Gamers Unite!

[Flamethrower]

I'm going to say this once; games are not art, they are a form of entertainment. If anyone says that they are art, I will smack them on the head.

 

Sorry, I just need to reply; this is a very generalized statement. I mean, Bejeweled is most certainly for entertainment, but can you say the same for Mass Effect, which even has books circling around it? And where a whole universe is created and linked, to a few things that are a posibility in this age?

It's like saying movies are for entertainment - comedies and other mash-ups are, but film being considered more and more of an art form, why not video games?

 

I have to say it: (some) games are art...

*puts cooking pot on head*

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Sorry, I just need to reply; this is a very generalized statement. I mean, Bejeweled is most certainly for entertainment, but can you say the same for Mass Effect, which even has books circling around it? And where a whole universe is created and linked, to a few things that are a posibility in this age?

 

Mass Effect still a entertainment product produced be a developer to sell. They aren't making Picasso or Van Goth.

 

It's like saying movies are for entertainment - comedies and other mash-ups are, but film being considered more and more of an art form, why not video games?

 

I consider films, books and comedies as entertainments as well. Placing them all as "art" is an overstatement at it's best.

[CobraJM20]

Though you make some good statements. I do not agree with parts of it. Your comment on video games not being an art. That is bull, they consist of art and a great game can be a masterpiece. I am a harcore gamer and as for they choose. No they choose in terms with what people buy. If people buy crappy games they will still make them. Consumers have control they just dont choose to exercise that. And what company shall I move on too? All of them at some point have sold out what they once were to join in the general populace. I see now that gaming will never be great until it becomes the rarity. Thats when developers need to make a good game or the "Gamers" will not buy it. We know better then that. And also, family games should be for kids etc I agree with that. But I am tired of playing a game rated M. And have to hear some 8 or 13 year old kid on the other end insulting my mother or yelling into the mic because they lost. Kids need to stick to their games and leave the rest of us alone. Gaming is for the Gamers. That is how it started and that is how it should be.

[CobraJM20]

Post tried to double post. Caught it before hand.

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Here's the reason why I hate hardcore gamers so much; they sound so much like you. You really think that your so great because you can play games a little harder? You blame little kids for ruining your fun? That every single game must become art. What a load of bs. Really? The time when enterainment products become art is when a artist uses them to convey their message, that's what art is.

 

Sorry bub but someone had to burst your little bubble for you but BG is not art, Deus EX is not art, games (along with books, flims and other entertainment products) are not art. They only exist to entertain people, not for people to say "wow I love how it look, it's like art". BioWare creates games to entertain, Beth creates games to entertain, Bliz creates games to entertain, since when did they create art? In hundred years time, no one except fans will remember these titles and it wouldn't have made the impact that someone like Van Goth or Picasso did.

 

But my time here is done, you'll never see gamers unite anytime soon (unless it's a new game). What did you expect when you came to the forums and started this thread, public love? I told what you need to know and you ridiculed it like trash, I gave you the reality of it son. Hope you grow thicker skin when you do come, snarky comments are really free of charge.

[CobraJM20]

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Here's the reason why I hate hardcore gamers so much; they sound so much like you. You really think that your so great because you can play games a little harder? You blame little kids for ruining your fun? That every single game must become art. What a load of bs. Really? The time when enterainment products become art is when a artist uses them to convey their message, that's what art is.

 

Sorry bub but someone had to burst your little bubble for you but BG is not art, Deus EX is not art, games (along with books, flims and other entertainment products) are not art. They only exist to entertain people, not for people to say "wow I love how it look, it's like art". BioWare creates games to entertain, Beth creates games to entertain, Bliz creates games to entertain, since when did they create art? In hundred years time, no one except fans will remember these titles and it wouldn't have made the impact that someone like Van Goth or Picasso did.

 

But my time here is done, you'll never see gamers unite anytime soon (unless it's a new game). What did you expect when you came to the forums and started this thread, public love? I told what you need to know and you ridiculed it like trash, I gave you the reality of it son. Hope you grow thicker skin when you do come, snarky comments are really free of charge.

 

What is art but the pure expresstion created to inspire and to entertain. Van gogh* As you put it was only reconized well after his death. Movies and games are the works of art of our generation. They are what is remembered for us. Our generation is one of almost no class or intelligence for that matter. This rant was not ment to insult but as a plea of help. Games were once great and due to the over popularity of them they are sinking into the void of s***. Your attitude is not warented nor is it wanted. I have been a gamer since I was a small child and I do not plan on stopping anytime soon. I am sure that the multitude of people who play more then just one game, can agree that games are going down a path that is quite frankly just sad. We longer see the Legand of Zeldas that everyone loved. Instead we see charcters who are about as memoriable as a walmart greeter. Games that last you not even a month and having to deal with the crap from the media and the hackers. This rant was not ment to insult nor was it ment to be against one group of people. This was directed at all of us who call ourselves gamers. The people who remember what was great about gaming the memories tied with it. I never once said I blamed little kids for this. It was directed at the consumers and the companies that supply the conusmers. The media changes the games, The companies comply and create their games, and the ill-informed consumers buy the game. It is a never ending cycle that will not stop until we ourselves do.

 

What makes you say that games cant be great? Have we grown so complacent that this is what gamers have become? If you took this as an insult then I appologize. it was not ment as one. It was ment to incite and inspire people to learn more and think, a rare thing in this day and age, about what they buy and for who they buy it for. if the game is rated M do not give it to a kid. If the game has the playablity of a jalopy running over carrots, then do not buy it. Because if we do you are only permitting and allowing the companies to make more of such trash and the cycle begins all over again. I long for the old days of gaming as I am sure many do also. Dont take it as a negtivily taken rant, it was my opinions on how it is and what it should be. Just how you stated yours on how it will never be. I am trying to change things while you are allowing them to happen. So please do say what you will, just know that people like you are why gaming is dying.

[Vagrant0]

Dont be upset that they used a particular tactic, everything has it's coutnermove.

I'm going to have to voice in on this one... While it's true that everything has a countermove, almost always that countermove requires far more effort and often pre-planning in order to have any effect. These "strategies" are frowned upon not because they are simply cheap ways to abuse and win over an opponent that nearly anyone can do with marginal success, but rather because these "strategies" get used again, and again, and again, and again, and again and just make the game friggin boring just for the sake of some a**hole who feels the need to flaunt how their camp pwned you. SC1 was a perfect example of this, you could not join a game without someone trying to rush you within the first 3 minutes, and rushing constantly afterward with no variation. It's just boring. The only skill involved is in being able to click a series of buttons as fast as you can to make more units than the other guy.

[grannywils]

Just wanted to pipe up with a definition of "the arts"; one of many I found on Google:

1. Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work of nature.

 

2. a. The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty, specifically the production of the beautiful in a graphic or plastic medium.

b. The study of these activities.c. The product of these activities; human works of beauty considered as a group.

3. High quality of conception or execution, as found in works of beauty; aesthetic value

 

4. A field or category of art, such as music, ballet, or literature.

 

5. A nonscientific branch of learning; one of the liberal arts.

 

6. a. A system of principles and methods employed in the performance of a set of activities: the art of building.b. A trade or craft that applies such a system of principles and methods: the art of the

lexicographer.

7. a. Skill that is attained by study, practice, or observation: the art of the baker; the blacksmith's art.b. Skill arising from the exercise of intuitive faculties: "Self-criticism is an art not many are qualified to practice" (Joyce Carol Oates).

8. a. arts Artful devices, stratagems, and tricks.

b. Artful contrivance; cunning.

 

9. Printing Illustrative material.

 

 

Seems, to me BE, that art, as beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. However, I really just want to respond to the OP and say that I thought that was a great post, and I pretty much agree with you entirely. And once again find myselt also agreeing with Vagrant0 as well.

[Aurielius]

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Dont be upset that they used a particular tactic, everything has it's coutnermove.

 

The only game that I know that even approaches an art form is chess, simply because there is always someone out there who still thinks outside the envelope and creates a totally new approach. Having played PC games for thirty years I have yet to see an AI that is remotely as good as the human opponent. My two cents.