the idea of sharing cool stuff they make for the game with other people.

 

I say this as an ex-modder myself (for other games, not Skyrim). The sites I uploaded my mods to didn't have an endorse / thanks button at all - and guess what? I never got bothered thinking about whether people were thankful for my mods.

 

At all.

 

Seriously.

 

If you're a modder who DOES MODDING BECAUSE YOU LOVE THE GAME, just carry on. Who cares about a number that says how many people endorse or thank you for your mod? It's just that - a stupid number. Please don't get upset because of this number or the lack of it; there are waaaaay more worthwhile things in life that you could get upset over.

 

 

Seriously. Why are you guys acting like mods have never been sold before?

 

Mrs. PacMan was a mod for PacMan .

 

Team Fortress was a mod. Counter Strike was a mod. DoTA was a mod. DayZ was a mod. Day of Defeat was a mod.

 

There has never been a moral decision by modders of "I'm going to do all this painstaking work for free because I love the community." They'd never had the choice to be paid before due to legal reasons. The moment they were given a choice, the community turned their backs on the modders and acted like a bunch of entitled children.

You all literally threw a tantrum and took away the modders right to choose whether or not they wanted to be paid for their work...And if they wanted to be paid for their work, that doesn't make them a sellout. Plenty of people get jobs doing what they love to do. Just because they want to be paid to do it doesn't mean they're any less passionate about their craft.

 

Artists can get commissioned to draw fanart and nobody cries foul.

 

Coverbands get paid to play and nobody cries foul.

 

Fanfiction wrtiers can sell license derivatives of others work and nobody cries foul.

 

YouTubers make thousands of dollars off of video footage of them either reviewing someone elses mod, playing someone elses mod, or playing a game and nobody cries foul.

 

But modders get the option to ask people to pay them for their work and everybody acts like they just kicked your cat.

 

Who are you referring to when you said "you guys"?

 

Sorry, I think you must have me mixed up with the people who fundamentally oppose paid mods.

 

I suggest you read what I wrote again, and try to see that I only talked about the endorsement system.

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