What will happen to Skyrim?

[Noortje]

A game that focuses on atmosphere and landscaping should look good graphically.. And I don't get what you are trying to say.. why on earth would there be no point to having a really good looking game? The majority of players will be PC gamers. The PC master race wants ultra good graphics. If you want a good experience on console you just need to set the graphical settings lower.. it's not hard... I don't get how you are even arguing this... The possibility of mods is not an excuse for poor graphics... If a game engine is built around shitty graphics it's going to suck performance wise if you mod it to look good, just like Skyrim... The engine they want to use is simply not good enough they are shooting themselves in the foot, the only buyers will be people that played fallout 3, any potential new buyer will see the trailer and think.. meh... there's plenty better looking alternatives for much cheaper.

How could you even argue this.. take witcher 3, great graphics, great story, great gameplay. Why on earth would you need to cut down on graphics to make the gameplay better? Bethesda is swimming in dough they could easily afford getting a better/larger graphics team... They're just being stingy, thinking because skyrim was a succes back in 2011, that they can get away with a shitty game engine again thus they don't spend any resources on engine development.. again..

Edited June 5, 2015 by Noortje

[notmyhome]

Yea, I'd also prefer extremely good graphics for PC. Modding your game to look beautiful is possible, but often puts a bigger strain on the game engine.

 

Also I think we shouldn't encourage game developers to push out half-finished games knowing that the modding community will fix it for free.

 

 

 

That said, I watched the trailer on my 1080p screen and it looked fine.

[Boombro]

Been there, heard that. Many years ago and days ago.

 

Why I said it doesn't matter if it looks bad because I know even if it looks like tw3 people would still mod it. There is already countless mods for tw3, GTA v and many others to make them look better that are showcased weekly. People will always think they are bad one way or another. I know that if fallout 4 ultra setting made it the best, people would still "fix it" if they can one way or another, and it will be outdated years later anyways.

 

And I'm really happy that someone who think landscaping and others are important, but those are not graphics. Graphics are textures and effects.

 

If you still want to know more, lower compression screenshots and trailer are out. The host says it still compressed and gameplay may differ even more. So the both of us can't offer a valid argument.

 

But don't have hope that many games will be like GTA v and tw3. Those games are great because there not a lot of great games those two years. Not many game dev will have skills to make worthy rivals, even if every gamer donated all their cash to them.

[Noortje]

Landscape is not graphics.. what? Graphics is the appearance of the game, the visuals, not just the textures, so that includes landscaping and atmosphere.. And yes, if the landscape is of high texture quality, that makes a ton of difference. You know why there are so little mods for games like witcher and farcry etc? Because they are pretty much ready to play as they come. Fallout 3, Oblivion and Skyrim were not. At least not for the time in which they were made. Far cry 4 has 13 mods, all of which aren't neccesary. The only thing witcher 3 needed was removing the yellow blur, which simply required a very basic sweetfx. Compare that to the trailer of fallout and you're looking at hundreds of mods (again) needed for improvement. Just from the trailer (trailers are usually made to show off all the best looking things about the game, so go figure).

Edited June 5, 2015 by Noortje

[bben46]

@noortje

 

The majority of players will be PC gamers.

Where do you get that bit of misinformation? for Skyrim the percentage is just 14% on PC. ( source: http://www.statisticbrain.com/skyrim-the-elder-scrolls-v-statistics/ ) It will likely be similar for Fallout4.

 

We, the "PC master race" :pinch: are the bottom of the barrel when it comes to games. Most Skyrim players are on Xbox 59% with PS3 coming in way behind at 27%

That is why the games are made for consoles and ported to PC as an afterthought if at all. :sad: For game companies, the money is in consoles not PCs.

[Boombro]

That because beth never and may never make a perfect game that is the best in everything. Even before modding their games was a thing. Beth games are not the same. They are loved even with flows. And let face it, modding will always makes games last and gamers love that. Oblivion can look up to date with today games and still run smoothly, because mods.

 

And no, there no option to trun off landscaping and tints and they don't effect fps. They are visuals, but not of the same nature. Think sport cars and vans. I saw it different because fo3 had more impact in that department than far cry 3.

 

I still recall the time when I entered a pre war house, running away from sniper gun shots. The wallpaper was in bad shape, broken chairs and glass, dust flowing in the air and it seemed looted already, but found some caps and headed upstairs to get a nap.

At the main bedroom, I found two skeletons cuddling on the bed.

 

 

There is also a dark, broken vault somewhere the in wasteland. I went in to find ammo and loot. In the dark I heard someone says "Gary!"

It went on and on. They only said Gary, I couldn't see them but it came from everywhere.

 

One of the quests made you enter a pre-war simulation. They made it black and white, the pre-war houses I always see in ash were new. It was first and last time I heard birds in the game.

 

In another vault, I followed what I thought was a doctor. I wanted him to fix my limp. But he disappeared in the next room. I kept seeing flashes and ghosts. There were hostiles, but had no idea who.

 

These places and quests made people love fallout 3. It kept showing stuff they hardly saw in any other game. That why they kept playing such an eyesore. It had atmosphere and impact. The only game that could do it as good was BioShock games, another perfect games that does well in all aspects.

 

And you really shouldn't judge a game by a YouTube video. They are compressed.

[Noortje]

The video may be compressed but I can clearly see what the textures will look like uncompressed. Just looking at that dogs fur is enough of a hint you can clearly see the lack of quality there since there are no physics applied to the dogs fur at all. Game developers usually show their games on max quality in trailers (and then they usually turn out worse in the actual game) so if this is what their max quality will look like, it's going to be dissapointing as f***.

 

Anyways with all this talk of consoles: GTA V, another console focused game, was released two years ago on console and looked(looks) a lot better than this, a game said to launch two years later. Bethesda made well over a billion dollars off of Skyrim, don't tell me they can't afford to make their game look amazing. It's not just a matter of appealing to the console audience, you can easily downgrade a game for ps3. Ps4 can easily run graphics that are a lot better than what is seen in that trailer.

 

As for the landscaping thing: I don't know what you are trying to say... I never said you could turn landscape off.. (you can in Skyrim but noone does that so lets put that aside) Are you trying to say something isn't graphics if you can't turn it off? That makes no sense.. Almost every game has advanced quality sliders for landscape, shading and environment. I wasn't talking about turning it off, I was talking about the fact that you can reduce the quality of it, make the game not render redundant stuff etc. The definition of graphics is simply: Everything you can see on your screen. That includes even things like hud, menus, the font etc. When someone says a game has amazing graphics they simply mean it looks great as a whole. If your pc can't handle the high settings, just reduce the quality. There is zero reason to make the PC version look shitty just because some people can't run it at max settings, no other game company does that, at least not with that motivation.

Edited June 5, 2015 by Noortje

[Shivala]

To offer another opinion : One might hope that the new Radiant AI is so wickedly awesome that they can't allocate more resources to GFX.

[Relativelybest]

I will always prefer fantasy to post-apolacyptic sci-fi.

 

That said, what I really want is a post-apocalyptic fantasy game.

[terrain182]

i'll do both :yes: