Steam and Bethesda remove paid modding from Skyrim Workshop

[trainwiz]

Yay!

[Ventry]

"copy from previous thread"

 

To mod authors.

I have never laid any blame at your feet.

However for those who jumped on this in the beginning, let this be a lesson.

Learn from it.

If Bethesda and Valve try this again... Like with FO4 or ES VI DON'T support it.

 

Remember the damage that's been done in the last couple of days.

[phantompally76]

In response to post #24732344. #24732604, #24732704, #24732709, #24732774, #24732869, #24732879, #24733044, #24733464 are all replies on the same post.

CelticPaladin wrote:

calfurius wrote: I know quite a few modders became disgusted with the way some members of the modding community treated them. I'm mostly concerned if Chesko is coming back or not, he didn't deserve anywhere near the level of hate that he got.

phantompally76 wrote: I hope that's not the case.

I do, however, hope that in future they think twice about arrogantly condescending mod users looking for assistance with their mods in comments sections, like they have in the past. I'd stopped using some of their mods before this crap ever started because of that.

Riprock wrote: Hopefully time will make him realize that words on the internet are just words. We put way too much stock in typed messages.

CelticPaladin wrote: The number of vitriol and death threats were insane. I couldn't blame them for leaving this community behind. It'd be depressing, but there you go.

meredithmiles wrote: What I don't understand is why Arthmoor, Chesko and Isoku don't already have job offers in hand. Seriously, they are all three hardworking, dedicated and skilled. If I ran a game company I'd have snatched them up ages ago.

This is a great time to donate to them, I think.

jfisha wrote: Each team only lost a handful of endorsements. Yes, there was some angry vitriol, but most people respectfully disagreed with what they did. No more, no less.

BarnabasCollins wrote: I don't even see why people were targeting the modders anyway. For me this was never even about the modders, but the future of modding itself. The modders are innocent.

oblivion104 wrote: I stayed away from the melodrama and only sign the petition,but what happened to chesko??

Also, what happened to the paid mods? Did they take it down?

heh, apt user name there.

Wait, there are mods for Skyrim??????

[sa547]

In response to post #24732589. #24732864, #24732894, #24733544 are all replies on the same post.

akkalat85 wrote:

WightMage wrote: .... But we can totes worry about that after a couple bottles of champagne. xD

akkalat85 wrote: Haha, certainly. One day at a time :)

Verstrahlt wrote: agreed, it's just a small success but doubts are sown by valve and bethy!

> everyone who stood together to shout down the paywall

This is very good imagery. Talos would have been proud. :lol:

[elr0y7]

Congrats everyone, we did it! And yeah, I do feel sorry for Bethesda in all of this, but I still love them!

[Saije]

In response to post #24732589. #24732864, #24732894, #24733544, #24733749 are all replies on the same post.

akkalat85 wrote:

WightMage wrote: .... But we can totes worry about that after a couple bottles of champagne. xD

akkalat85 wrote: Haha, certainly. One day at a time :)

Verstrahlt wrote: agreed, it's just a small success but doubts are sown by valve and bethy!

sa547 wrote: > everyone who stood together to shout down the paywall

This is very good imagery. Talos would have been proud. :lol:

It's definitely not over.

It'll be back... And my vitriol cannon is ready to fire at the pricks who try to usher it back in.


This shows precisely why you don't just say... "Ho humm, there is nothing we can do."

If that had been the reaction of the community at large... Paid modding would have been here to stay.

But instead we said... "f*#@ you and f*#@ this."

And lo and behold... Enough of us were pissed to actually get noticed.

[MonsterLunaChick]

Free Choice <3

And a lot wanted to put heads in the sand and just take it up tha a--.

"Ho Humm. Nothing we can do about it, I guess." Wrong. We the people ALWAYS can do something about it. We just had to fight! Congrats Freedom Fighters. We did it.

 

Is there any word that they (Valve/Beth) will make a new pay system that is actually fair?

[DarkWarrior90]

I am in shock :o we did it! WE ARE VICTORIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ventry]

In response to post #24732124. #24732174, #24732224, #24732264, #24732339, #24732529, #24732594, #24732694, #24732724, #24732769, #24732784, #24733104, #24733684 are all replies on the same post.

Salazanz wrote:

CelticPaladin wrote: Those "Greedy" modders are very unlikely to be back with their mods, and it's a damn shame.

JCDNWarrior wrote: I don't know if we could trust such modders anymore, though. We may also have to look out for spite updates from them for being caught between the two forces like this.

Having said that, I do hope they will return to the fold and redouble their modding efforts for the community.

phantompally76 wrote: It is. But others will take their place.

KoZAcK1021 wrote: Why? If they can't monetize it why not make it free?

calfurius wrote: Greedy modders? How is it greedy to sell what you work hard to make? Do you have a job? or have you ever sold a product that you made in your entire life?

Elta1 wrote: Too bad those "greedy modders" are some of the best modders.

akkalat85 wrote: They are part of our community. Remember, every one of them contributed to this scene over the years. If they come back we should welcome them with open arms. Every one of us is one less of them.

Dark0ne wrote: Most of those "greedy modders" you speak of kept all ther mods up on the Nexus, for free, through all this drama.

phantompally76 wrote: @calfurius, mods were never designed to be sold.

Refusing to pay for alterations to a product one has already purchased isn't greedy. It's common sense. No one forced mod authors to spend any amount of time on any mod. That's simply not how it works.

If mod authors want to make money, they need to stop farting around with video game data files and go get a job. We'll miss their creativity, but we'll get by.

JCDNWarrior wrote: Once you sell a mod, you're a professional developer. This opens the can of worms, the people that buy and play your DLC also would be vastly more strict and demanding, logically, and you would probably be breaking many rules on commercial use of software that only may be used non-commercially. With Steam having such little quality control (early access, greenlight, even a few normal old re-released games) this would've catched fire easily.


I'm glad we don't have to worry about these things for a while though, until they try it again.

RS13 wrote: Dude, you won. Be a gracious winner.

Those modders were no more greedy than those of us who said--loadly and often--that we didn't want to pay for mods. They wanted to make some money, we wanted to keep our money. While a mass migration to the paywalls of the workshop would have been a bad thing for the community, they didn't owe us anything. Let's not villify them just because we stood on opposite sides of this.

setsuna515 wrote: @Salazanz

Oh, don't put it that way. If I were in their shoes and got approached by Bethesda and Valve to make money from mods, I'd be on board too (especially if I had some serious talent). I mean, that's Bethesda, the official developer, giving you the opportunity to make mods for a living. That's like when YouTube offered ways for Let's Players to make a living from playing and recording games.

It's a dream come true, right? It's hard to turn that down when you think of it that way.

Anyway, it looks like our most high-profile mod authors that entered into the deal were probably just testing the waters. If they *really* wanted to put their content behind a paywall, they would have removed all old versions of their mods. But they *didn't*.

So, my guess is they were going to see how releasing a new version of their mod on Steam worked out. You know, could they make anything substantial from this? If so, could they release old versions to Nexus and just sell newest version on Steam (I know this was said to be Chesko's plan, but I never found confirmation on that). Unfortunately, it was, and still is, unclear as to whether that sort of plan would have been legally feasible.

@Salazanz

Stupid comment dude.

[Noortje]

In response to post #24732344. #24732604, #24732704, #24732709, #24732774, #24732869, #24732879, #24733044, #24733464, #24733739 are all replies on the same post.

CelticPaladin wrote:

calfurius wrote: I know quite a few modders became disgusted with the way some members of the modding community treated them. I'm mostly concerned if Chesko is coming back or not, he didn't deserve anywhere near the level of hate that he got.

phantompally76 wrote: I hope that's not the case.

I do, however, hope that in future they think twice about arrogantly condescending mod users looking for assistance with their mods in comments sections, like they have in the past. I'd stopped using some of their mods before this crap ever started because of that.

Riprock wrote: Hopefully time will make him realize that words on the internet are just words. We put way too much stock in typed messages.

CelticPaladin wrote: The number of vitriol and death threats were insane. I couldn't blame them for leaving this community behind. It'd be depressing, but there you go.

meredithmiles wrote: What I don't understand is why Arthmoor, Chesko and Isoku don't already have job offers in hand. Seriously, they are all three hardworking, dedicated and skilled. If I ran a game company I'd have snatched them up ages ago.

This is a great time to donate to them, I think.

jfisha wrote: Each team only lost a handful of endorsements. Yes, there was some angry vitriol, but most people respectfully disagreed with what they did. No more, no less.

BarnabasCollins wrote: I don't even see why people were targeting the modders anyway. For me this was never even about the modders, but the future of modding itself. The modders are innocent.

oblivion104 wrote: I stayed away from the melodrama and only sign the petition,but what happened to chesko??

Also, what happened to the paid mods? Did they take it down?

phantompally76 wrote: heh, apt user name there.

Wait, there are mods for Skyrim??????

They would never have updated skyui if it wasn't for the pay offer. I doubt they will finish skyui 5.0 and release it now, but it's not like it was ever going to be free in the first place.