strikerdes Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I requested a mod yesterday from the highly popular game dynasty warriors, it was a dress that the character uses, I'm guessing for a modder that can make a basic dress and can colour it and whatever, it would be pretty simple, yet know one replies, but it's not that, that bothers me..... What bothers me is that requests like "stripper heels" and other pornography files (files that are completely irrelevant to the game) are always looked at and worked on, my idea would have been perfect for a person who was playing as a woodland elf (female) and wanted that sort of healer/elven warrior look. I don't think it's just me that thinks it, but all this adult content seems to be at the top of everyone's agenda and I don't see why =/ as I said I don't want to start anything, just wanted to get my point across. thank you :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bben46 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 People mod what they are interested in, not what someone else wants. Most of the more advanced modders have more than they can handle already and are not looking for another project. If you learn to mod, you can make the kind of mods you are interested in. The stripper heels attracted attention because of the technical difficulty. Replacing a foot with a flat shoe is not too hard. Replacing the foot with a high heel shoe left the character the same height with a slightly shortened leg. changing the shape of the foot to fit a high heel. and elevating the body when wearing it caused some problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randaworgie Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Well one fact to face is that: sex sells. and I have nothing against people making those mods or using them, hell I use HGEC but it does seem to drag things down when every mod has to have something EC related in it for people to download it. If you really want people to make your mod and fast base it on a popular body-mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcole254 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 As far as the striper heels request, I seem to recall that the person who requested them is actually the one making them. People are more likely to help out on a mod that you are working on rather than do the whole thing for you. (with some exceptions). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakaru11 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Sorry but I have to back up what bben said. The modders here don't get money for taking requests, they do it because it is fun and they have the right to decide what they want to work on. Because even if a lot of modders release there stuff, first of all you always mod for yourself, then for others. You can't go walking around saying that the idea you had is better than others that are getting worked on. That is always a matter of personal taste. And some modders actually pick the ideas that would provide a real challenge. On the other hand: NOTHING that requires mesh and texture work is ever "simple". If it was so "simple", you could have done it yourself, don't you agree? Don't get me wrong. I love Dynasty Warriors like the next best fangirl and would love to see clothes and armors from that game here, but there are quite a few outfits out there that are based on those classic chinese looks, it's up to you to find them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trashdog Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 (edited) Less cloth = easier to do for the modder and also by far more downloads. If you take a look at my uploads you will notice that my butt-cheeks replacer has by far the most downloads, a lot of people download it and don't even bother with the clothing and armor^^ The second most popular upload by me is my conversion of exnems sorceress outfit, which is also by far the sexiest and most revealing piece of clothing available for the body mod. My Berserker Outfit on the other hand, which is my favorite piece I've done so far is the least popular :) Thats just the way it works... sex sells and most Modders who don't work for themselves and release their stuff only for the sake of sharing (like I do) want to work on files which will give them the least work but will please the most people at the same time, which is adult content in most cases. Don't get me wrong, I'am not whining, criticising or blaming anyone... I gues it's easy to misunderstand my post in that way... this is just my neutral perception of the situation :) Btw. I was also asking a lot of modders to do the work I'am currently doing and never got a single reply. In the end I just learned how to use the 3D Editor myself to get the things done... and Boboy is doing the same thing right now. If you want the stuff realy badly I would advice you to consider doing the same thing. Learning how to use the tools isn't as hard as one would imagine and after that its only a matter of practice and time you are willing to put in your work. Regards Edited January 7, 2011 by Trashdog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majikmonkee Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 If I recall correctly, that stripper heels thread has gone through periods of inactivity, and as was stated in the second post, it deals with a technical issue the modder was trying to solve that could potentially benefit other modders as well. Mod requests can take a while to get accepted, if at all, and it may take even longer if modders think you're accusing them of having a pornographic agenda. Just be patient. If an idea is worth picking up, someone will find it eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaospearl Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 First, let me say that I'm in no way accusing modders of being lazy or havig any kind of agenda, pornographic or otherwise, lol. I love this community and I deeply appreciate every single minute of someone else's time that goes into creating the mods without which I wouldn't bother to play Oblivion at all. I've done a lot of modding myself, though I haven't released anything (mostly because my ego couldn't handle hearing that nobody liked it) and I know firsthand how difficult it is. All that said... I want to chime in on the fact that there are two basic kinds of mods, and one of them has a MUCH steeper learning curve. There are mods involving NPCs and quests and world modification that you can do in the CS, and then there are clothing mods that require you to learn 3d modeling. I've spent hours and hours and hours (no, even more than that) in the CS struggling to make it do what I want, and I've spent probably even longer in Paintshop Pro and NIFSkope retexturing clothing pixel by pixel. I've even figured out how to remove certain parts of a mesh entirely, or retexture just a specific bit. That's about the limit of my knowledge. I can't create new clothing from scratch because I don't know how to use the programs that create brand new meshes. I've tried multiple times, sitting down with a step by step guide, and I have yet to come up with anything workable. I haven't given up yet and I know one day I WILL be able to make the stupid fur-lined hood I want so badly that is the reason I taught myself modding to begin with... but that day isn't today and probably won't be tomorrow or this month either. 3d modeling to create meshes is insanely complicated and more than that, it requires a lot of trial and error and instructions that involve the words "keep doing (whatever) until it looks right" and aren't very clear-cut. So. I know a lot of the mod requests that come in (not all of them by a long shot, just a large number) are infuriatingly poorly thought-out pieces of idiocy, or so very specific and obscure that nobody besides the requestor would ever use them... or, my personal favorite, the ones that have been done 87 times before and the requestor just didn't bother to actually look for an existing mod before demanding that somebody give up a week of their time to create one just for him or her. I know that. But I also know that telling someone "just learn to mod and do it yourself" is not nearly as easy as it sounds. I'm surely no genius but I am sort of reasonably intelligent, and much more importantly I have absurd amounts of free time on my hands. I still haven't been able to learn enough to create new meshes from scratch, and while I can use Paintshop \ Photoshop to a decent degree I'm nowhere near good enough to do the kind of texturing required for the clothing that I'd like. That isn't something you can teach yourself overnight, or even in a week or a month. It takes a long time to pick up the skill. I don't even know why I'm posting this... it's TL;DR for most people anyway, lol. I guess I just wanted to say that I understand the frustration that comes when somebody tells you to learn to mod and do it yourself, as if the whole problem were just that you're lazy and not trying very hard. I've tried. And tried, and tried. For now I'm content to just create quests and NPCs and landscapes and wildly re-colored clothing, and hope that by the time I learn enough to finally make my fur hood, I'll still be interested in this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakaru11 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 @chaospearl: I know how you feel, I had to teach myself everything about nifskope myself and armor mash-ups are now easy for me to do. I know a lot about retexturing from my time as a sims2 modder, so that helped a lot. But I, just like you, can not mesh worth a penny. The only thing I ever did in Blender was converting a sims2 hair and even that thing does not have transparency and looks like plastic. The problem in this thread though was not that people told the thread starter to "learn to mod to do it himself", it was his/her oppinion that more "sexy" requests are more likely to be worked on than ones that are not "sexy". This might be true to a certain extend, but if you check the request section, a lot mods that are far from adding anything sexy to the game get worked on. What makes me angry about this thread is that just because no one jumped through a hoop to do this mod, the thread starter says "My idea is much better than the ones that get worked on". If that is the way you think, you might really be better of trying to mod it yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strikerdes Posted January 7, 2011 Author Share Posted January 7, 2011 I did not say "my Idea was better" if you actually read through, you will see I wrote my idea is more relevant for the game seeing as it's not a boob tube or a thong! I didn't say it was better then anyone's mod request, but if the makers of the game looked at my mod idea and these pornographic mod ideas they will go with the one which is more relevant to gamestyle and in my opinion, wearing a boob tube or cheetah thong isn't exactly sticking to the style of oblivion gameplay, I don't remember ever seeing someone frolicking around in a corset in any sort of corset! I just personally think that my idea of making a healer/eleven ranger outfit is a lot better then some dirty old thong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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