What would be the best way to punish criminals?

[Aurielius]

I do not mean that literally, but more along the lines of I would rather a few innocent be punished than a guilty man go free. And I'll stand behind that, even at my own expense, were I the innocent falsely accused. As I said before, I would hope the justice system would be less flawed than it is now, and perhaps attacking various the corruption that is definitely present, if not entirely evident, in the justice systems.

I think then we stand at opposite sides of the debate, because I would rather see some guilty go free than punish one innocent man (or women) which really is the basis of Anglo American trial by jury system. Though I have great faith in our legal system, it is not without a degree of skepticism, because cases keep popping up of innocent men incarcerated for lengthly terms and much later after their lives have been ruined are cleared and subsequently set free. With your method we would be apologizing to their surviving family, not an acceptable concept in my opinion.

[WizardOfAtlantis]

I assume by this form of logic then, when the allies closed in on Berlin we should have put them all on retainer instead of trials at Nuremberg?

That is what we did, though, for the scientists at least (as in, "at least, officially"). Operation Paperclip. It surely helped us out. As for the price...*shrugs*

[Aurielius]

I assume by this form of logic then, when the allies closed in on Berlin we should have put them all on retainer instead of trials at Nuremberg?

That is what we did, though, for the scientists at least (as in, "at least, officially"). Operation Paperclip. It surely helped us out. As for the price...*shrugs*

I think comparing Weiner von Braun and his staff to the Nuremberg defendants is not on the same level as Himmler,Goering and those that ran the death camps, still I admit it's morally quixotic.

[SpellAndShield]

Amputation and Decapitation.

 

This has the same problem as the death penalty. What happens when someone is wrongly convicted? you can't really sow their appendages back on and send them on their merry way.

 

I think we clearly need to reinstate (with improvements) the Code of Hammurabi. We need to return to our roots.

[Aurielius]

Amputation and Decapitation.

 

This has the same problem as the death penalty. What happens when someone is wrongly convicted? you can't really sow their appendages back on and send them on their merry way.

 

I think we clearly need to reinstate (with improvements) the Code of Hammurabi. We need to return to our roots.

There are 286 clauses to the Code of Hammurabi would you like to be more specific or are you inclusive of your approval of the code? Just asking because it would be far too easy for me to pick and choose from the more absurd among them. Just to be helpful....Code of Hammurabi

Edited February 17, 2011 by Aurielius

[ub3rman123]

Amputation and Decapitation.

 

This has the same problem as the death penalty. What happens when someone is wrongly convicted? you can't really sow their appendages back on and send them on their merry way.

 

I think we clearly need to reinstate (with improvements) the Code of Hammurabi. We need to return to our roots.

 

Improving it will take a bit of work. It's a tad unfair to the criminal (For example how you'd kill the son of the murderer if the murderer dies). Also, there would have to be a surefire way to prove that they were guilty every time. If you lop someone's legs off for running over a guy, you'd want to make sure it wasn't the guy who was driving in front of him who ran off before it was reported.

[DariusMoranda]

I wrote a long post on this thread, which included the whole concept of my own view about the best way of punishment for criminals.

 

It is not a small thing, it is a huge process which requires full concentration and dedication.

 

I saw many different programs for dealing with criminals, music, talking, psychology, trees and flowers,etc..., all of those new age pacifist stuff. And it just doesn't work.

 

The most ridiculous thing of all is that, a criminal will sit in his chair at home, he will turn on the TV and he will see at the random TV show, a bunch of educated , polite people talking with his buddy about his dark past and painful childhood , his broken dreams, etc,etc..,

 

And the guy in the chair will laugh out loud. 'Wut? This is how they treat us boys? Hell, babeh, I m gunna go get me a .38 special an' off to chase some skirts, who knows , maybe I ll grab a buck or two along with it, to buy me some beer. If they catch me, no worries, I ll just play a sad little fella with a posesive mom and abusive ol man, an I ll tell em that I still pee in mah bed, an, an, an I m outta there in 6 months!'

 

Instant formula for punishment-

 

Make a new Cheka or NKVD for criminals and criminals only. Speaking of the former state apparatus, neither one of their leaders were up to the job, Yagoda was soft, Yezhov was a sorry little man who killed innocent people for no reason and Beria was a complete psychopath. Bring someone like Felix Dzerzhinsky. He was ruthless but balanced. That's the law.

 

Andrey Vyshinsky for the justice part, as you need someone to put them behind the bars and to unload a proper punishment.

 

And that would be it. You would save loads of money which would be spent on various social experiments for those who cannot be reasoned with. I am talking about the vicious criminals, of course.

 

Arrest them, put them behind the bars, give them 30 years and shoot them. Or shoot them immediately , depending of the type of their crimes.

 

That method would bring a chill to the bones of those criminals which are free to roam. They would become charity workers after seeing what happened to their friends.

 

Example should be made, to prevent the rust to spread across the land.

 

Moranda

[RZ1029]

Not a fan of the Communism references, but otherwise... <3.

[Aurielius]

I see that the more draconian among us are weighing in, I find myself siding with the liberals for a change...lol But that does not mean that I am in favor of coddling criminals, hard time should really be hard time, just am not ready to stand them up against a wall and shoot them.

[JimboUK]

Amputation and Decapitation.

 

This has the same problem as the death penalty. What happens when someone is wrongly convicted? you can't really sow their appendages back on and send them on their merry way.

 

I think we clearly need to reinstate (with improvements) the Code of Hammurabi. We need to return to our roots.

 

How would you address the danger of killing or mutilating an innocent man/woman? Think what it would be like of if was you or a member of your family wrongly convicted, it matters not how great forensic science becomes there will always be humans involved in the process somewhere and humans tend to make mistakes every now and again.