Concern re: Abuse of "block" feature.

[diyeath]

So, I ran into a funky issue, I won't name anyone specifically. If mods are interested they can message me and I'll name names there but I do not believe in publicly calling people out in a lame attempt of shaming.

 

I had a problem with a mod, traced the issue to back to the mod through deduction (the issue went away after the mod was removed and alternatives to said, popular mod had no issues what so ever ergo there was a very high chance that the issue specifically stemmed from that mod author's mod).

 

So later that day I get a response from the mod author which essentially calls me a liar and then goes on the invalidate the troubleshooting that I've done to pinpoint the source of the issue.

 

My response is civil, no harsh words were used and I expressed my disappointment but said literally said it was water under the bridge and I point out that if I remove his mod and the issue completely goes away there's a good chance the issue is with their mod.

 

I go back today to see if there's any progress and I've been blocked.

 

 

Frankly, since his mod has problems that I can replicate through multiple installs I don't care about being blocked.

 

What I care about is the abuse of the blockign system. For a mod author to abuse the block system to stop civil discussion on a potential issue is a blatant abuse of the system, akin to artifically inflating one's endoresements or votes.

 

Again, I will not name names but if mods feel the need to investigate I will provide details in a PM. Thank you for your time and have a good day.

 

P.S. here's the redacted (to protect the identity of the mod author) reponse which resulted in me being blocked.

 

 

"You know, I don't particularily appreciate you implying I'm lying about trying nearly every REDACTED on nexus. That was no hyperbole and it's not very becoming of an adult to make an assumption like that. But lets move past that, water under the bridge.

If this is on my end then why does every other REDACTED except yours work without any massive frame timing issues?
By deduction if I have frame timing issues and I replace your REDACTED with another REDACTED and those frame timing issues go away that means we can trace the symptoms directly back to your REDACTED as they are the variable which is causing the issue.

Perhaps you should consider the guy who has 990 endorsements and a technical background a bit more?"

Edited June 1, 2015 by diyeath

[JimboUK]

I hope you did a little more to verify it than just remove the mod, there may have been a conflict and thus removing the mod has removed that conflict. That said I've come across mods where there is an obvious problem that the author has refused to acknowledge, in those cases it's best to remove the mod and make a mental note of the authors name so you can avoid their stuff in future. There's nothing you can do about being blocked, staff have made it clear they won't get involved, if you're in the right then think of it as a positive, you won't accidentally install anything from that author again.

[diyeath]

I hope you did a little more to verify it than just remove the mod, there may have been a conflict and thus removing the mod has removed that conflict. That said I've come across mods where there is an obvious problem that the author has refused to acknowledge, in those cases it's best to remove the mod and make a mental note of the authors name so you can avoid their stuff in future. There's nothing you can do about being blocked, staff have made it clear they won't get involved, if you're in the right then think of it as a positive, you won't accidentally install anything from that author again.

 

It's in relation to ENB so that simplifies the moving components quite a bit. I verified it accross multiple clean installs and multiple ENB versions, the issue completely dissapeared when I used a different ENB preset including much more demaning ENB presets such as K ENB.

 

We're not talking about a little dip in frames. We're talking about turning your character's head and dropping to 0.8 from 44 fps consistently.

 

I don't want the staff to get involved in unblocking me, I've blocked the mod author and have no intention of ever using their mods again.

 

My issue is that this is abuse of the system, not only can I no longer unendorse but removing feedback of a potential issue is potentially fraud (it actually could be consdiered fraud since there is a monetary value involved with donations).

Edited June 1, 2015 by diyeath

[blove]

Why would you endorse something that caused your framerates to drop from 44 to 0.8 when you turned your head. Surely you turned your head before endorsing. Same goes for donations.

[diyeath]

Why would you endorse something that caused your framerates to drop from 44 to 0.8 when you turned your head. Surely you turned your head before endorsing. Same goes for donations.

 

Before his mod was updated, about a year ago it worked fine so I had endorsed it and used it.

 

How fraud works is this: If you do something to misrepresent a product (mod) which obtains a benefit (endorsements/donations) you can be sued and/or have criminal charges brought against you. I'm not saying either of these things would happen but the law is the law, the likelyhood of punishment is completely irrelavent. Case and point: Nexus's stance on piracy. Doesn't matter if you won't be punished for it by your country, it's still illegal and thus isn't welcome on this site.

 

To further that people have been banned for endorsement fraud on nexus before. Not that this is endorement fraud (as it would have to be intentional instead of being a byproduct), I'm using it to show that nexus does indeed punish people for fraud and that the system as it currently sits isn't really viable as it allows for situations like this to spring up.

 

I'm advocating for a policy change that reflects an unbiased system.

Edited June 1, 2015 by diyeath

[MotoSxorpio]

Now I'm curious as to which ENB preset you are upset about.

[diyeath]

Now I'm curious as to which ENB preset you are upset about.

 

Sharing that information is kind of like calling them out in public, I'm just not prepared to do that because it works in contrast to my goal of revised policy that is unbiased and I like to believe I'm a little more mature than that. Sorry. :sad:

Edited June 1, 2015 by diyeath

[MotoSxorpio]

Ok, that's fair enough.

 

Tweaking ENB is a small hobby of mine. Though I write no code for shaders, I read and adjust a lot of it. The Prime settings in ENB to look to when FPS drops are prevalent are SSAO quality, scale and range. Lesser hardware simply cannot sample fast enough to render at gameplay speeds. Even mid level hardware has a time with rendering and sampling. Reflection comes in a close second, same thing: Quality, Scale...ok, so no range on this one. But you get the idea. SSAO is VERY taxing. There are many other factors, but these are always forefront to issues of framerate stability.

[diyeath]

Ok, that's fair enough.

 

Tweaking ENB is a small hobby of mine. Though I write no code for shaders, I read and adjust a lot of it. The Prime settings in ENB to look to when FPS drops are prevalent are SSAO quality, scale and range. Lesser hardware simply cannot sample fast enough to render at gameplay speeds. Even mid level hardware has a time with rendering and sampling. Reflection comes in a close second, same thing: Quality, Scale...ok, so no range on this one. But you get the idea. SSAO is VERY taxing. There are many other factors, but these are always forefront to issues of framerate stability.

 

Bleh, it's too hard to talk about this without mentioning specifics. I'll message you with details. Please, if you end up agreeing with me, don't use that information to shame them or whatnot.

[blove]

So it worked, for a year, you updated, and now it does not work.

 

How an ENB upgrade works is this: If you have a problem, you do not tick off the author to the point of being blocked.

 

Seems like some woe is me and damn them stuff.