South Sudan to vote for independence!

[marharth]

If china gets involved I think everyone else will just let china f*** them up :D

[Harbringe]

If china gets involved I think everyone else will just let china f*** them up :D

 

That's just it China has been involved in Africa for over a decade .We in the West haven't really noticed it because we generally just ignore Africa and only notice it when some crisis or catastrophe is about to unfold.As for screwing over Africa ,many African nations prefer to deal with China over the West ,as the Chinese do have this policy of non interference in internal politics , though Sudan may mark a change to some degree in this.

 

Also the Chinese have an odd way of doing business with the African nations . While they like those in the west are after resources , any deals they strike come with bonuses of free infrastructure programs and instead of just handing the money over to the governments with which they make the deals (avoid corrupt officials) , they come in themselves and build whatever it is that's needed .It's proving to be a very successful approach.

[JimboUK]

If china gets involved I think everyone else will just let china f*** them up :D

 

That's just it China has been involved in Africa for over a decade .We in the West haven't really noticed it because we generally just ignore Africa and only notice it when some crisis or catastrophe is about to unfold.As for screwing over Africa ,many African nations prefer to deal with China over the West ,as the Chinese do have this policy of non interference in internal politics , though Sudan may mark a change to some degree in this.

 

Also the Chinese have an odd way of doing business with the African nations . While they like those in the west are after resources , any deals they strike come with bonuses of free infrastructure programs and instead of just handing the money over to the governments with which they make the deals (avoid corrupt officials) , they come in themselves and build whatever it is that's needed .It's proving to be a very successful approach.

 

The Chinese sent weapons to the Mugabe regime in Zimbabwe, weapons that would have been used against the opposition. The Chinese are hardly innocent.

[Harbringe]

If china gets involved I think everyone else will just let china f*** them up :D

 

That's just it China has been involved in Africa for over a decade .We in the West haven't really noticed it because we generally just ignore Africa and only notice it when some crisis or catastrophe is about to unfold.As for screwing over Africa ,many African nations prefer to deal with China over the West ,as the Chinese do have this policy of non interference in internal politics , though Sudan may mark a change to some degree in this.

 

Also the Chinese have an odd way of doing business with the African nations . While they like those in the west are after resources , any deals they strike come with bonuses of free infrastructure programs and instead of just handing the money over to the governments with which they make the deals (avoid corrupt officials) , they come in themselves and build whatever it is that's needed .It's proving to be a very successful approach.

 

The Chinese sent weapons to the Mugabe regime in Zimbabwe, weapons that would have been used against the opposition. The Chinese are hardly innocent.

 

Oh no I'm not saying they are innocent ,I'm just saying they have a somewhat of a different approach.

[JimboUK]

If china gets involved I think everyone else will just let china f*** them up :D

 

That's just it China has been involved in Africa for over a decade .We in the West haven't really noticed it because we generally just ignore Africa and only notice it when some crisis or catastrophe is about to unfold.As for screwing over Africa ,many African nations prefer to deal with China over the West ,as the Chinese do have this policy of non interference in internal politics , though Sudan may mark a change to some degree in this.

 

Also the Chinese have an odd way of doing business with the African nations . While they like those in the west are after resources , any deals they strike come with bonuses of free infrastructure programs and instead of just handing the money over to the governments with which they make the deals (avoid corrupt officials) , they come in themselves and build whatever it is that's needed .It's proving to be a very successful approach.

 

The Chinese sent weapons to the Mugabe regime in Zimbabwe, weapons that would have been used against the opposition. The Chinese are hardly innocent.

 

Oh no I'm not saying they are innocent ,I'm just saying they have a somewhat of a different approach.

 

Selling arms to dictators is exactly what the US, Europe and Soviets are/were guilty of, bad governance is at the heart of Africas problems and by propping up crooks and murderers they are ensuring things will never improve.

[marharth]

If china gets involved I think everyone else will just let china f*** them up :D

 

That's just it China has been involved in Africa for over a decade .We in the West haven't really noticed it because we generally just ignore Africa and only notice it when some crisis or catastrophe is about to unfold.As for screwing over Africa ,many African nations prefer to deal with China over the West ,as the Chinese do have this policy of non interference in internal politics , though Sudan may mark a change to some degree in this.

 

Also the Chinese have an odd way of doing business with the African nations . While they like those in the west are after resources , any deals they strike come with bonuses of free infrastructure programs and instead of just handing the money over to the governments with which they make the deals (avoid corrupt officials) , they come in themselves and build whatever it is that's needed .It's proving to be a very successful approach.

 

The Chinese sent weapons to the Mugabe regime in Zimbabwe, weapons that would have been used against the opposition. The Chinese are hardly innocent.

 

Oh no I'm not saying they are innocent ,I'm just saying they have a somewhat of a different approach.

 

Selling arms to dictators is exactly what the US, Europe and Soviets are/were guilty of, bad governance is at the heart of Africas problems and by propping up crooks and murderers they are ensuring things will never improve.

Not to mention the US selling weapons and fighter jets to Saudi Arabia...

[Harbringe]

If china gets involved I think everyone else will just let china f*** them up :D

 

That's just it China has been involved in Africa for over a decade .We in the West haven't really noticed it because we generally just ignore Africa and only notice it when some crisis or catastrophe is about to unfold.As for screwing over Africa ,many African nations prefer to deal with China over the West ,as the Chinese do have this policy of non interference in internal politics , though Sudan may mark a change to some degree in this.

 

Also the Chinese have an odd way of doing business with the African nations . While they like those in the west are after resources , any deals they strike come with bonuses of free infrastructure programs and instead of just handing the money over to the governments with which they make the deals (avoid corrupt officials) , they come in themselves and build whatever it is that's needed .It's proving to be a very successful approach.

 

The Chinese sent weapons to the Mugabe regime in Zimbabwe, weapons that would have been used against the opposition. The Chinese are hardly innocent.

 

Oh no I'm not saying they are innocent ,I'm just saying they have a somewhat of a different approach.

 

Selling arms to dictators is exactly what the US, Europe and Soviets are/were guilty of, bad governance is at the heart of Africas problems and by propping up crooks and murderers they are ensuring things will never improve.

Not to mention the US selling weapons and fighter jets to Saudi Arabia...

 

Weapon sales are always a messy subject ,as they invariably involve geo political and geo strategic reasons involving many interests ,many times outside the country at subject.Needless to say the resorting to arming parties involved has rarely lead to a good result.

[WizardOfAtlantis]

Everybody sells weapons to everybody. It's the way the world works (doesn't have to, but the people in power, whether elected or corporate, are much akin to Monsters...and we all know what should be done to monsters....).

 

I really can't assume, personally, that Africa would have been better off without any outside influence. That's a difficult parallel-history kind of argument. If they, for example only, had been more together with each other, holding hands (symbolically at least) instead of killing their neighbours, they might well have resisted such colonization much better. Numbers and home-town territory counted for more than older technology. Ask the Zulus and the Maori. They might have even stopped it. However, they weren't holding hands, they were killing each other off in genocidal-type warfare (much like many are doing still to this day), and they (the Africans in that region) were the main supplies for the slave trade those centuries ago. Not the Europeans, who were mostly dealers. I'm not saying that all Africans were doing that, but in the landing area of the Europeans (Ivory Coast), they were, and their habits didn't help them from being manipulated.

 

It's even possible, that without any outside influence whatsoever, that genocidal warfare would have continued for centuries. It's perhaps even likely (?), because it still is going on often enough today (Hutu/Tutsi for ex). Or maybe one side would have just killed off all the others, or it could even be an ever-going stalemate of reciprocal killing. Who knows? Maybe they would have eventually realized the error of their feeding-off-of-each-other ways and grown up.

 

And don't get me wrong, here. I apply the same logic to the damn Celts/Welsh/Scots who, if they would have put their blinking differences aside, might have resisted the English. But they didn't, and so they didn't. http://www.thenexusforums.com/public/style_emoticons/dark/wallbash.gif

We humans are a curious race, sometimes little better than jumped-up monkeys (although I think monkeys generally make more sense).

 

Did you guys hear about George Clooney's satellite system watching the ground in near real-time for signs of genocide-type violence? " "We are the antigenocide paparazzi," the actor told Time magazine."

[Harbringe]

Everybody sells weapons to everybody. It's the way the world works (doesn't have to, but the people in power, whether elected or corporate, are much akin to Monsters...and we all know what should be done to monsters....).

 

I really can't assume, personally, that Africa would have been better off without any outside influence. That's a difficult parallel-history kind of argument. If they, for example only, had been more together with each other, holding hands (symbolically at least) instead of killing their neighbours, they might well have resisted such colonization much better. Numbers and home-town territory counted for more than older technology. Ask the Zulus and the Maori. They might have even stopped it. However, they weren't holding hands, they were killing each other off in genocidal-type warfare (much like many are doing still to this day), and they (the Africans in that region) were the main supplies for the slave trade those centuries ago. Not the Europeans, who were mostly dealers. I'm not saying that all Africans were doing that, but in the landing area of the Europeans (Ivory Coast), they were, and their habits didn't help them from being manipulated.

 

It's even possible, that without any outside influence whatsoever, that genocidal warfare would have continued for centuries. It's perhaps even likely (?), because it still is going on often enough today (Hutu/Tutsi for ex). Or maybe one side would have just killed off all the others, or it could even be an ever-going stalemate of reciprocal killing. Who knows? Maybe they would have eventually realized the error of their feeding-off-of-each-other ways and grown up.

 

And don't get me wrong, here. I apply the same logic to the damn Celts/Welsh/Scots who, if they would have put their blinking differences aside, might have resisted the English. But they didn't, and so they didn't. http://www.thenexusforums.com/public/style_emoticons/dark/wallbash.gif

We humans are a curious race, sometimes little better than jumped-up monkeys (although I think monkeys generally make more sense).

 

Did you guys hear about George Clooney's satellite system watching the ground in near real-time for signs of genocide-type violence? " "We are the antigenocide paparazzi," the actor told Time magazine."

 

Well said post there Wiz and yes I was aware of George Clooney's efforts to set up an antigenocidal satelite monitoring system.A rather intelligent approach instead of focusing on the genocide after the fact.

[WizardOfAtlantis]

Well said post there Wiz and yes I was aware of George Clooney's efforts to set up an antigenocidal satelite monitoring system.A rather intelligent approach instead of focusing on the genocide after the fact.

I find it both cool and (perhaps?) a little creepy at the same time. On the one hand there's what some people could define an inordinate spying power set up by the hands of "privates"...then again, I find it really cool that there are rich people that want to use their money for the good of the human race. Way too many rich people simply hoard their dough or use their power to only further their own interests. I would like to see more rich and/or famous people trying to make the world a better place. Hollywooders certainly could if they wanted to.http://www.thenexusforums.com/public/style_emoticons/dark/thumbsup.gif