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I feel your pain. I'm in retail...AKA hell. Edited by popcorn71
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Is the internet not a part of the free market?
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I'd have to agree. For people who so badly want to open up their product to a free market system, some of them seem incredibly thin skinned
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You do realize the issue of paid mods are so many? So you are saying that copycat mods deserve to get paid? Do you think mods that are clearly not official DLC's that could broke the game, without Bethesda's support, deserve to be paid? Do you even think buggy mods deserve to be paid?

Donation is the only way to provide the payment gratitude the modders deserve. That's the only creative motivation that he or she will need, for financial reason. You know that YouTube doesn't give you money out of nowhere, right?

If you care enough about the modders to be paid, why don't you give them the money they deserve, because I know not all of us are rich people who can just give people ten dollars on every mod we want to get? I guess you are then? We expect free mods so we get free mods, and you already know the downside of having a mod in the first place, bugs and conflict, and you want us to pay for that?

We won't complain about the paywall if there's no problem to mods in the first place. Why don't you at least THINK before spouting your naive nobility towards all of us. It's not as simple to contribute to modders as if we are rich men. It is Bethesda and Valve responsibility to actually give financial help to them in the first place, not us, and they even get the most cut instead of modders. You think that's fair?

For the love of god, if you want to help them so much, GIVE them money, more money because they deserve it. Are you capable enough to do that or you're just ordering us to do what you want us to do?: Pay them, pay them all. I don't, because I don't have the luxury of giving them monthly salary, they modders know what they are doing is not a job, its a hobby, no matter how hard the hobby is.

If they feel it isn't enough for financial benefits, go find a job, or better yet, go find a job at Bethesda. We don't want to pay for mods because we know the positive and negative of mods, some weights the other. Common sense that should be implemented in your brain before commenting this naivety.
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"if the governments of the world cant keep the internet free of piracy, torrents and child pornography what do u think u, the ppl at nexus and steam can do to stop trolls?"

I dunno, actually mod the site and start banning trolls?
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Thing is: Yes Mr Mod Author, your mod is in fact your property and you should be able to sell it if you want, but then again, what happens when your mod was made thanks to the colaboration, resources, and ideas from other people?, what happens when your mod requires some tool or some other mod to work or look as it should look?, would you, Mr Mod Author, sincerely share your money with that other people? and if you do so, how much do you think you'll get in the end? is really this pocket change worth the effort and the hate/sadness of those like me who live in countries that can't even use dollars for electronic transactions without having to donate a kidney or some other organ?.

 

When you guys made your first mod and share it, how many of you actually did it with the spectation of getting a few bucks out of it?.

 

Thanks for letting me share my opinion.

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In the future a modder could take the extra time for due diligences, and testing. Trying to sell anything other than a original finish product would be wrong. Paid mods would have to be held to a higher standard. You would be a fool not to. A truly broken mod, stolen mod or a poorly made mod, would not stand for long in a marketplace. I would never even download a free mod before checking that its came from a reputable author. Free mods could have stayed just where they are.

The market would set itself in time and in the end the users would set the price of the mods. Any smart modder would do well to find a fair asking price. If the price is to high the people wont buy.

Profit share could have been renegotiated later and this first offer was not as horrible as you think. If in the end the deal did not improve or heaven forbid got worse we were under no obligation to continue participating. No one was in any obligation to do anything. No one was forcing us to sell mods and no one was forcing you to buy them.

People focused on the negative aspects and refused to considered any positives. It was not perfect but it could have been ironed out. It was not perfect to begin with. Bethesda, Valve, Nexus, Youtubers, and Users were and still are all profiting from modding. At best we get a virtual pat on the back and maybe one of these mythical donation. Now the door has slammed shut as fast as it was opened. Bethesda was offering yet another olive branch to modders and our users smacked it out of their hand before most of us could decide if we wanted to reach out for it. Edited by UberSmaug
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Just sit back and wait for SOPA.
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"You're damn straight its a mod-user vs mod-author argument."

I'll keep reiterating this until I turn blue in the face. No, it is not. Why, you ask? Because there's some mod user's that agree with you, there's some that don't. There's some mod authors that agree with you, some that don't.

There are three sides to this argument.

People who think mods should always remain free (includes mod authors and mod users)

People who think mod authors should be allowed to make money (includes mod authors and mod users)

People who will pay for good mods, but think Valve just implemented a crappy system (includes mod authors and mod users)
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Just to get this out of the way: most of the fire I had about the whole paid modding thing was spent early on, and directed inward, not outward. I don't believe in attacking another over my own personal beliefs, nor do I agree with the sheer violence the Community inflicted upon those who chose to monetize their modding.

 

Where did I stand regarding paid mods? Personally, I didn't support it. However, as far as I went to deal with it was to make a post here on the Nexus (mostly giving my mention that gamers in general are tired of being nickel-and-dimed to death like the mobile gaming market) and to put my name in that petition that floated around. I signed that on Day One of this nightmare, never expecting it to get anywhere.

 

After 36 hours, most of my fire was spent, cooling from a volcanic inferno (and several dozen post windows closed rather than hitting Submit) to a mere campfire. I held my tongue because I knew venting at the mod authors would do no good. I stood firm with my beliefs, but I didn't lash out. I watched as mod users and mod authors tore each other apart, seeing the violence...

 

On both sides of the Civil War.

 

Funny that, actually. A game about dragons and a civil war, and a damned civil war starts in the Nexus. Mod users throwing violence and threats and cowering behind anonymity to strike with the foulest things I've read since I stuck my nose in some other sites. Mod authors either leading or returning the violence in kind.

 

So here's the question I kept running through my head endlessly: Would I monetize my work?

 

I kept coming up with "No." Not because of the cut, not because of the current explosion in the community, not even because of my honor to the Nexus. I came up with "No" because the moment I accept money, Modding for me goes from a hobby I can pick up and put back down on a whim, to a job where I have to watch closely for bug reports, ensure that I meet the demands of my customers, and put up with endless amounts of tech support from people breaking their own bloody game with too much crap.

 

As it stood, by 48 hours into this mess, that campfire still burning bright in my heart had started to dwindle to a handful of embers. I'd accepted this to be the new thing. I'd grown to accept it. I may not have liked it, nor fully agreed with it, but I wasn't going to fight it. I thought it was here to stay and I'd done my part on day one when my heart was full of lava and I was full of spit and vinegar.

 

Did I cheer when the announcement came up? No. Because for some people, I knew this was what they'd been waiting for. For some, I could see why they did it. For others, I could see the temptation. That they could do what they loved as a hobby and make some money from it.

 

Do I think paid modding is dead? No. Paid modding will make a return, but it will do it on a day-one basis and it will be fleshed out fully, not just an experiment. Will I buy mods? Probably not, but that's because I don't have a huge amount of cash to throw around. Do I support mod authors who choose to sell their mods? Yes, because if that's what you want to do, then who am I to stop you?

 

I signed the petition, fully believing it wouldn't work. I'm sure it didn't, it was the screams of the vocal minority slinging everything from hate speech to death threats, sending billions of emails to Valve and Bethesda.

 

To those who acted out violently: SHAME ON YOU! You all know who you are. You are the reason many mod authors are considering leaving the community. You are the reason many have left, and many won't return. You are the reason this got pulled, yes, but do not revel in your victory for it is not one. You didn't win. Sure, you got paid modding revoked, but you chased off many good mod authors.

 

To those who acted as they did, picture this:

 

Tomorrow, you log on to the Nexus and find SkyUI is gone. Frostfall is gone, along with Wet and Cold, Footprints, all ENB presets, all HD textures, all the quest mods, all body mods, Arthmoor's Alternate Start mod, and half of all the armor mods. Each is "hidden" with the message "Because of the hate we received from the community, we have left and taken our mods down, as the community no longer deserves them."

 

Will it still have been a victory? Undoubtedly, the sleaziest of you will upload your archived copies to unmentionable websites, and others will scream and whine and rage on the forums. But this is the victory you may have achieved. This is what you wanted, right? The mods that remain are still free.

 

To those who will admittedly bash on me because "you're not a mod author, quit talking out of your rear" I mention this: Just because one only has the one minor mod does not mean they haven't used the Creation Kit, or done many minor personal fixes, trying things out, making things they believe aren't release worthy. It doesn't mean they don't have an update nearly finished, just needing a few hours of play-testing to figure out the bugs. It doesn't mean they don't know what the bigger authors go through: I know. The Creation Kit is a buggy pile that crashes at the slighest odd look. It's difficult and tedious to learn, the tutorials tend to be full of arcane gibberish that you don't understand until months later when you look again and again and again trying to find something out. The fear of releasing something on the Nexus, even when requested by friends because the idea is cool to them, because you're not sure what the Community will think. Knowing the moment you put the mod up, someone will request something else and you'll have to pick the right way to respond.

 

For those who yanked their mods off of the Nexus and put them up on Steam, I have nothing to say for or against you. You did not deserve the hate you received.

 

To those who released their updates on Steam and left an old version up on the Nexus, I commend you. It is a brave thing to leave a free version while offering a paid one. Some of you had brilliant strategies.

 

To those who released a mod on Steam, I give you kudos for your bravery, and I tip my non-existant hat to you for putting up with the fecal matter you dealt with. If I had money, I would donate to you, but sadly, I do not.

 

To those who remained calm through this ordeal, waiting to see what came of it: Thank you.

 

To Valve and Bethesda, though I know you will not see this: Perhaps, next time, give us a week of warning? There's a lot of fire in the first few days of something bad, but with warning comes time to cool down, and then there's a lot of smouldering embers instead of infernos and volcanoes.

 

To the Nexus Staff: I honestly can't say anything other than "Thank you for keeping level heads through this whole mess." I can't begin to imagine the absolute crap-storm you guys have had to deal with, but I do know I'll have plenty of reading material in the bathroom. Yes, I read the "who's been banned" thread in there. Yes, I'm weird, I know.

 

To what remains of the Community: Perhaps a truce is in order? Let's try not to kill modding by driving off those who make the mods, please? On the flip side, try not to feed the trolls? Cool your tempers, shake hands, and treat this as a moment for us to become stronger. Communities can be like broken bones, that once broken and mended, become stronger than ever. They can also be like shattered glass, that can never be fully repaired. Let's take after the bone, shall we?

 

To the mod pirates: Shame on you and stick it up your nose. (And to the staff, I humbly apologize for my outburst, but I cannot stand piracy of any sort. In all fairness, I did temper my statement, were I able to get away with worse, I surely would have tried.)

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