marharth Posted June 12, 2011 Author Share Posted June 12, 2011 (edited) Nonono, Marharth, you aren't reading what I typed, I said that the EU is a perfect example of why a One World government would be a Bad Thing. Ie it is a perfectly bad example if you like, a textbook example of what can go wrong (and has gone wrong). Please don't twist my words.Should of made my post more clear, edited it. I typed... "EU is a perfect example of a one world government." I meant "EU is a perfect example of a one world government would be bad." I think what she is trying to point out here is, the EU is a prime example of just why a one world government won't work. With all the diverse ideas of how things 'should' work, very little actually gets done, and what DOES get done, might be good for some, but, for others..... not so much so.While the EU may be a diverse economic union, it is certainly not something you can compare to a government system that has never existed. Too many variables are missing with a one world system, you can't compare a economic union to a one world government when the government system in question is nothing like the EU. Edited June 12, 2011 by marharth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Nonono, Marharth, you aren't reading what I typed, I said that the EU is a perfect example of why a One World government would be a Bad Thing. Ie it is a perfectly bad example if you like, a textbook example of what can go wrong (and has gone wrong). Please don't twist my words.Should of made my post more clear, edited it. I typed... "EU is a perfect example of a one world government." I meant "EU is a perfect example of a one world government would be bad." I think what she is trying to point out here is, the EU is a prime example of just why a one world government won't work. With all the diverse ideas of how things 'should' work, very little actually gets done, and what DOES get done, might be good for some, but, for others..... not so much so.While the EU may be a diverse economic union, it is certainly not something you can compare to a government system that has never existed. Too many variables are missing with a one world system, you can't compare a economic union to a one world government when the government system in question is nothing like the EU. erm, if there is nothing to compare it to, how can you say it is nothing like it? What is going to be the purpose of the one government? Isn't it economic prosperity, and regulation of trade/business, to protect both the people, and the environment? And have a look at the EU. Sure, it is only an 'economic union', but even at that, they can't agree on anything. They have to fight tooth and nail to get anything at all done. Unless, of course, you would like an authoritarian government, that just TELLS you how it is going to be, and if you don't like it, we have a high velocity solution for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marharth Posted June 12, 2011 Author Share Posted June 12, 2011 Nonono, Marharth, you aren't reading what I typed, I said that the EU is a perfect example of why a One World government would be a Bad Thing. Ie it is a perfectly bad example if you like, a textbook example of what can go wrong (and has gone wrong). Please don't twist my words.Should of made my post more clear, edited it. I typed... "EU is a perfect example of a one world government." I meant "EU is a perfect example of a one world government would be bad." I think what she is trying to point out here is, the EU is a prime example of just why a one world government won't work. With all the diverse ideas of how things 'should' work, very little actually gets done, and what DOES get done, might be good for some, but, for others..... not so much so.While the EU may be a diverse economic union, it is certainly not something you can compare to a government system that has never existed. Too many variables are missing with a one world system, you can't compare a economic union to a one world government when the government system in question is nothing like the EU. erm, if there is nothing to compare it to, how can you say it is nothing like it? What is going to be the purpose of the one government? Isn't it economic prosperity, and regulation of trade/business, to protect both the people, and the environment? And have a look at the EU. Sure, it is only an 'economic union', but even at that, they can't agree on anything. They have to fight tooth and nail to get anything at all done. Unless, of course, you would like an authoritarian government, that just TELLS you how it is going to be, and if you don't like it, we have a high velocity solution for you.The EU has separate countries inside of it, which is why they can't agree on anything. If it was a single government it wouldn't be like it is now. I can say its nothing like a one world government for many reasons, like the above. The EU is only a economic trade union with separate countries. That means you have separate governments controlling it as a whole, as you said they can't agree on anything. We have not even established what the government system of the one world government would be, so comparing it to existing governments inside of a trade union doesn't make much sense. If the one world government operated the exact same way as the EU does (pretty much separate government systems with a few things that are agreed on world wide) then yes, it would fail terribly. If it was another government system it might work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 And how is it going to be any different with a one-world government? You are still going to have representatives from the various member 'countries', and local governments as well. The idea behind countries, was like minded people, with a government they all agreed on, (for the most part) and all agree WITH. (again, for the most part....) With such widely varied cultures/peoples/religions, there will be no consensus. It is simply not practical for the foreseeable future. Unless/Until some MAJOR disaster/war drastically reduces the population, and makes the struggle for survival less of a 'sure thing', it ain't gonna happen, and could never work. Barring some guy developing a super-weapon that doesn't leave residue that kills for tens of thousands of years afterwards, and basically forms his own dictatorship, and 'eliminates' those that dissent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marharth Posted June 13, 2011 Author Share Posted June 13, 2011 And how is it going to be any different with a one-world government? You are still going to have representatives from the various member 'countries', and local governments as well. The idea behind countries, was like minded people, with a government they all agreed on, (for the most part) and all agree WITH. (again, for the most part....) With such widely varied cultures/peoples/religions, there will be no consensus. It is simply not practical for the foreseeable future. Unless/Until some MAJOR disaster/war drastically reduces the population, and makes the struggle for survival less of a 'sure thing', it ain't gonna happen, and could never work. Barring some guy developing a super-weapon that doesn't leave residue that kills for tens of thousands of years afterwards, and basically forms his own dictatorship, and 'eliminates' those that dissent.I have already said that it can not happen any time soon... My idea of a one world government is not agreeing to all different cultures and merging countries a council, my idea is when the world gets to a point where all bad cultural things are gone, and a single government can form. The question is if a one world government would be better then a many different governments. It is not how you get to that point, or if it could happen soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 And how is it going to be any different with a one-world government? You are still going to have representatives from the various member 'countries', and local governments as well. The idea behind countries, was like minded people, with a government they all agreed on, (for the most part) and all agree WITH. (again, for the most part....) With such widely varied cultures/peoples/religions, there will be no consensus. It is simply not practical for the foreseeable future. Unless/Until some MAJOR disaster/war drastically reduces the population, and makes the struggle for survival less of a 'sure thing', it ain't gonna happen, and could never work. Barring some guy developing a super-weapon that doesn't leave residue that kills for tens of thousands of years afterwards, and basically forms his own dictatorship, and 'eliminates' those that dissent.I have already said that it can not happen any time soon... My idea of a one world government is not agreeing to all different cultures and merging countries a council, my idea is when the world gets to a point where all bad cultural things are gone, and a single government can form. The question is if a one world government would be better then a many different governments. It is not how you get to that point, or if it could happen soon. Probably not. We have a variety of governments now, none of which are free of graft, corruption, and scandal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marharth Posted June 13, 2011 Author Share Posted June 13, 2011 And how is it going to be any different with a one-world government? You are still going to have representatives from the various member 'countries', and local governments as well. The idea behind countries, was like minded people, with a government they all agreed on, (for the most part) and all agree WITH. (again, for the most part....) With such widely varied cultures/peoples/religions, there will be no consensus. It is simply not practical for the foreseeable future. Unless/Until some MAJOR disaster/war drastically reduces the population, and makes the struggle for survival less of a 'sure thing', it ain't gonna happen, and could never work. Barring some guy developing a super-weapon that doesn't leave residue that kills for tens of thousands of years afterwards, and basically forms his own dictatorship, and 'eliminates' those that dissent.I have already said that it can not happen any time soon... My idea of a one world government is not agreeing to all different cultures and merging countries a council, my idea is when the world gets to a point where all bad cultural things are gone, and a single government can form. The question is if a one world government would be better then a many different governments. It is not how you get to that point, or if it could happen soon. Probably not. We have a variety of governments now, none of which are free of graft, corruption, and scandal.OK, lets look far into the future. Assuming the human race survives long enough to go into space, what happens if we come into contact with another intelligent race? If it is somewhat violent, or wants a war, what will the countries of earth do? Will we unite as a world or have separate military decisions? What about even before that, what happens if a country manages to build a base on the moon or mars that supports life? What if the bases start to spread, and a planet becomes a entire other country? Our current government system suck, it all depends on finding the perfect system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyYou Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 No such thing as a perfect system. Discovering a hostile alien race would probably be one of the things that could bring the world together, in a common cause. Extra-terrestrial colonies declaring independence is something I would expect to see happen eventually. It might take a couple decades of the colony being there, in order to become self sufficient enough to wanna try that trick..... I doubt that would prompt the people of earth to come together though, unless, of course, the moon base started launching rocks at us, or some such. I wanna do asteroid mining. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marharth Posted June 13, 2011 Author Share Posted June 13, 2011 No such thing as a perfect system. Discovering a hostile alien race would probably be one of the things that could bring the world together, in a common cause. Extra-terrestrial colonies declaring independence is something I would expect to see happen eventually. It might take a couple decades of the colony being there, in order to become self sufficient enough to wanna try that trick..... I doubt that would prompt the people of earth to come together though, unless, of course, the moon base started launching rocks at us, or some such. I wanna do asteroid mining. :DThere is no such thing as a perfect anything. Its all about getting as close to perfect as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alithinos Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 I don't think a world government would be a good idea.Actually,the more power a government has,the worse for local people.In each city or town people might have a different point of view from the majority of a country, because of different factors effecting them.This goes on in a larger scale,and a country might have different views and needs than the majority of a larger organization like the E.U. Consider of Switzerland's political model.They use a system known as direct democracy,and basically they have many different kind of elections,others regarding local matters,and others national.Their system is based on referendums,and people decide themselves what is going to apply to them.I think it's a nice model,but I referred to it as a point to support my opinion that it's better when the political decisions are taken by more in numbers groups,because of the individuality of different local communities. So my suggestion is that it would be better if citizens started to take political decisions themselves,using referendums,on local and then national degree.A global government wouldn't come up peacefully and democratically,at least in this century,since most nations around the world want to keep their national sovereignty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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